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Post by guru on Jan 1, 2020 22:27:58 GMT -5
20 years in sports media as well. From columnist to producer. There’s zero chance he was taking a dig at Coach Ewing. He tell you that? Because otherwise it’s your interpretation. Like I’ve said all along it can easily be seen as such. And I lean towards athletes knowing exactly what they are doing or saying. Appreciate the resume competition, but it doesn’t take decades working in the sports industry to deduce that it’s most likely a simple statement of excitement about his new coach - and probably has nothing to do with Georgetown at all.
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 1, 2020 22:48:37 GMT -5
I find it a bit amusing that he likes Howard's coaching style when he's been coaching, what, 3 months or so...move on, get somebody better, and get somebody loyal...
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Post by zxhoya on Jan 1, 2020 23:00:34 GMT -5
Completely agree with this take. Howard has succeeded in parlaying his NBA experience while Ewing has not. To me Howard hiring Phil Martelli was key. While Orr might be a good guy, in my opinion Pat would have benefited from a better guy by his side during his tenure. So what has Howard accomplished that Ewing hasn't? He's 13 games into his 1st season and he has inherited a darn good roster at a prestigious sports University ready made to win in his 1st season. Doesn't make him a better recruiter or a better coach and no guarantee that by his 3rd season he'll be a success. I think Howard will do a good job but its yet to be seen. Ewing put in the work and recruited an impressive roster until the unthinkable happened and a series of dominoes started to fall and potentially set back his program but he built it before he can do it again. He's proven to me that he's a winner with his work ethic and his competiveness, he has my confidence and full support for whatever that's worth.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 1, 2020 23:10:47 GMT -5
Howard has succeeded in parlaying his NBA experience while Ewing has not. To me Howard hiring Phil Martelli was key. While Orr might be a good guy, in my opinion Pat would have benefited from a better guy by his side during his tenure. So what has Howard accomplished that Ewing hasn't? He's 13 games into his 1st season and he has inherited a darn good roster at a prestigious sports University ready made to win in his 1st season. Doesn't make him a better recruiter or a better coach and no guarantee that by his 3rd season he'll be a success. I think Howard will do a good job but its yet to be seen. Ewing put in the work and recruited an impressive roster until the unthinkable happened and a series of dominoes started to fall and potentially set back his program but he built it before he can do it again. He's proven to me that he's a winner with his work ethic and his competiveness, he has my confidence and full support for whatever that's worth. I would guess the answer would be a top 15 recruiting class...
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Post by junior on Jan 1, 2020 23:13:49 GMT -5
So what has Howard accomplished that Ewing hasn't? He's 13 games into his 1st season and he has inherited a darn good roster at a prestigious sports University ready made to win in his 1st season. Doesn't make him a better recruiter or a better coach and no guarantee that by his 3rd season he'll be a success. I think Howard will do a good job but its yet to be seen. Ewing put in the work and recruited an impressive roster until the unthinkable happened and a series of dominoes started to fall and potentially set back his program but he built it before he can do it again. He's proven to me that he's a winner with his work ethic and his competiveness, he has my confidence and full support for whatever that's worth. I would guess the answer would be a top 15 recruiting class...
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Post by junior on Jan 1, 2020 23:17:37 GMT -5
I would guess the answer would be a top 15 recruiting class... We will be ok and bring in true Georgetown men who will perform at high levels. Williams missed out on a great opportunity he wished he had taken. The TEAM will persevere and succeed.
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Post by zxhoya on Jan 1, 2020 23:43:33 GMT -5
I would guess the answer would be a top 15 recruiting class... Put Ewing at Michigan and he has a top 15 class, put Howard at GU and he wouldn't have anywhere near a top 15 class.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 1, 2020 23:50:30 GMT -5
He's gone...GOODBYE!!
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 1, 2020 23:58:18 GMT -5
Put Ewing at Michigan and he has a top 15 class, put Howard at GU and he wouldn't have anywhere near a top 15 class. We don't know that. At all.
