smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 4, 2017 15:05:51 GMT -5
Pryor killed us today. He can't, cannot, have such a lack of awareness that he takes the ball on that key possession. He has to know this is Peak's team and that's Peak's ball. Just disgracefully stupid, and he was properly chastised by fate with that bridal bouquet toss with the game on the line.
And as our 3-point sniper, he was most responsible (1-8) for our 3-point futility (1-20).
That one isn't on JT3; there's not much you can do when your team makes 5 jump shots in 45 minutes.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 4, 2017 17:38:54 GMT -5
I would rather have Pryor shooting it and Peak driving to the hoop. Play to their strengths. Pryor is streaky. If we had a PG, it would help during crunch time.
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emkmd
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Post by emkmd on Feb 5, 2017 8:06:25 GMT -5
Maybe not the best decision by Pryor, but he was clearly fouled on the play. The outside defender pulled his left arm. Not that this changed the outcome or that I expect the ref to make that call, just that he looked much more out of control because of the foul.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Feb 5, 2017 8:16:28 GMT -5
For all of the discussion about who should have taken the final shot, what is missing is discussion about the lack of defense--again--by the Hoyas on the other end during the final minutes of the game and overtime. Other than Agau with some very nice blocks, the Pirates got into the lane at will and had very close in shots. Our perimeter players have been unable all year to keep opposing guards from getting penetration for either the dish or the shot.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 5, 2017 8:44:19 GMT -5
Easy to single out Pryor because he should know his limitations (and for the record, I want LJ Peak driving the lane or Pryor shooting off a down screen in that end game situation).
However, if either he or his teammates had:
1. made 1 of the 2 footers they missed during the game,
2. made 1 more 3 pointer (1 - 19, seriously?),
3. laid a body on Delgado to prevent one offensive rebound and putback
then this thread doesn't exist.
Seton Hall made a concerted effort to put 2 guys on Pryor. Most of his 3-point shot attempts were contested - the one he made he popped out off a screen and went up perfectly in rhythm. I don't expect or want him to stop shooting. He does need to have better realization of when he's open and when to move the ball.
Also for the record, 'disgracefully stupid' is over the top. Bad basketball IQ / awareness, sure. Disgraceful? Awfully harsh coming from an armchair aimed at a college student.
On Edit: to be clear, this post represents my own opinion, not that of me as the moderator. Just wanted to that to be crystal clear.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 5, 2017 9:01:41 GMT -5
What Dan said. I would add that, if LJ and Akoy made their free throws as reliably as they usually do, this thread wouldn't exist.
I really thought the defense during overtime was good enough to limit Seton Hall to four points; Seton Hall's was better, though. I suppose I would blame the offense. Hoyas were slow to attack the basket, allowing SHU to get set. It seemed they were playing to limit possessions, and I don't think that gives them the best chance.
The officiating was definitely a factor. There were several possessions where I wondered why the refs didn't call fouls on SHU and send our guys to the line. I didn't feel it was a particularly unfair game though. In the end, it was about making shots. And, particularly during the first half, the Hoyas got easy looks and didn't convert. They simply left way too many points on the floor.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 6, 2017 8:25:07 GMT -5
Pryor should not have made that move- but as someone else noted above, there is no real question that he was fouled. That play is a foul 80-90% of the time in college basketball today. So, there is an argument that when you and your team cannot hit the broad side of a barn, you drive and try to get a whistle. There is no legitimate argument that the drive in question was atrocious in the manner that this hyperbolic thread makes it out to be. Not a great decision- sure. Horrible, awful, take-him-out-and-shoot-him: NO.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 6, 2017 9:44:29 GMT -5
Pryor killed us today. He can't, cannot, have such a lack of awareness that he takes the ball on that key possession. He has to know this is Peak's team and that's Peak's ball. Just disgracefully stupid, and he was properly chastised by fate with that bridal bouquet toss with the game on the line. And as our 3-point sniper, he was most responsible (1-8) for our 3-point futility (1-20). That one isn't on JT3; there's not much you can do when your team makes 5 jump shots in 45 minutes. This is when the ball belongs in your coach on the court (point guard's) hands. Not just L. J. but yes, I rather he be on the ball than Pryor.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 6, 2017 9:47:27 GMT -5
Pryor should not have made that move- but as someone else noted above, there is no real question that he was fouled. That play is a foul 80-90% of the time in college basketball today. So, there is an argument that when you and your team cannot hit the broad side of a barn, you drive and try to get a whistle. There is no legitimate argument that the drive in question was atrocious in the manner that this hyperbolic thread makes it out to be. Not a great decision- sure. Horrible, awful, take-him-out-and-shoot-him: NO. Put the ball in point guard's hands. It his/her decision making and responsibility to make a smart tough play.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 6, 2017 11:11:14 GMT -5
Sorry, but in an end of game situation, I want Peak having the ball in his hands and making the decision on what to do; if not Peak, then Pryor, as they are our two best offensive players. If we had a good point guard, I might agree, but we don't.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Feb 7, 2017 16:04:39 GMT -5
Sorry, but in an end of game situation, I want Peak having the ball in his hands and making the decision on what to do; if not Peak, then Pryor, as they are our two best offensive players. If we had a good point guard, I might agree, but we don't. Totally agree. Peak needs to be the first option followed by Pryor. Drive to the hoop, score or get fouled and then a second option would be a kickout if absolutely needed.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Feb 7, 2017 16:22:28 GMT -5
Sorry, but in an end of game situation, I want Peak having the ball in his hands and making the decision on what to do; if not Peak, then Pryor, as they are our two best offensive players. If we had a good point guard, I might agree, but we don't. Totally agree. Peak needs to be the first option followed by Pryor. Drive to the hoop, score or get fouled and then a second option would be a kickout if absolutely needed. SO HOW THE HELL DID THE BALL WIND UP IN MOSLEY'S HANDS AT THE END OF THE MARYLAND GAME?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 7, 2017 16:32:46 GMT -5
Totally agree. Peak needs to be the first option followed by Pryor. Drive to the hoop, score or get fouled and then a second option would be a kickout if absolutely needed. SO HOW THE HELL DID THE BALL WIND UP IN MOSLEY'S HANDS AT THE END OF THE MARYLAND GAME? Because Copeland passed it to him, if I recall that sequence.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 7, 2017 17:28:46 GMT -5
Mosely also was the starting PG in that game and he did what he should have done with little to no time left: he drove to the hoop.
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