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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 2, 2017 10:19:02 GMT -5
JTIII has been trying to get some kids the last few years. Here is how they are doing (feel free to add):
Seventh Woods avg. 9 minutes a game, 2 points, 1.5 boards, 1.4 assists, shooting 20% from 3. Bruce Brown, 32 mins, 12 points, 6 boards, 3 assists, shooting 34% from 3. Daquan Bracey, 28 mins, 9 points, 2 boards, 6 assists, shooting 33% from 3. Charlie Moore, 30 mins, 13points, 2 boards, 4 assists, shooting 36% from 3. Myles Powell, 23 mins, 10 points, 2 boards, 1 assist, 32% from 3. Curtis Jones, 11 mins, 3 points, 1 board, 1 assist, 32% from 3. Zach Norvell (redshirted?) Temple Gibbs, 15 mins, 5 points, 1.5 boards, 2 assists, 34% from 3.
Those are the ones that come to mind. I know there are guys like Dozier from the class ahead of that. Some of these guys are combo types and some are more point guards. It is impossible to draw any conclusion from this other then maybe we are generally targeting some of the right types of guys and just not closing. We also didn't offer some of these guys which I get.
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Post by the_way on Mar 2, 2017 10:28:57 GMT -5
III doesn't really put an emphasis on guards. He likes Forwards and Centers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 10:35:16 GMT -5
JTIII has been trying to get some kids the last few years. Here is how they are doing (feel free to add): Seventh Woods avg. 9 minutes a game, 2 points, 1.5 boards, 1.4 assists, shooting 20% from 3. Bruce Brown, 32 mins, 12 points, 6 boards, 3 assists, shooting 34% from 3. Daquan Bracey, 28 mins, 9 points, 2 boards, 6 assists, shooting 33% from 3. Charlie Moore, 30 mins, 13points, 2 boards, 4 assists, shooting 36% from 3. Myles Powell, 23 mins, 10 points, 2 boards, 1 assist, 32% from 3. Curtis Jones, 11 mins, 3 points, 1 board, 1 assist, 32% from 3. Zach Norvell (redshirted?) Temple Gibbs, 15 mins, 5 points, 1.5 boards, 2 assists, 34% from 3. Those are the ones that come to mind. I know there are guys like Dozier from the class ahead of that. Some of these guys are combo types and some are more point guards. It is impossible to draw any conclusion from this other then maybe we are generally targeting some of the right types of guys and just not closing. We also didn't offer some of these guys which I get. The big one for me - at the time, and now even more in retrospect - was Bryant Crawford. Last year: 13.8p, 4.4a, 3r, 35% from 3 This year: 15.4p, 5.4a, 3.9r, 35% from 3
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 2, 2017 10:35:27 GMT -5
III doesn't really put an emphasis on guards. He likes Forwards and Centers. Big difference between not emphasizing and not having on the roster..
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 2, 2017 10:45:19 GMT -5
JTIII has been trying to get some kids the last few years. Here is how they are doing (feel free to add): Seventh Woods avg. 9 minutes a game, 2 points, 1.5 boards, 1.4 assists, shooting 20% from 3. Bruce Brown, 32 mins, 12 points, 6 boards, 3 assists, shooting 34% from 3. Daquan Bracey, 28 mins, 9 points, 2 boards, 6 assists, shooting 33% from 3. Charlie Moore, 30 mins, 13points, 2 boards, 4 assists, shooting 36% from 3. Myles Powell, 23 mins, 10 points, 2 boards, 1 assist, 32% from 3. Curtis Jones, 11 mins, 3 points, 1 board, 1 assist, 32% from 3. Zach Norvell (redshirted?) Temple Gibbs, 15 mins, 5 points, 1.5 boards, 2 assists, 34% from 3. Those are the ones that come to mind. I know there are guys like Dozier from the class ahead of that. Some of these guys are combo types and some are more point guards. It is impossible to draw any conclusion from this other then maybe we are generally targeting some of the right types of guys and just not closing. We also didn't offer some of these guys which I get. The big one for me - at the time, and now even more in retrospect - was Bryant Crawford. Last year: 13.8p, 4.4a, 3r, 35% from 3 This year: 15.4p, 5.4a, 3.9r, 35% from 3 Agreed, Crawford would have been a very nice get.. Even with all the misses noted above, there were still many kids who are players that were never given a look by Gtown.. That's the real failing in my view.. Missing on top targets happens, not having suitable back up options shouldn't..
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 2, 2017 11:00:24 GMT -5
Crawford (good memory), Woods, Brown & Jones were probably the closest misses (Dozier in that class before). We fell back to Jagan who I think will be good. We really needed someone in that Sophomore class as we need more roster balance and that class is all wings & bigs.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 2, 2017 11:01:16 GMT -5
Crawford was a huge miss- team would be completely different with him.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 2, 2017 11:04:24 GMT -5
Wow, didn't realize Seventh Woods was shooting so badly. Hope he can turn it around, I always thought he had a bunch of potential.
To me: Daquan is the biggest miss in this last class. He wanted to be a Hoya and is a great distributor.
Crawford is another good point. Seems to be in the Josh Hart mold (do it all guards).
