vv83
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Post by vv83 on Jan 1, 2020 19:41:04 GMT -5
Pat loves GU, but why deal with these primadonnas? He gets disrespected by players, parents and media. JT2 wouldn’t deal with it in the end. College hoops is a cesspool and many players don’t belong on a college campus. Completely agree. It would not surprise me at all for Ewing to decide he does not need to deal with his professional success being largely determined by the emotions of teenagers living in a culture of entitlement. 2.5 years of busting his butt recruiting with little to show for it both this year and into next season. We are all depressed and upset about this, imagine how Ewing feels. He doesn't need the money, and does not strike me at all as the kind of guy who needs the attention and fame that comes with being a college head coach. I would not blame him at all if he decides he has had enough some time in the next year or two. Ewing is not a quitter type at all, but does a super wealthy guy in his mid 50s want to continue to devote almost his entire life to being subject to the decisions made by a bunch of teenagers? It really would show a special commitment to Georgetown and to the coaching profession for Ewing to keep hanging in there beyond the next year or two, unless he finds an unexpectedly high level of success (e.g. a whole lot of wins) over that time period.
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Jan 1, 2020 19:43:25 GMT -5
I agree with the premise but I don’t think this situation amplified the issue. Georgetown was just a placeholder and once he didn’t my sign his LOI, the writing was on the wall. He got what he wanted ... *shrug* Wish him well and move on.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 1, 2020 19:52:08 GMT -5
I not talking about Williams it’s the whole college basketball game and the way it’s run,the ncaa want do anything to Arizona or Kansas or LSU it will be the same and Hoyas will keep loosing out to teams paying these damn kids so they going to go get paid. And Hoyas will make a ncaa tournament ever3-4 years if they can keep the players from leaving ever year? That’s hard to do when if they come in and don’t start and play 35 minutes a game will quit and run somewhere else. I don’t like it the ncaa should not allow anyone to go play immediately make everyone sit 1 year no exceptions.that may slow it down some. Who knows we can’t even field a full team without 3-4 walk ons it’s crazy, who knows maybe the luck one day will change and the Hoyas can keep a full recruiting class without 1-4 of them leaving every year. My only critique of this is how are the Seton Halls, Xaviers, Butlers, and Marquettes of the world managing to put more talent out there than us?
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 1, 2020 19:58:21 GMT -5
Ewing isn't going anywhere. Basketball is his life and he finally has his dream job, HC. OK, his real dream was NBA HC. Didn't happen. But Hoya Head Man is the job he has. The last month has shown he can do this. Coach kids. Get them playing smart ball. Winning. Pat is not the type to cry, whine. He has shown his determination and achieved good results. My expectation is he will buckle down even harder. Make this team and these kids as successul as they can be. Some posters may have given up on the season. Ewing has not and he won't let the team give up either. Yurt and Mac are exceptionally talented. This team will surpirse to the upside. No one knows how far, but we can enjoy this season as much as any in quite some time. Fascinating. Dramatic. Talented. GO HOYAS!
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 1, 2020 20:06:15 GMT -5
Completely agree with this take.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Jan 1, 2020 20:07:31 GMT -5
?? Explain!
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Jan 1, 2020 20:08:25 GMT -5
Onto the next one. No shock here. Interesting quote. Takes a shot at Ewing on his way to Michigan.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Jan 1, 2020 20:23:04 GMT -5
When a girl breaks up with you, you don’t keep chasing her to win her back. Never works out. Move on. His comments about coach Howard can easily be interpreted as a shot against Pat. Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t but he should have chosen his words more carefully. This last month is the proverbial fork in the road. Sure hope Pat chooses to fight thru this and do whatever it takes to improve the program. Need more talent. Pat needs to figure out what will get him more talent into the program. Really think the staff needs 2 young, hungry local cats. No offense to the assistants, but bottom line is bottom line. Program isn’t moving forward. Either toss out all the staff or make changes to the coaches.