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Post by IDenj on Jan 2, 2020 0:36:17 GMT -5
He tell you that? Because otherwise it’s your interpretation. Like I’ve said all along it can easily be seen as such. And I lean towards athletes knowing exactly what they are doing or saying. Appreciate the resume competition, but it doesn’t take decades working in the sports industry to deduce that it’s most likely a simple statement of excitement about his new coach - and probably has nothing to do with Georgetown at all. You are right. It could be. But since he emphasized that, and he was only looking at two schools, a players coach is what was important to him. Perhaps in his mind Pat isn’t a players coach. Hence his statement about Howard. Guess it will always be left unknown.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 2, 2020 0:36:41 GMT -5
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Post by zxhoya on Jan 2, 2020 6:28:05 GMT -5
Put Ewing at Michigan and he has a top 15 class, put Howard at GU and he wouldn't have anywhere near a top 15 class. We don't know that. At all. You're right I don't know, pure speculation on my part. I'd be curious to know the last time Michigan didn't have a top 25 recruiting class. I assume you believe that Howard would be able to recruit the same or similar class at GU, in my opinion he wouldn't but I could be wrong. Howard may turn out to be a great recruiter and coach.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 2, 2020 7:04:21 GMT -5
Appreciate the resume competition, but it doesn’t take decades working in the sports industry to deduce that it’s most likely a simple statement of excitement about his new coach - and probably has nothing to do with Georgetown at all. You are right. It could be. But since he emphasized that, and he was only looking at two schools, a players coach is what was important to him. Perhaps in his mind Pat isn’t a players coach. Hence his statement about Howard. Guess it will always be left unknown. Seems like he's a fireless below the rim player like Howard so they can probably relate to each other.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 2, 2020 7:33:24 GMT -5
Put Ewing at Michigan and he has a top 15 class, put Howard at GU and he wouldn't have anywhere near a top 15 class. Do you know how naive this sounds? Michigan has the 4th best recruiting class in the country currently (per 247). Do you know how many times in the last 6 years they even had a class inside the Top 30? 1. I'll give you the fact that Howard has yet to really accomplish anything on the court (but did beat UNC and now the #1 team in the country in Gonzaga in his first month), but to downplay his recruiting success comes across as very biased take in comparing how Howard and Ewing have transitioned from the NBA bench to the college recruiting game.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 2, 2020 7:42:09 GMT -5
We don't know that. At all. You're right I don't know, pure speculation on my part. I'd be curious to know the last time Michigan didn't have a top 25 recruiting class. I assume you believe that Howard would be able to recruit the same or similar class at GU, in my opinion he wouldn't but I could be wrong. Howard may turn out to be a great recruiter and coach. Its not true. Michigan probably hasn’t had a top 25 class in last 5 years. We were consistently getting better recruiting classes than Michigan 10 years ago. In last couple of days a number of 4 star recruits have committed to bring in the New Year, while we need 5+ players and it is pretty silent. And before I hear that GU works in mysterious ways and Pat has had a lot of “late success”,on the recruiting trail I would ask yourself whether landing players late because you needed numbers who didn’t fit the program and left within 1 year is actually “success”. Are Akinjo, Alexander and Gardner examples of late success? Pat has shown this year that he can certainly coach kids up to a high level if he has the right kids. Question to me is the basketball infrastructure around him (assistants, staff, basketball ops) to help him bring in the kids to take the program to next level. We can’t blame it on the facilities anymore.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 2, 2020 7:52:19 GMT -5
We don't know that. At all. You're right I don't know, pure speculation on my part. I'd be curious to know the last time Michigan didn't have a top 25 recruiting class. I assume you believe that Howard would be able to recruit the same or similar class at GU, in my opinion he wouldn't but I could be wrong. Howard may turn out to be a great recruiter and coach. No I don't believe that because there are too many moving parts for reasonable speculation. As a member of the Fab Five, and a pro with two rings who was playing 11 years after Patrick, it's possible Juwan's name may resonate more today (particularly in Michigan), but I simply don't know that. And there's more to recruiting than who's the head coach.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 2, 2020 8:49:22 GMT -5
