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Post by SSHoya on Feb 21, 2017 13:58:21 GMT -5
I think it breaks 4,000. I'm sure that the Athletic Dept. is sponsoring some major givaeway simply to devalue the price I pay for my season tickets in order to fill seats. . . $15 for 100-level and a t shirt! Ugh!
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Post by guru on Feb 21, 2017 14:21:17 GMT -5
Sorry, but it's a lot more talented than 14-13. Top 5 is absurd (unless the poster meant top 5 of the conference), but this is a team that should have been ranked in the top 25 the entire season. It's an utter failure of leadership that we are barely .500 (and perhaps not even that at end of season) for the second straight season. Put a better coach (heck, even a good coach) in charge of a team with Peak, Pryor and Govan and we have five more wins this season, at least. Those players may not be the most complementary (again, whose fault is that?) but they are undeniably talented and should have this team in a much better position. Obviously there's no way to disprove your hypothetical, but I think it's probably over-optimistic for the following reasons. Pryor and Peak are already having good seasons, and Govan has been pretty good too. Really, I just think our other guys are not good enough. Yes, a different coach might put on different schemes, etc. (and I think the defensive difference would actually be larger than offense, potentially), but the players are still the same. I mean look at our team. Aside from Pryor (41.7%) and Govan (43.3%), nobody else is shooting threes at a good rate. Derrickson is at 37%, and everyone else is below 35%. Would another coach magically come in and make these guys better? Maybe but I really doubt it. Now, I know your response will be, "Well, JT3 recruited these guys!" and I agree, he did, and I think that's a fair criticism, though not the point of our discussion. But, this is a team that should have been ranked in the top 25 all season? That's absurd. We aren't even close to playing that well. We basically have two good offensive players (Pryor and Peak), and a few that are good but not great (Govan, Derrickson), and then everyone is simply isn't good including the point guards and our role players (Kaleb, Cameron, etc.) I mean, look at a team like Creighton towards the bottom of the top 20: they have seven players with offensive efficiency over 110. We have three (and if Derrickson continues on his recent path, we will be at two really soon)! Or look at Xavier - they have 5 guys with offensive efficiency over 110. Or Wichita State, ranked 25th, which has seven players over 110 offensive efficiency. Or Butler, which has 6 players over 110. Obviously, this is one offensive stat, and there are many other factors but it is a clear way of simply showing that of the teams that have been hovering around the bottom of the top 25, nearly all of them have a lot better offensive players than we have. And, I find it hard to believe that a different coach would suddenly drastically turn our 3 good offensive players into 6+ good offensive players. As I said, it's fair to criticize JT3 for recruiting them, but for the purposes of this discussion, it's really not relevant. It's only absurd to think this team should be top 25 (i.e. a 5-7 NCAA tourney seed) if you think our awful coach is getting all he can out of this roster. And if you think that, I'm not sure what team you're watching. This is a very down year across the board for college basketball. The Georgetown roster - as chaotically and haphazardly as it was constructed - has enough talent to comfortably make the ncaas. The fact that it has been coached to a 14-13 record for the second straight season is nothing short of coaching malpractice.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 21, 2017 15:13:08 GMT -5
I think it breaks 4,000. I'm sure that the Athletic Dept. is sponsoring some major givaeway simply to devalue the price I pay for my season tickets in order to fill seats. . . From a GU tweet: "Tomorrow night is High School Night at @georgetownhoops! All HS students and staff can request up to two (2) free tickets to the game!" Great promotion for an otherwise empty arena! Speaks volumes of the terrible state of the program! It will be louder if we cannot give away enough tickets to fill the lower bowl. SS, do you coach HS bball?