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 1, 2020 20:42:37 GMT -5
Pat loves GU, but why deal with these primadonnas? He gets disrespected by players, parents and media. JT2 wouldn’t deal with it in the end. College hoops is a cesspool and many players don’t belong on a college campus. Completely agree. It would not surprise me at all for Ewing to decide he does not need to deal with his professional success being largely determined by the emotions of teenagers living in a culture of entitlement. 2.5 years of busting his butt recruiting with little to show for it both this year and into next season. We are all depressed and upset about this, imagine how Ewing feels. He doesn't need the money, and does not strike me at all as the kind of guy who needs the attention and fame that comes with being a college head coach. I would not blame him at all if he decides he has had enough some time in the next year or two. Ewing is not a quitter type at all, but does a super wealthy guy in his mid 50s want to continue to devote almost his entire life to being subject to the decisions made by a bunch of teenagers? It really would show a special commitment to Georgetown and to the coaching profession for Ewing to keep hanging in there beyond the next year or two, unless he finds an unexpectedly high level of success (e.g. a whole lot of wins) over that time period. I don't see this at all--if you're busting your butt and not getting the results you want, the right thing to do is step back and re-assess why you're not getting those results and make the appropriate corrections. What did guys like Jay Wright and Tony Bennett figure out that we haven't? Or Juwan Howard for that matter? If you're really committed to being successful and not just paying lip service to it, that's the move. Otherwise, you're Chris Mullin. I don't see Patrick throwing in the towel on it--if he does, we hired the wrong guy and he's not who we thought he was. But there's nothing about his character that would make me think that'd happen. It isn't surprising given that it's what typically happens when a recruit is lost, but I think this thread is a bit unfairly anti-Williams. He's 17 and changed his mind. Especially in an era where player movement is more prevalent then ever, this kind of thing happens. And there's no way that quote was a "shot" at Coach Ewing. He's just trying to say good things about his new coach, and I'm sure it never crossed his 17 year old mind that it might be interpreted as a dig at someone else. Only the jilted would read it that way. I agree with @bracketville's assessment that we need a staff shake-up of some kind. There's no sugar-coating that our local recruiting is not good, and I honestly don't see it turning around in 2021 with kids like Keels and Allen either. Our brand equity is awful with kids in the area. Remember when we had moderate success in the early JTIII years and kids like Freeman, Wright, Clark and Braswell (Chris, not Kevin) were lining up to matriculate from their WCAC schools? It feels like ages ago, even though the WCAC puts out several high major talents every year. Meanwhile, Patrick is hopping around the country chatting up kids like Chet Holmgren or Paolo Banchero or Michael Foster who we don't have a snowball's chance in hell of landing. Can't knock the effort, but the strategy could be better, and so could the staffs connections IMHO. These are the types of things that are within our power and that we need to be taking a long look at. Nobody who pays attention could knock Patrick's effort on the recruiting trail--he's been all over the place. But there's more to recruiting than just showing up and telling a kid we want him, and I'm not convinced that we're excelling in those areas. Some changes are needed.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Jan 1, 2020 20:59:47 GMT -5
Disagree with the notion it wasn’t a shot at Pat. He verballed Georgetown and then backed off. I don’t have a problem with that; it’s his life and he’s entitled to make his decision based on what’s best for him. But he stepped back from the program he committed to and chose another. Absolutely it’s a dig at Georgetown when he said he wants a players coach. He could have easily said not that Pat wasn’t but he didn’t. And since he was down to Georgetown and Michigan, and he chose Michigan, it’s not a stretch to say he chose one program ( partly ) over the over because of his own comments. Or like I mentioned previously he should have chosen his words more carefully. You can say he’s only 17, but kids nowadays grow up with social media and know exactly what to say.
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Jan 1, 2020 21:07:35 GMT -5
There’s zero chance that kid was thinking of a way to take a shot at Coach Ewing.
Zero.
