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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 2, 2017 12:01:59 GMT -5
PJ Dozier (mentioned-final 3), Allonzo Trier (early favorite/local prep) who is really lighting it up post injury @ Arizona....25+ last 2 games...my understanding on Crawford was that he just wanted to go away to school...Dwayne Bacon (maybe more of a SF) @ Fla. St...we've been on a lot of talented guards and just missed on a few...unfortunately, in recruiting you got to land the fish...close don't count...having said that, by having Waters come in next year and losing Pryor (hopefully not Peak), we should be a very attractive place for a highly talented 2GD because of immediate playing time and someone who can clearly get him the ball when and where he likes it... Don't think Trier type was coming and we went after Dozier and missed. The issue as has been highlighted is the lack of a back-up. Bracey types, Hart types are key. Bracey being a PG though.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 2, 2017 12:35:48 GMT -5
not having a true pg was never really a problem when III had a big that he could facilitate the offense through. right now, the team has neither. same thing last year.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 2, 2017 12:45:39 GMT -5
not having a true pg was never really a problem when III had a big that he could facilitate the offense through. right now, the team has neither. same thing last year. Which is an even bigger indictment that he's unable to identify and sign big men who can do this. In that same vein, do people think we'd be better or worse if we had Chrabasz from Butler as our primary big man? This is the kind of kid that fits the style of play and wasn't a highly touted recruit. He's not athletic, but he's skilled with a high IQ and can operate away from the hoop. And he's a solid defender. These are the kinds of kids he should be recruiting if he's going to devalue guards and insist on initiating offense with a 5 at the top of the key. Not Jessie f'n Govan
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 2, 2017 13:18:24 GMT -5
not having a true pg was never really a problem when III had a big that he could facilitate the offense through. right now, the team has neither. same thing last year. Which is an even bigger indictment that he's unable to identify and sign big men who can do this. In that same vein, do people think we'd be better or worse if we had Chrabasz from Butler as our primary big man? This is the kind of kid that fits the style of play and wasn't a highly touted recruit. He's not athletic, but he's skilled with a high IQ and can operate away from the hoop. And he's a solid defender. These are the kinds of kids he should be recruiting if he's going to devalue guards and insist on initiating offense with a 5 at the top of the key. Not Jessie f'n Govan I think the team would be better mainly due to the mobility factor, add a player like Bonzie Colson to this list as well..
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 2, 2017 13:19:55 GMT -5
Crawford was a local kid, 4 star but not swarmed by blue bloods, and a position of desperate need. And at one point he seemed pretty eager to come to GU. Just about every bullet point. Not getting Crawford was a clear sign that perceptions of JT3 on the recruiting trail were diminishing. Consider all of the above, plus he played at JT3's alma mater (Gonzaga), plus he attended the Thompson Center dedication ceremony with all of the top Hoyas hoops alumni on campus sitting next to him. For JT3 not to close the deal on Crawford, letting this kid go to a second tier ACC program, shows a lot.
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Post by practice on Mar 2, 2017 14:00:52 GMT -5
Waters is coming ... but I would have been OK with Gonzaga's Chris Lykes ...
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Post by 95hoya on Mar 2, 2017 14:05:51 GMT -5
This board loved Woods. To me he was never that good. Got hype early in his high school career, but never developed skill wise. But dunks are cool I guess.
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Post by whatrocks33 on Mar 2, 2017 14:44:40 GMT -5
People bemoan missing on Crawford, Howard at Syracuse, or Jenkins and Hart at Villanova, but it's easy to forget that they were all ranked 80-100.
On the one hand, it shows the strength of the WCAC and its ability to prepare kids to contribute right away.
But it's also important to consider that the teams we hope to compete with don't recruit exclusively at the bottom of the Top 100 in their class. A good chunk should be Top 60 and sprinkle in a Top 30 kid every now and then.