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 21, 2017 15:32:17 GMT -5
I think it breaks 4,000. I'm sure that the Athletic Dept. is sponsoring some major givaeway simply to devalue the price I pay for my season tickets in order to fill seats. . . From a GU tweet: "Tomorrow night is High School Night at @georgetownhoops! All HS students and staff can request up to two (2) free tickets to the game!" Great promotion for an otherwise empty arena! Speaks volumes of the terrible state of the program! It will be louder if we cannot give away enough tickets to fill the lower bowl. SS, do you coach HS bball? I wish. But I did play point guard on my JV HS team! Ha ha ha.
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Post by DallasHoya on Feb 21, 2017 15:52:30 GMT -5
$15 for 100-level and a t shirt! Ugh! We had all of 2,152 people in Miami for the LaSalle game, so that's got to be the lowest in a long time. And I'm sure there were a lot comp'ed tickets in that total.
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Post by guru on Feb 22, 2017 10:41:47 GMT -5
Hypothetical: If a home loss to a one-win DePaul team rips open the dysfunction of this program and lays it bare to the larger college hoops world, would that be a good thing for the long-term outlook of Georgetown basketball?
Of course, I am not rooting for a loss, but a win tonight accomplishes very little. The remaining holdouts who don't acknowledge the deep problems within this program would have a hard time talking around a home loss to DePaul in an empty arena. Just food for thought. And it stinks that IMO it has come to this.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 22, 2017 10:57:14 GMT -5
Gee, the wording of your question would almost seem to suggest the answer.
And given your dozens of posts calling JTIII "terrible", "horrible", "clueless", "pathetic", etc. - I find it kind of hard to believe that you are not, in fact, rooting for that very thing.
I doubt that loss would affect the administration's mindset. At this point I acknowledge those who are certain he will be here next year. It is awfully hard to argue that his early success outweighs the stark underperformance in 3 of the last 4 years, but that won't control the decision.
If things don't change next year, the clamoring for improvement may finally be too loud and constant for even the administration to ignore.
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Post by guru on Feb 22, 2017 11:21:38 GMT -5
Gee, the wording of your question would almost seem to suggest the answer. And given your dozens of posts calling JTIII "terrible", "horrible", "clueless", "pathetic", etc. - I find it kind of hard to believe that you are not, in fact, rooting for that very thing. I doubt that loss would affect the administration's mindset. At this point I acknowledge those who are certain he will be here next year. It is awfully hard to argue that his early success outweighs the stark underperformance in 3 of the last 4 years, but that won't control the decision. If things don't change next year, the clamoring for improvement may finally be too loud and constant for even the administration to ignore. Believe what you want. I'm not rooting for us to lose to DePaul. But it's very clear that the thud with which we hit rock bottom will need to be seismic to force any sort of change in leadership. What you don't get or remember is that I was a diehard JT3 defender for many years. It gives me no pleasure to advocate for this change, but I can't watch this team flounder much longer. It's past the point of sadness.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 22, 2017 11:43:14 GMT -5
I don't disagree that the program has fallen to a mind-boggling depth.
And I will take you at your word. I was just thinking of some of your venomous references about the coach. Then again, our performance the last two seasons has left a pretty bitter taste for almost all of us.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 22, 2017 11:59:41 GMT -5
I'm fascinated to see how the team competes tonight. There is still a sliver of hope for the NCAA Tournament, so you'd think they'd be playing hard. But that sliver is getting smaller and smaller, and playing in front of what will be a dismal crowd, it will be interesting to watch.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 22, 2017 12:02:44 GMT -5
If we play with any fight, we win this game going away. Depaul does not see us as an exciting match-up or a good win. They will not give us their best punch, and as a result, if we can just jump on them from the start, I would expect a meaningless blowout. As usual, if the opposite happens, it will be a struggle all game and a confidence killer.
Guru is right though, winning this game does not mean anything, however I do not think losing a conference game (even to Depaul) will change the administration's thinking about III either.
So we might as well win, and I hope we can look good doing it. Out rebound, out hustle, play with some precision and energy. Gain confidence for the games that lie ahead.
