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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 2, 2017 0:11:04 GMT -5
I'm just saying...maybe we underestimate the talent in the Big East--both player talent and coaching talent. Big East players, in particular and nimble and quick. They can shoot the lights out and the 3 point shot is becoming routine. JT-3's team for the last three or four years have been lacking in mobility and quickness because of size. Seen it time and time again this year where we just got beat off the dribble.
Really, what I think we need to do is go after more fleet footed guard-types who can shoot, and convert our big men into rotating post players.
Can you imagine if we did not picked up Pryor? But Pryor needs at least one or two more Pryors.
Just saying.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 2, 2017 0:52:12 GMT -5
The coaching talent in the Big East is very good, maybe the best in the country and therefore the players seem good. There is not nearly as much NBA talent as the other big conferences except maybe the Big10 this year but it's a dreadful year for them.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2017 1:03:00 GMT -5
There is good coaching talent in the Big East, but the elite coaching talent is mostly in other conferences.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 2, 2017 6:51:37 GMT -5
There is good coaching talent in the Big East, but the elite coaching talent is mostly in other conferences. Elite, or just older? Six of the ACC's coaches are 64 are older and you'd be hard pressed to name much about the younger ones. (Brad Brownell, anyone?) Tony Bennett is about the only current ACC coach with a long-term upside once the older coaches have retired. Stallings, Christian, Hamilton, and even Pastner don't move the conversation very much. |
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 2, 2017 7:14:43 GMT -5
I'm just saying...maybe we underestimate the talent in the Big East--both player talent and coaching talent. Big East players, in particular and nimble and quick. They can shoot the lights out and the 3 point shot is becoming routine. JT-3's team for the last three or four years have been lacking in mobility and quickness because of size. Seen it time and time again this year where we just got beat off the dribble. Really, what I think we need to do is go after more fleet footed guard-types who can shoot, and convert our big men into rotating post players. Can you imagine if we did not picked up Pryor? But Pryor needs at least one or two more Pryors. Just saying. Last year I definitely felt we did underestimate it. This year it seems to be a down year. The injuries have really taken their toll. I think coaching is elite: Wright, Mack, McDermott certainly are. Teams that feature quick, aggressive guard play determine the pace of play in this conference. It really dominates in BE more than any conference. That has been a big issue for our Hoyas because the Hoyas just don't do well in those match ups. I'm perhaps alone in thinking this, but I have believed that Georgetown would have been more competitive in the ACC than BE. Definitely not in top, but somewhere in middle. In that alternate universe the story would be different. (Last season, did anyone see Pitt play? They made tournament and their pace was just turgid. They would have had difficulty in our conference, no doubt). |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 2, 2017 8:29:50 GMT -5
Seven out of ten teams from the league could make the NCAAs this year. The BEAST is loaded.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 2, 2017 8:59:23 GMT -5
THe Big East has been smart in recruiting. Take guys that are more then likely four year players who will develop and can win titles. The Kentucky/Duke model is flawed in my opinion for purposes of making deep runs (and it is impossible to replicate). Josh Hart, Kris Jenkins, Bridges, Brunson, Bluiett, Macura, Fisher, Johnson, Garrett, the St. John's guards, Delgado. That is the recipe for success. Build up the pieces that will allow for continual deep runs in the tourney against possible more NBA-talent that is 18 to 19 years old and will likely wilt under the bright lights.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 2, 2017 10:28:09 GMT -5
I'm just saying...maybe we underestimate the talent in the Big East--both player talent and coaching talent. Big East players, in particular and nimble and quick. They can shoot the lights out and the 3 point shot is becoming routine. JT-3's team for the last three or four years have been lacking in mobility and quickness because of size. Seen it time and time again this year where we just got beat off the dribble. Really, what I think we need to do is go after more fleet footed guard-types who can shoot, and convert our big men into rotating post players. Can you imagine if we did not picked up Pryor? But Pryor needs at least one or two more Pryors. Just saying. Is the Big East better now or was it better in the 05/06 & 06/07 seasons? |
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 2, 2017 10:52:32 GMT -5
Seven out of ten teams from the league could make the NCAAs this year. The BEAST is loaded. Not only that but 4 of the teams should have been top 4 seeds. The injuries for Creighton and Xavier really hurt. Additionally, both the 8 and 9 teams in conference have been in the bubble discussion the past month. It might be a weak NCAA bubble, but that is still impressive. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 2, 2017 11:00:20 GMT -5
Right- the conference is loaded. Not at all like say, the Big Ten.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2017 11:56:30 GMT -5
I'm just saying...maybe we underestimate the talent in the Big East--both player talent and coaching talent. Big East players, in particular and nimble and quick. They can shoot the lights out and the 3 point shot is becoming routine. JT-3's team for the last three or four years have been lacking in mobility and quickness because of size. Seen it time and time again this year where we just got beat off the dribble. Really, what I think we need to do is go after more fleet footed guard-types who can shoot, and convert our big men into rotating post players. Can you imagine if we did not picked up Pryor? But Pryor needs at least one or two more Pryors. Just saying. Is the Big East better now or was it better in the 05/06 & 06/07 seasons? Based on KenPom's metric for this, the Big East of 2005-2006 was the best, followed by this year's Big East, and then the 2006-2007 season. |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 2, 2017 15:42:09 GMT -5
You know, everyone is jumping up and down about JT3, but at some point the games have to be played. I give Reggie Cameron a lot of credit for manning up and taking some of the responsibility for the team's lack luster performance. we have to become a better three point shooting team! In this Big East, Rodney Pryor has to be our standard when recruiting. I am not trying to take any of the heat away from Coach, either. He needs to starting kicking some furniture and letting us see some more flames coming out of his nostrils. I am not saying he has to turn into a Marquette coach, but man...
