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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 23, 2017 23:50:38 GMT -5
Maybe we need to bring Kenya Hunter back to coach our bigs. He was the big man coach for Green, Hibbert, Monroe, and Otto. But he wasn't a great recruiter, correct? Assistants usually fall in one of two categories: coach or recruiter. Supposedly Broadus was the strong recruiter, and when he left recruiting slipped. Things were supposed to get better when he came back. Kirby was able to get Porter for the brief time he was here. Correct, I was being facetious. He was an assistant when we pulled some of our recruits that were supposed to be "shooters", he obviously got the most out of the guys he coached but you need to be solid at both at this level. I am interested to see how the current assistants to with more time but it's gotta be tough.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 24, 2017 21:49:58 GMT -5
I was looking at my 2016-2017 Hoya game program. Mosley was NJ Player of the Year and in his senior year led his team to a 32-0 record and a state championship. Tre Campbell was first team all WCAC. Mulmore was the leading JUCO scorer last year averaging 26 ppg. Okay so maybe they aren't NBA caliber but they gotta be better than what we've seen so far. I'm watching Nova beat Marquette. Brunson is a monster compared to our guards and the rookie DiVincenzo looks like he's played in the BE for years. I gotta believe that the NJ player of the year, playing in a different offense has to be able to show much more than he shows in ours. And Campbell. Really? This is what made him WCAC first team guard?
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Post by 95hoya on Jan 24, 2017 22:45:33 GMT -5
Those honors really don't mean a thing. It's not like those guys were highly rated recruits. Jalen Brunson was a 5 star.
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Post by the_way on Jan 25, 2017 8:45:19 GMT -5
I was looking at my 2016-2017 Hoya game program. Mosley was NJ Player of the Year and in his senior year led his team to a 32-0 record and a state championship. Tre Campbell was first team all WCAC. Mulmore was the leading JUCO scorer last year averaging 26 ppg. Okay so maybe they aren't NBA caliber but they gotta be better than what we've seen so far. I'm watching Nova beat Marquette. Brunson is a monster compared to our guards and the rookie DiVincenzo looks like he's played in the BE for years. I gotta believe that the NJ player of the year, playing in a different offense has to be able to show much more than he shows in ours. And Campbell. Really? This is what made him WCAC first team guard? You have to look at the competition they played. How they looked when they competed against other top-flight prospects. Some great college players don't make good NBA players. The same rings true for good high school players that don't make good college players at a major program. Some guys play center at their school at 6'4". That is big transition from center in high school to guard in college. That goes into your evaluation of a high school player. How do their skills project at the next level and within your program.
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 25, 2017 10:02:48 GMT -5
I believe that our new Asst Coach Soloman was the lead recruiter for Waters, but for some reason nobody mentions it, and yet he may be our most important/impactful recruit in years because he is a top flight point guard...this to me is a very good sign of his recruiting ability...keep it up, Coach Slo!
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 25, 2017 10:33:54 GMT -5
I believe that our new Asst Coach Soloman was the lead recruiter for Waters, but for some reason nobody mentions it, and yet he may be our most important/impactful recruit in years because he is a top flight point guard...this to me is a very good sign of his recruiting ability...keep it up, Coach Slo! Who is Coach Solomon on now?
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Post by drquigley on Jan 25, 2017 11:26:35 GMT -5
I was looking at my 2016-2017 Hoya game program. Mosley was NJ Player of the Year and in his senior year led his team to a 32-0 record and a state championship. Tre Campbell was first team all WCAC. Mulmore was the leading JUCO scorer last year averaging 26 ppg. Okay so maybe they aren't NBA caliber but they gotta be better than what we've seen so far. I'm watching Nova beat Marquette. Brunson is a monster compared to our guards and the rookie DiVincenzo looks like he's played in the BE for years. I gotta believe that the NJ player of the year, playing in a different offense has to be able to show much more than he shows in ours. And Campbell. Really? This is what made him WCAC first team guard? You have to look at the competition they played. How they looked when they competed against other top-flight prospects. Some great college players don't make good NBA players. The same rings true for good high school players that don't make good college players at a major program. Some guys play center at their school at 6'4". That is big transition from center in high school to guard in college. That goes into your evaluation of a high school player. How do their skills project at the next level and within your program. Hey I agree but even still I would expect more from a guy who led his team to a 32-0 record and NJ state championship than what we are seeing. I go to a lot of local (south central Pa) high school games and have seen some pretty good players who never make an impact on their D1 college. But I talked to guys who saw Mosley play in HS and they all expected more from him. BTW, am I a jinx or what? No sooner do I post about how Nova is killing Marquette than they blow a 17 point lead and my man Brunson misses a layup at the end.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Jan 25, 2017 17:49:53 GMT -5
Mosley is playing better.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 25, 2017 22:59:52 GMT -5
You have to look at the competition they played. How they looked when they competed against other top-flight prospects. Some great college players don't make good NBA players. The same rings true for good high school players that don't make good college players at a major program. Some guys play center at their school at 6'4". That is big transition from center in high school to guard in college. That goes into your evaluation of a high school player. How do their skills project at the next level and within your program. Hey I agree but even still I would expect more from a guy who led his team to a 32-0 record and NJ state championship than what we are seeing. I go to a lot of local (south central Pa) high school games and have seen some pretty good players who never make an impact on their D1 college. But I talked to guys who saw Mosley play in HS and they all expected more from him. BTW, am I a jinx or what? No sooner do I post about how Nova is killing Marquette than they blow a 17 point lead and my man Brunson misses a layup at the end. Even some of the best HS players have trouble adjusting to the college game. Only the 1% of Freshman are truely college ready and the .01% are truely NBA/One and done ready. Jagan has been solid in his adjustment. He's willing to do the dirty work, has maintained his compusure, and shown flashes of leadership to be developed. You really can't ask from more from freshman unless they are that elite few that are well on their way to the next level.