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Post by the_way on Mar 2, 2017 11:09:46 GMT -5
III doesn't really put an emphasis on guards. He likes Forwards and Centers. Big difference between not emphasizing and not having on the roster.. Not really. If it isn't a priority,the fact there aren't any capable ones on the roster this year isn't a surprise. When have we ever had an effective 3-guard rotation during the III era? Most teams in the NCAA have this. Maybe Trawick-DSR-Starks? Cook-Sapp-Wallace? (Cook recruited by Esh) Wright and.... This year.... On top of that, Wright was is the only one that has played in the NBA, no? We do have forwards in the NBA though.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 2, 2017 11:14:37 GMT -5
Big difference between not emphasizing and not having on the roster.. Not really. If it isn't a priority,the fact there aren't any capable ones on the roster this year isn't a surprise. When have we ever had an effective 3-guard rotation during the III era? Most teams in the NCAA have this. Maybe Trawick-DSR-Starks? Cook-Sapp-Wallace? (Cook recruited by Esh) Wright and.... This year.... On top of that, Wright was is the only one that has played in the NBA, no? We do have forwards in the NBA though. Wright / Freeman / Clark Those line-up are never the primary line-up though. Just an option when our bigs are in foul trouble.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 2, 2017 11:19:31 GMT -5
Big difference between not emphasizing and not having on the roster.. Not really. If it isn't a priority,the fact there aren't any capable ones on the roster this year isn't a surprise. When have we ever had an effective 3-guard rotation during the III era? Most teams in the NCAA have this. Maybe Trawick-DSR-Starks? Cook-Sapp-Wallace? (Cook recruited by Esh) Wright and.... This year.... On top of that, Wright was is the only one that has played in the NBA, no? We do have forwards in the NBA though. When you mentioned emphasizing I took that to mean their role(s) in the system, It should be the priority of every program to have capable guards in the program.. Not sure how anyone can make the case against this thought.. Wright-Freeman-Clark was a nice combination btw..
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Post by the_way on Mar 2, 2017 11:21:56 GMT -5
Not really. If it isn't a priority,the fact there aren't any capable ones on the roster this year isn't a surprise. When have we ever had an effective 3-guard rotation during the III era? Most teams in the NCAA have this. Maybe Trawick-DSR-Starks? Cook-Sapp-Wallace? (Cook recruited by Esh) Wright and.... This year.... On top of that, Wright was is the only one that has played in the NBA, no? We do have forwards in the NBA though. Wright / Freeman / Clark Those line-up are never the primary line-up though. Just an option when our bigs are in foul trouble. Right.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2017 11:24:05 GMT -5
Wright-Freeman-Clark was a nice combination btw.. Yes, that combination played a lot together and was effective. I think JT3 went away from recruiting those types after some of the March failures with the idea that he needed longer more athletic players who would be better on defense. And, that actually did happen, with 2012 and 2013 having superb defenses. The problem is that after the rules changes of 2013-2014, our defense plummeted and we began fouling way too much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 11:24:22 GMT -5
Crawford was a local kid, 4 star but not swarmed by blue bloods, and a position of desperate need. And at one point he seemed pretty eager to come to GU.
Just about every bullet point.
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Post by guru on Mar 2, 2017 11:28:15 GMT -5
Wright-Freeman-Clark was a nice combination btw.. Yes, that combination played a lot together and was effective. I think JT3 went away from recruiting those types after some of the March failures with the idea that he needed longer more athletic players who would be better on defense. And, that actually did happen, with 2012 and 2013 having superb defenses. The problem is that after the rules changes of 2013-2014, our defense plummeted and we began fouling way too much. His entire philosophy on how to build a competitive college basketball team has been an abject failure. And throw all the numbers at us you want, when you give up 54 second half points to a 15 seed in a blowout loss, you don't have a superb defense.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 2, 2017 11:34:47 GMT -5
BRACEY WAS A HUGE MISS. I POSTED THIS BEFORE! WE NEEDED A FLOOR GENERAL NOT JUST GUARDS. A TRUE FLOOR GENERAL THAT IS. WE GOT TREMONT NOW, SO THIS MAKES THIS POST IRRELEVANT.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 2, 2017 11:40:19 GMT -5
Bracey
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 2, 2017 11:41:37 GMT -5
PJ Dozier (mentioned-final 3), Allonzo Trier (early favorite/local prep) who is really lighting it up post injury @ Arizona....25+ last 2 games...my understanding on Crawford was that he just wanted to go away to school...Dwayne Bacon (maybe more of a SF) @ Fla. St...we've been on a lot of talented guards and just missed on a few...unfortunately, in recruiting you got to land the fish...close don't count...having said that, by having Waters come in next year and losing Pryor (hopefully not Peak), we should be a very attractive place for a highly talented 2GD because of immediate playing time and someone who can clearly get him the ball when and where he likes it...
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 2, 2017 11:48:46 GMT -5
Wow, didn't realize Seventh Woods was shooting so badly. Hope he can turn it around, I always thought he had a bunch of potential. To me: Daquan is the biggest miss in this last class. He wanted to be a Hoya and is a great distributor. Crawford is another good point. Seems to be in the Josh Hart mold (do it all guards). Passing on Bracey was a poor decision. We needed a PG desperately this year after having DSR play it last season. Waters would likely have come here even with Bracey, assuming he is the competitor everyone thinks he is. Bracey was not the top-rated player Water is.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2017 11:50:44 GMT -5
His entire philosophy on how to build a competitive college basketball team has been an abject failure. And throw all the numbers at us you want, when you give up 54 second half points to a 15 seed in a blowout loss, you don't have a superb defense. I agree that it seems like there hasn't really been a cogent philosophy the last few years. And no, we did not play good defense against FGCU, but that also coincided with what was arguably Porter's worst game as a Hoya. No doubt, the defense against FGCU was really bad, but our offense was even worse. We scored 0.89 points per possession, which is horrible. I mean, the FGCU game was just awful. That doesn't take away the fact that we had great defense the rest of the year. I would add that FGCU took 44 free throws, and we took 20, and we lost by 10 points. So even that year, where overall we didn't foul too much like we do now, fouling killed us.
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