I don't expect the coaches to use the "experts" assessment as the Bible - they should have their own board - but these kids weren't glaring misses when their NLIs were faxed elsewhere.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 2, 2017 16:44:30 GMT -5
Which is an even bigger indictment that he's unable to identify and sign big men who can do this. In that same vein, do people think we'd be better or worse if we had Chrabasz from Butler as our primary big man? This is the kind of kid that fits the style of play and wasn't a highly touted recruit. He's not athletic, but he's skilled with a high IQ and can operate away from the hoop. And he's a solid defender. These are the kinds of kids he should be recruiting if he's going to devalue guards and insist on initiating offense with a 5 at the top of the key. Not Jessie f'n Govan I think the team would be better mainly due to the mobility factor, add a player like Bonzie Colson to this list as well.. Yes, exactly. Another under-the-radar type who wasn't highly touted out of HS. The coach's biggest failure has been not recruiting to the type of game he wants to play. It's why we're in the mess we've been in with a bunch of pieces that don't fit together.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 2, 2017 21:20:10 GMT -5
FWIW I spoke today with someone who is a close family friend of Jagan Mosley. He, and the Mosley family, feel that Jagan can do a lot more than he is being asked to do. Especially concerned that he is not expected (allowed?) to shoot more. Basically, they feel that Jagan, a kid who led his team to a 32-0 record and a state championship will show a lot more over the next few years.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 2, 2017 22:20:47 GMT -5
FWIW I spoke today with someone who is a close family friend of Jagan Mosley. He, and the Mosley family, feel that Jagan can do a lot more than he is being asked to do. Especially concerned that he is not expected (allowed?) to shoot more. Basically, they feel that Jagan, a kid who led his team to a 32-0 record and a state championship will show a lot more over the next few years. Mosely is someone that has baffled me based on the program he came from and the success he had there. He is a shining example of someone that has to be better then he's shown this year. I just think we are an orchestra with lots of great talent and no conductor to put it all together. We don't play to our players talents and don't put players in the best position to succeed which is a coach's job. I've said it before but throw these pieces to several other BE coaches and I'd bet a lot of money that we'd be a tournament team.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 2, 2017 22:42:19 GMT -5
FWIW I spoke today with someone who is a close family friend of Jagan Mosley. He, and the Mosley family, feel that Jagan can do a lot more than he is being asked to do. Especially concerned that he is not expected (allowed?) to shoot more. Basically, they feel that Jagan, a kid who led his team to a 32-0 record and a state championship will show a lot more over the next few years. Mosely is someone that has baffled me based on the program he came from and the success he had there. He is a shining example of someone that has to be better then he's shown this year. I just think we are an orchestra with lots of great talent and no conductor to put it all together. We don't play to our players talents and don't put players in the best position to succeed which is a coach's job. I've said it before but throw these pieces to several other BE coaches and I'd bet a lot of money that we'd be a tournament team. I read up on Jagan's HS career a lot before he signed with Gtown, he was always a defense/intangible kid 1st & foremost.. RJ Cole & Asante Gist were the main scorers on the St. Ants team last year..
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 2, 2017 22:54:22 GMT -5
The kid started and put up shots. They just were not falling. He needs to work hard on his game. I don't blame coach, as he gave Jagan a great opportunity as a Freshman.
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 2, 2017 23:30:11 GMT -5
FWIW...did you know that Jagan was Valedictorian of his HS class?...I believe he played as much or more as a SF in HS, so its not unreasonable that it would take some time for him to develop/adjust to the guard position, especially PG at this level... he's a warrior, strong and athletic, and I'm confident he'll continue to grow and get better...needs to work tirelessly on his shooting and passing, which I'm confident he will...good things ahead for Jagan...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 3, 2017 0:30:11 GMT -5
Mosely is someone that has baffled me based on the program he came from and the success he had there. He is a shining example of someone that has to be better then he's shown this year. I just think we are an orchestra with lots of great talent and no conductor to put it all together. We don't play to our players talents and don't put players in the best position to succeed which is a coach's job. I've said it before but throw these pieces to several other BE coaches and I'd bet a lot of money that we'd be a tournament team. He's also a freshman. Guys like DSR, Starks, Clark, Trawick, etc. all improved after they got some experience. I think the same thing will happen to Mosely. I mean, Mosely wasn't a top 100 recruit, like Trawick, so I think it would be unrealistic to expect him to hit the ground running as a freshman.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 3, 2017 0:33:24 GMT -5
Mosely is someone that has baffled me based on the program he came from and the success he had there. He is a shining example of someone that has to be better then he's shown this year. I just think we are an orchestra with lots of great talent and no conductor to put it all together. We don't play to our players talents and don't put players in the best position to succeed which is a coach's job. I've said it before but throw these pieces to several other BE coaches and I'd bet a lot of money that we'd be a tournament team. He's also a freshman. Guys like DSR, Starks, Clark, Trawick, etc. all improved after they got some experience. I think the same thing will happen to Mosely. I mean, Mosely wasn't a top 100 recruit, like Trawick, so I think it would be unrealistic to expect him to hit the ground running as a freshman. I wouldn't. Other programs plug freshman in and get results. We have no clue what we are doing with personnel and here we are.
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