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 25, 2017 23:03:15 GMT -5
Hey I agree but even still I would expect more from a guy who led his team to a 32-0 record and NJ state championship than what we are seeing. I go to a lot of local (south central Pa) high school games and have seen some pretty good players who never make an impact on their D1 college. But I talked to guys who saw Mosley play in HS and they all expected more from him. BTW, am I a jinx or what? No sooner do I post about how Nova is killing Marquette than they blow a 17 point lead and my man Brunson misses a layup at the end. Even some of the best HS players have trouble adjusting to the college game. Only the 1% of Freshman are truely college ready and the .01% are truely NBA/One and done ready. Jagan has been solid in his adjustment. He's willing to do the dirty work, has maintained his compusure, and shown flashes of leadership to be developed. You really can't ask from more from freshman unless they are that elite few that are well on their way to the next level. At least we have Waters next year who can walk across the Potomac upon arrival so now worries.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 25, 2017 23:10:58 GMT -5
Even some of the best HS players have trouble adjusting to the college game. Only the 1% of Freshman are truely college ready and the .01% are truely NBA/One and done ready. Jagan has been solid in his adjustment. He's willing to do the dirty work, has maintained his compusure, and shown flashes of leadership to be developed. You really can't ask from more from freshman unless they are that elite few that are well on their way to the next level. At least we have Waters next year who can walk across the Potomac upon arrival so now worries. Funny! He's no AI but he gives this team a dimension that is nearly mandatory to be successful in current college basketball: a PG that can beat their man 1 on 1 off the dribble. You do that and everything opens up. The defending big is then forced to rotate; getting him fouls, your PG shots, or assists. Even if they can get the second rotation, it causes chaos. You've seen our defense against solid PGs that can win 1 on 1, it chaotic and we give up shots or fouls. I certainly don't even except a Watson type impact but if he can have a year like Jagan, I'll continue to be optimistic about the future. *I've also heard throughout his recruitment that if he were 3-4 inches taller, he'd be a 5* player. He has the skills, just not the size for the NBA. A backcourt of Waters, Jagan, Mosely is pretty good...plus they'll have a SR Tre (which could be good or bad, depending on his play and your opinion). If we're depending on Waters to totally carry the team, it means more failures of off-season development.
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 25, 2017 23:16:19 GMT -5
At least we have Waters next year who can walk across the Potomac upon arrival so now worries. Funny! He's no AI but he gives this team a dimension that is nearly mandatory to be successful in current college basketball: a PG that can beat their man 1 on 1 off the dribble. You do that and everything opens up. The defending big is then forced to rotate; getting him fouls, your PG shots, or assists. Even if they can get the second rotation, it causes chaos. You've seen our defense against solid PGs that can win 1 on 1, it chaotic and we give up shots or fouls. I certainly don't even except a Watson type impact but if he can have a year like Jagan, I'll continue to be optimistic about the future. *I've also heard throughout his recruitment that if he were 3-4 inches taller, he'd be a 5* player. He has the skills, just not the size for the NBA. A backcourt of Waters, Jagan, Mosely is pretty good...plus they'll have a SR Tre (which could be good or bad, depending on his play and your opinion). If we're depending on Waters to totally carry the team, it means more failures of off-season development. Only question is can he do what you say at this level and with this staff directing this offense? The optimists on recruits on this board have been wrong for many years now.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 25, 2017 23:21:30 GMT -5
Funny! He's no AI but he gives this team a dimension that is nearly mandatory to be successful in current college basketball: a PG that can beat their man 1 on 1 off the dribble. You do that and everything opens up. The defending big is then forced to rotate; getting him fouls, your PG shots, or assists. Even if they can get the second rotation, it causes chaos. You've seen our defense against solid PGs that can win 1 on 1, it chaotic and we give up shots or fouls. I certainly don't even except a Watson type impact but if he can have a year like Jagan, I'll continue to be optimistic about the future. *I've also heard throughout his recruitment that if he were 3-4 inches taller, he'd be a 5* player. He has the skills, just not the size for the NBA. A backcourt of Waters, Jagan, Mosely is pretty good...plus they'll have a SR Tre (which could be good or bad, depending on his play and your opinion). If we're depending on Waters to totally carry the team, it means more failures of off-season development. Only question is can he do what you say at this level and with this staff directing this offense? The optimists on recruits on this board have been wrong for many years now. Not sure, I'm happy to enjoy this season then wait and see him on the court. Personally, I think he can. 3 will get more comfortable with the changes he has made to his coaching, Coach Slo will have more time with the players to help implement a guard heavy mentality. I typically try not to input on recruits because I don't watch their full games. I don't expect Waters to have a POY type year but it'll be a type of player that we haven't seen under JT3 except for SR year Wright .