Y’all need to stop looking for ways to be offended.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 1, 2020 21:10:23 GMT -5
An unfortunate quote by the kid. Maybe he was close to the 4 who left. In any event I hope he gets what he wants. Hard to be too critical of the decision to go elsewhere, as he was never part of the program and Ewing is currently recruiting a kid leaving USC and the two leaving Maryland. It's the world of college basketball today. I've heard he was friendly with Akinjo. Wouldn't surprise me if true.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Jan 1, 2020 21:12:41 GMT -5
I’m not offended or jilted. 20 years of working in sports media, I know when an athlete is trying to make a statement. That can very easily be interpreted as a dig on a coach that doesn’t possess those attributes, in his opinion.
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Post by deacon on Jan 1, 2020 21:19:15 GMT -5
I’m not offended or jilted. 20 years of working in sports media, I know when an athlete is trying to make a statement. That can very easily be interpreted as a dig on a coach that doesn’t possess those attributes, in his opinion. 20 years in sports media as well. From columnist to producer. There’s zero chance he was taking a dig at Coach Ewing.
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Post by RBHoya on Jan 1, 2020 21:25:35 GMT -5
Disagree with the notion it wasn’t a shot at Pat. He verballed Georgetown and then backed off. I don’t have a problem with that; it’s his life and he’s entitled to make his decision based on what’s best for him. But he stepped back from the program he committed to and chose another. Absolutely it’s a dig at Georgetown when he said he wants a players coach. He could have easily said not that Pat wasn’t but he didn’t. And since he was down to Georgetown and Michigan, and he chose Michigan, it’s not a stretch to say he chose one program ( partly ) over the over because of his own comments. Or like I mentioned previously he should have chosen his words more carefully. You can say he’s only 17, but kids nowadays grow up with social media and know exactly what to say. I think it's all lip service. You could just as easily read it as saying that Patrick was the second most "player-oriented" of all the coaches who recruited him, given that we were basically first runner-up in his recruitment. I don't think Patrick really has that reputation (the "Do you practice that shot?!?" meme still lingers) but if we take him at his word, why would he have committed to Georgetown or kept us in the running if he really wanted a player's coach and we weren't it? It'd be more of a dig at the schools who recruited him and didn't get a sniff. Bottom line, I think he just got an offer that he viewed as better and more prestigious. He can't say that to a reporter, but that's what it comes down to. Perception of Michigan under Jawan is much higher to the common fan than perception of Georgetown under Ewing right now, and that's why he hesitated and eventually flipped; but if he's that honest then it IS perceived as a shot at Georgetown. So instead he's listing perceived strengths of the coach he committed to--nothing to do with anyone he didn't commit to. No one is reading his quotes and comparing Michigan to anyone who wasn't picked other than people like us who weren't picked.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Jan 1, 2020 21:29:45 GMT -5
I’m not offended or jilted. 20 years of working in sports media, I know when an athlete is trying to make a statement. That can very easily be interpreted as a dig on a coach that doesn’t possess those attributes, in his opinion. 20 years in sports media as well. From columnist to producer. There’s zero chance he was taking a dig at Coach Ewing. He tell you that? Because otherwise it’s your interpretation. Like I’ve said all along it can easily be seen as such. And I lean towards athletes knowing exactly what they are doing or saying.
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Post by wponds on Jan 1, 2020 21:33:53 GMT -5
Not surprised in his decision, but still hurts. Third full recruiting cycle for Pat and there's not much to show for it at this point. I'm not blaming Coach, it's just frustrating how everything has worked out. We need some talent
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 1, 2020 21:39:28 GMT -5
ESPN guy framed it that way in his tweet by including the GU bit at the end.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 1, 2020 21:45:31 GMT -5
Completely agree with this take. Howard has succeeded in parlaying his NBA experience while Ewing has not. To me Howard hiring Phil Martelli was key. While Orr might be a good guy, in my opinion Pat would have benefited from a better guy by his side during his tenure.
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Post by guru on Jan 1, 2020 22:21:01 GMT -5
Onto the next one. No shock here. Interesting quote. Takes a shot at Ewing on his way to Michigan. Amazing how this poster bubbles up to the surface at the slightest hint of negative news - with a predictably hyperbolic negative take. You must have a ton of fun following this team, pal-o-mine.
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