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Post by guru on Feb 22, 2017 12:08:51 GMT -5
I don't disagree that the program has fallen to a mind-boggling depth. And I will take you at your word. I was just thinking of some of your venomous references about the coach. Then again, our performance the last two seasons has left a pretty bitter taste for almost all of us. Venomous, perhaps. But honest, and not unwarranted or undeserved. It has been a disastrous two seasons.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 22, 2017 13:00:38 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 22, 2017 15:17:58 GMT -5
The Key is lacrosse is still largely a regional partial scholarship sport that nobody really cares about outside of MD, NY and a few other pockets across the country. BBall everybody cares about and it generates revenue. Gotta win the next three. No excuses and then see if we can catch Nova on an off day.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 22, 2017 15:46:42 GMT -5
Hoyas 13.5 point favorites tonight, seems like a lot for a 9th place vs. 10th place game.
Anybody know if Hayes is planning to play?
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 22, 2017 16:11:59 GMT -5
Sorry but this team isn't top 5 talent. People keep being delusional about our "talent" level. Talent is meaningless without any skills. Sorry, but it's a lot more talented than 14-13. Top 5 is absurd (unless the poster meant top 5 of the conference), but this is a team that should have been ranked in the top 25 the entire season. It's an utter failure of leadership that we are barely .500 (and perhaps not even that at end of season) for the second straight season. Put a better coach (heck, even a good coach) in charge of a team with Peak, Pryor and Govan and we have five more wins this season, at least. Those players may not be the most complementary (again, whose fault is that?) but they are undeniably talented and should have this team in a much better position. How can anyone read a reference to "top 5 talent and bottom 5 results" and jump to any conclusion other than within the Big East? Do they name a bottom five in the nation at season's end? I am not delusional about our talent; I understand we are playing wo a PG, with a 5th-year senior who wants to polish his resume in hopes of landing an NBA career and without a single decent defensive player who doesn't look utterly lost on the offensive end. I also see a lot of mutts on rosters at Butler, Creighton and Seton Hall. The personnel isn't great. But by far the biggest problem is on the sidelines.
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Post by guru on Feb 22, 2017 16:42:49 GMT -5
Sorry, but it's a lot more talented than 14-13. Top 5 is absurd (unless the poster meant top 5 of the conference), but this is a team that should have been ranked in the top 25 the entire season. It's an utter failure of leadership that we are barely .500 (and perhaps not even that at end of season) for the second straight season. Put a better coach (heck, even a good coach) in charge of a team with Peak, Pryor and Govan and we have five more wins this season, at least. Those players may not be the most complementary (again, whose fault is that?) but they are undeniably talented and should have this team in a much better position. How can anyone read a reference to "top 5 talent and bottom 5 results" and jump to any conclusion other than within the Big East? Do they name a bottom five in the nation at season's end? I am not delusional about our talent; I understand we are playing wo a PG, with a 5th-year senior who wants to polish his resume in hopes of landing an NBA career and without a single decent defensive player who doesn't look utterly lost on the offensive end. I also see a lot of mutts on rosters at Butler, Creighton and Seton Hall. The personnel isn't great. But by far the biggest problem is on the sidelines. I figured you meant conference - 2003's response that this team doesn't have top 5 talent WITHIN THIS CONFERENCE threw me. My goodness does he go to great lengths to blame this team's deficiencies on our players. The talent on this roster is clearly among the top half of this league. Our downfall is 80/20 the fault of our coach.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 22, 2017 18:35:29 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Feb 22, 2017 18:47:52 GMT -5
Will Marcus and Mulmore contribute more than the 0 points they had vs Creighton? A truly unbelievable stat! Plus only 3 rbs for MD in 22 mins.?
Trey couldn't have been worse than MD. That's rock bottom. There must be a master plan...
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 22, 2017 18:54:48 GMT -5
Hope the local fans that attend are loud tonight...the players deserve it
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