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Post by 95hoya on Jan 25, 2017 23:46:28 GMT -5
I'm sorry, if Waters doesn't have a better freshman season than Mosley, that will be considered a massive dissappointment. Not worried because he will.
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 25, 2017 23:50:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry, if Waters doesn't have a better freshman season than Mosley, that will be considered a massive dissappointment. Not worried because he will. Who's Mosely? Having a better year than him isn't the answer for the program. This new guy is going to need to be an all-timer based on the build up and what's going to be here to support him.
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Post by lastmanstandig on Jan 26, 2017 4:05:57 GMT -5
www.casualhoya.com/2017/1/22/14353004/what-happened-to-georgetowns-nba-talentThese recent Georgetown teams may not include any future NBA players. Beyond anything else about the program's downturn, that might be the biggest culprit of all. Some of that falls on those on the court. The real question for those in charge of the program now starving simply for postseason play is how much falls on the man buying the groceries and cooking the meal.My issue with Standig's take on NBA players is that most of the players weren't NBA locks when they arrived on campus.. Actually, I kind of did note that... "Not all great college basketball players land a job in the world's top professional basketball league. Arizona's Miles Simon was named Most Outstanding Player of the 1997 Final Four and played only five games in the NBA. Luke Hancock took MOP honors in 2013 after Louisville cut down the nets, but never played a second in the NBA. Same so far for D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera and Freeman, both players in the JT3 era and two of the top 10 all-scorers in program history. "Furthermore, not all the future NBAers were studs from the start with the Hoyas. Hibbert, inherited by JT3 along with Green, famously entered Georgetown a truly raw prospect. Sims didn't truly make a consistent impact for the Hoyas until his senior season."
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 26, 2017 7:56:07 GMT -5
www.casualhoya.com/2017/1/22/14353004/what-happened-to-georgetowns-nba-talentThese recent Georgetown teams may not include any future NBA players. Beyond anything else about the program's downturn, that might be the biggest culprit of all. Some of that falls on those on the court. The real question for those in charge of the program now starving simply for postseason play is how much falls on the man buying the groceries and cooking the meal.My issue with Standig's take on NBA players is that most of the players weren't NBA locks when they arrived on campus.. Actually, I kind of did note that... "Not all great college basketball players land a job in the world's top professional basketball league. Arizona's Miles Simon was named Most Outstanding Player of the 1997 Final Four and played only five games in the NBA. Luke Hancock took MOP honors in 2013 after Louisville cut down the nets, but never played a second in the NBA. Same so far for D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera and Freeman, both players in the JT3 era and two of the top 10 all-scorers in program history. "Furthermore, not all the future NBAers were studs from the start with the Hoyas. Hibbert, inherited by JT3 along with Green, famously entered Georgetown a truly raw prospect. Sims didn't truly make a consistent impact for the Hoyas until his senior season." Got it, I stand corrected..
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Post by calhoya on Jan 26, 2017 8:30:16 GMT -5
This team is in desperate need of kids who can shoot from the perimeter. Going into next season, it looks like MD and Peak present the only real outside threats. A penetrating PG is of less value if there is no one who can score on the kick-out.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 27, 2017 9:44:01 GMT -5
I'm sorry, if Waters doesn't have a better freshman season than Mosley, that will be considered a massive dissappointment. Not worried because he will. Who's Mosely? Having a better year than him isn't the answer for the program. This new guy is going to need to be an all-timer based on the build up and what's going to be here to support him. Yawn...
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 27, 2017 10:05:07 GMT -5
This team is in desperate need of kids who can shoot from the perimeter. Going into next season, it looks like MD and Peak present the only real outside threats. A penetrating PG is of less value if there is no one who can score on the kick-out. Todays' college game is based around three point shooters and explosive athletes. That needs to be the focus of Hoya recruiting going forward. Sounds like Waters might be both and Walker is supposed to be an explosive athlete. The days of the fundamentally sound, slow, plodding big guys has come and gone. You need guys who can run and jump and take their defenders off the dribble and guys who can shoot 3's!!! Hopefully the staff can go find some of these guys
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