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 3, 2017 11:52:53 GMT -5
Remember when we were worried about the viability of the big east as a conference to be reckoned with? Remember only a few years ago columnists were openly speculating if our league would be able to compete with the big boys? Worry no longer, we can focus all of our worries on our program instead!
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Post by the_way on Mar 3, 2017 13:17:22 GMT -5
Remember when we were worried about the viability of the big east as a conference to be reckoned with? Remember only a few years ago columnists were openly speculating if our league would be able to compete with the big boys? Worry no longer, we can focus all of our worries on our program instead! Didn't like the new Big East at all. I actually liked the rivalries with Syracuse, UCONN, and the newer games against Louisville. Just couldn't get excited watching us compete against .....Creighton? Butler? Xavier? And no ESPN. FS1?? However, Butler had success coming into the league. Xavier has always been competitive. Nova is Nova. Being on FS1 in the beginning felt like we were off the radar Nationally. Not only are our teams good, but Nova winning the National Championship really sealed the conferences legitimacy in the eyes of pundits and outsiders across country. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 3, 2017 15:31:49 GMT -5
Remember when we were worried about the viability of the big east as a conference to be reckoned with? Remember only a few years ago columnists were openly speculating if our league would be able to compete with the big boys? Worry no longer, we can focus all of our worries on our program instead! You make an excellent point. The only reason why all of this stuff is even relevant is that the new Big East has been a success and got a good television contract with Fox Sports, a relationship that will hopefully continue even after the expiration of the current TV contract. I really think the 7 former Big East teams were extremely fortunate. The timing with Fox Sports worked nearly perfectly; it certainly did not have to happen that way. We could have easily gone the way of the A-10 or a similar league, with extremely limited TV coverage and virtually no media money. If that had happened, it's unlikely Georgetown could have stayed nationally relevant regardless of who the coach was. So far, the Big East has worked out about as good as possible in general. Yes, our performance has been lacking, but at least we have a conference where having a good team is meaningful. It could have very easily been different. |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 3, 2017 15:41:00 GMT -5
THe Big East has been smart in recruiting. Take guys that are more then likely four year players who will develop and can win titles. The Kentucky/Duke model is flawed in my opinion for purposes of making deep runs (and it is impossible to replicate). Josh Hart, Kris Jenkins, Bridges, Brunson, Bluiett, Macura, Fisher, Johnson, Garrett, the St. John's guards, Delgado. That is the recipe for success. Build up the pieces that will allow for continual deep runs in the tourney against possible more NBA-talent that is 18 to 19 years old and will likely wilt under the bright lights. I've been saying so for a long time now. |
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 3, 2017 15:44:03 GMT -5
Remember when we were worried about the viability of the big east as a conference to be reckoned with? Remember only a few years ago columnists were openly speculating if our league would be able to compete with the big boys? Worry no longer, we can focus all of our worries on our program instead! You make an excellent point. The only reason why all of this stuff is even relevant is that the new Big East has been a success and got a good television contract with Fox Sports, a relationship that will hopefully continue even after the expiration of the current TV contract. I really think the 7 former Big East teams were extremely fortunate. The timing with Fox Sports worked nearly perfectly; it certainly did not have to happen that way. We could have easily gone the way of the A-10 or a similar league, with extremely limited TV coverage and virtually no media money. If that had happened, it's unlikely Georgetown could have stayed nationally relevant regardless of who the coach was. So far, the Big East has worked out about as good as possible in general. Yes, our performance has been lacking, but at least we have a conference where having a good team is meaningful. It could have very easily been different. Yes. Very true that. But man it would be nice to be on the floor dancing with the beautiful ball and feeling like you are the life of the party. |
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Post by the_way on Mar 3, 2017 15:52:53 GMT -5
THe Big East has been smart in recruiting. Take guys that are more then likely four year players who will develop and can win titles. The Kentucky/Duke model is flawed in my opinion for purposes of making deep runs (and it is impossible to replicate). Josh Hart, Kris Jenkins, Bridges, Brunson, Bluiett, Macura, Fisher, Johnson, Garrett, the St. John's guards, Delgado. That is the recipe for success. Build up the pieces that will allow for continual deep runs in the tourney against possible more NBA-talent that is 18 to 19 years old and will likely wilt under the bright lights. I've been saying so for a long time now. Most of these teams have been doing that for a while too, including Jay Wright. |
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