Pat loves GU, but why deal with these primadonnas? He gets disrespected by players, parents and media. JT2 wouldn’t deal with it in the end. College hoops is a cesspool and many players don’t belong on a college campus. Completely agree. It would not surprise me at all for Ewing to decide he does not need to deal with his professional success being largely determined by the emotions of teenagers living in a culture of entitlement. 2.5 years of busting his butt recruiting with little to show for it both this year and into next season. We are all depressed and upset about this, imagine how Ewing feels. He doesn't need the money, and does not strike me at all as the kind of guy who needs the attention and fame that comes with being a college head coach. I would not blame him at all if he decides he has had enough some time in the next year or two. Ewing is not a quitter type at all, but does a super wealthy guy in his mid 50s want to continue to devote almost his entire life to being subject to the decisions made by a bunch of teenagers? It really would show a special commitment to Georgetown and to the coaching profession for Ewing to keep hanging in there beyond the next year or two, unless he finds an unexpectedly high level of success (e.g. a whole lot of wins) over that time period. I have no doubt that this season, and the transfers/de-commit, have been very frustrating for Coach Ewing, but I also think it is part of the learning curve of building a consistent program. In his first two years I think Ewing developed a full understanding of the type of athletes and skill sets that he was going to need to recruit to play the style he wants to play, and to have success in the Big East. I think he went out and found those types of players/athletes and hoped they would gel as a team and accept the culture he is trying to develop this season. That did not happen and it seems like some of the players did not buy in fully to those expectations and it led to the transfers and the position the program is in right now. I hope that what Coach takes from this experience is that while getting the type of athletes he wants is still very important, it is just as important to recruit the type of person who is going to accept and flourish in the culture he wants to build. That includes kids accepting the expectations he put on his players both on and off the court and finding players that want to be coached hard in order to develop. The current culture of AAU basketball breeds a lot of kids that show up feeling entitled and thinking they have already figured it all out and are not interested in any type of sacrifice of personal goals or hearing any criticism of their game. This does not mean that every 5 star kid is a prima donna and is selfish, but in some cases finding a player who fits the program might be as important as just chasing the highest rated players. It will be interesting to see what type of players the staff brings in to fit all of these open scholarships and how that group comes together as a team over the next year or so. Many of the other Big East programs seem to be flourishing recruiting kids that fit their program and culture, without always being 4 or 5 star recruits. Georgetown can and should be able to do the same thing. That doesn't mean you give up an all of the highly rated recruits, because you need talent to win, but you need to accept that not every player is a good fit for your program/school.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 2, 2020 8:55:29 GMT -5
We don't know that. At all. You're right I don't know, pure speculation on my part. I'd be curious to know the last time Michigan didn't have a top 25 recruiting class.I assume you believe that Howard would be able to recruit the same or similar class at GU, in my opinion he wouldn't but I could be wrong. Howard may turn out to be a great recruiter and coach. Here are the rankings for the last decade according to 247 Sports. Michigan hasn't been killing it the way you think... I'll preface this by saying that I'm not all in on rankings, I've stated a number of times that PE/staff has done a solid job recruiting wise but they need to do better earlier in the process... Gtown had a higher ranked class 4 of 9 years... 247sports.com/Season/2019-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings/#45 in 2010 & Gtown was #8 #29 in 2011 & Gtown was #14 #8 in 2012 & Gtown was #19 #14 in 2013 & Gtown unranked #30 in 2014 & Gtown was #8 #Unranked 2015 & Gtown was #29 #31 in 2016 & Gtown unranked #43 in 2017 & Gtown was #44 #11 in 2018 & Gtown was #31 Both schools were unranked in 2019
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Post by saxagael on Jan 2, 2020 9:20:54 GMT -5
Put Ewing at Michigan and he has a top 15 class, put Howard at GU and he wouldn't have anywhere near a top 15 class. We don't know that. At all. You are forgetting Howard joined a successful program with a solid roster and good recruiting in place. Ewing joined a program that had a depleted roster from transfers out, little recruiting book, and had not been a NCAA tourney team in years. These are about as polar as you get and very easy to have success in one and one heck of a lot of work in the other.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 2, 2020 9:25:47 GMT -5
You're right I don't know, pure speculation on my part. I'd be curious to know the last time Michigan didn't have a top 25 recruiting class. I assume you believe that Howard would be able to recruit the same or similar class at GU, in my opinion he wouldn't but I could be wrong. Howard may turn out to be a great recruiter and coach. Its not true. Michigan probably hasn’t had a top 25 class in last 5 years. We were consistently getting better recruiting classes than Michigan 10 years ago. In last couple of days a number of 4 star recruits have committed to bring in the New Year, while we need 5+ players and it is pretty silent. And before I hear that GU works in mysterious ways and Pat has had a lot of “late success”,on the recruiting trail I would ask yourself whether landing players late because you needed numbers who didn’t fit the program and left within 1 year is actually “success”. Are Akinjo, Alexander and Gardner examples of late success? Pat has shown this year that he can certainly coach kids up to a high level if he has the right kids. Question to me is the basketball infrastructure around him (assistants, staff, basketball ops) to help him bring in the kids to take the program to next level. We can’t blame it on the facilities anymore. Don't forget administration on the list...
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