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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 5, 2017 12:25:46 GMT -5
Priorities, in order, spoken from the top: "These are the three commitments we ask you to make when you accept the responsibility for this program: You accept the challenge of coaching in a university that places the highest priority on the academic performance of our students. We do not meet our mission if each of these young men do not perform to the best of their abilities in the classroom. You accept the challenge of setting the highest possible moral standards in the execution of our mission. And you accept the challenge of ensuring that our young men are prepared to go out on the court and win basketball games." Jack DeGioia, April 11, 2003 Doesn't answer the question. I believe the question was somewhat rhetorical, since none of us (to my knowledge anyway) speaks for the AD or the university. DFW's citation of DeGioa's comments is about the best answer available, at least for now.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 5, 2017 12:39:05 GMT -5
He's had one good year! One! And he didn't even make the NCAAT that year. This is his sixth year as a head coach. I give him (and all coaches) a pass their first few years, but he had losing records in all three. He had a pretty good year two years ago, and a good one last year. But so far this year, he's 2-2 in his league. That's the guy who leads us to the promised land! Of course his players stay for the duration...how many NEC or MAAC players leave early?!? Gotta another suggestion on potential hires? I'd like to hear it 'cause the likes of Tony Bennett, Steve Alford, and Wayne Tinkle aren't coming to a Georgetown in its present condition. BTW, the King Rice thing will be visited again at the end of the season. Nope. I don't. Anyone we end up with will either be (1) a major college assistant with limited or no head coaching experience (take your pick here); (2) a coach of a mid-major or low-major program that has had some success (a la King Rice or, forgive me, JTIII upon his hiring); or (3) a major-college head-coaching re-tread. All come with incredible uncertainty. That's the challenge. If the year spirals out of control, the risks are mitigated by the fact that we would be close to rock bottom. But it's still important to understand the risks.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jan 5, 2017 12:57:50 GMT -5
What's a bigger priority for Georgetown and the AD. A successful national basketball program or keeping the Thompsons happy and an influential component of the program? Priorities, in order, spoken from the top: "These are the three commitments we ask you to make when you accept the responsibility for this program: You accept the challenge of coaching in a university that places the highest priority on the academic performance of our students. We do not meet our mission if each of these young men do not perform to the best of their abilities in the classroom. You accept the challenge of setting the highest possible moral standards in the execution of our mission. And you accept the challenge of ensuring that our young men are prepared to go out on the court and win basketball games." Jack DeGioia, April 11, 2003 Jack DeGoia reaffirmed those priorities in his statement of support at the end of last season. We must acknowledge the difficulties of receiving the first two of these goals, but without winning basketball Georgetown is not the model program it aspires to be. I have been a supporter of the coach because we cannot take the fulfillment of the first of these three goals for granted. And, I believe that he needs to be given a chance to turn the program around. After all, he was largely successful through the 2013 season. And, he deserves alot of credit for helping some largely unheralded players get into the league. It is difficult to watch the bipolar nature of our fan base. When they win, we are high on their talent. When they lose, we are angry and target the coach. During the course of the season, I never get too high or too low. While I always believed JT3 to have his share of shortcomings (even after the 2007 season), I have believed that he brought out the best in his players. Whereas at the end of last season I felt pretty confident that JT3 would turn things around, I am now having significant doubts. Last night's game was demoralizing. With greater intensity, it is easy to imagine a win. If the team paid attention to detail, they would have won. There are definitely problems with roster construction and some really disappointing and confounding performance regressions (looking at Bradley). I think the players need to hold themselves accountable, but there are some red flags that the coach is not enabling success. I don't know about the timing of timeouts that so many on this board harp on, but end of game situations have been a real problem this season. (UM, X, and now Provy). It is then not difficult to imagine that he is doing things privately that subvert his goals of creating a team that plays well together. As a fan, I will support the program and recognize that the season is still not over and there is a chance that the Hoyas can reverse course. And, if JT3 returns next season, I will definitely root for him and a turnaround. But I am no longer optimistic and will no longer defend the coach. This level of play is unacceptable. Having said that, I recognize the difficult position Jack DeGoia is in. He needs to act deliberately to try to prevent the program from tearing apart. For that reason, I would expect JT3 to get another season. And I don't feel the (understandable) urgency that many of you do. My fan loyalty has always been about the program. I have loved the way that this program has used its platform to raise issues about black men and education. I want whoever takes on this program to continue that tradition. But, we are reaching the limits to what we can accept and I do expect DeGoia to hold the coach accountable. As a fan, I will remain open that JT3 can turn this around. He deserves that as long as he is the coach. I have just lost confidence. This is not easy for me to acknowledge. I am not angry at anyone, but my heart is breaking.
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Post by bankshot53 on Jan 5, 2017 13:27:58 GMT -5
Wow, most impressive statement!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 5, 2017 13:48:50 GMT -5
I think JTIII is a proud enough man to know when to go. If he feels he cannot coach a team capable of competing in the Big East, he will step down. Until then I will support him.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jan 5, 2017 13:52:55 GMT -5
I think JTIII is a proud enough man to know when to go. If he feels he cannot coach a team capable of competing in the Big East, he will step down. Until then I will support him. In my heart of hearts, I believe this as well.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 5, 2017 14:00:57 GMT -5
Piggy-backing on 2003's observation on a lack of talent on this team, I see a team that is extremely slow-footed, particularly our bigs. Applies to Govan, Hayes but also to Derrickson. We have also a lack of athleticism on the team. Who would we call really athletic? To my eye the most athletic are Agau and Campbell. Pryor is close. Peak has some parts of being athletic but often plays out of control as exemplified by the inordinate number of times he ends up on the floor after a made or missed drive and layup. I fear we will lose him on one of these.
On the other hand we have a nucleus of guys who can shoot: Pryor, Derrickson, Peak, Govan. But others who can't: Mulmore, Mosely, Johnson, Cameron, Campbell.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 5, 2017 14:50:03 GMT -5
Johnson can shoot. He just can't shoot free throws.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 5, 2017 14:55:55 GMT -5
Piggy-backing on 2003's observation on a lack of talent on this team, I see a team that is extremely slow-footed, particularly our bigs. Applies to Govan, Hayes but also to Derrickson. We have also a lack of athleticism on the team. Who would we call really athletic? To my eye the most athletic are Agau and Campbell. Pryor is close. Peak has some parts of being athletic but often plays out of control as exemplified by the inordinate number of times he ends up on the floor after a made or missed drive and layup. I fear we will lose him on one of these. On the other hand we have a nucleus of guys who can shoot: Pryor, Derrickson, Peak, Govan. But others who can't: Mulmore, Mosely, Johnson, Cameron, Campbell. My feelings exactly. And the real question is how was this not obvious when you scouted them? Knowing we desperately needed a great guard is Mosley the best we could get? And how did Mulmore average 26 ppg? Did anyone watch him play 2 or more games in JUCO? And Campbell, what did our recruiters see in him that we haven't? Last year I went to a Scotland Preparatory Academy game in Scotland Pa. Bitter cold February night. Must have been 30 people in the stands. But one of them was Mark Price, UNC Charlotte coach. Does JT3 ever actually watch some of his prized recruits play in high school before offering them scholarships?
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Post by Filo on Jan 5, 2017 15:11:33 GMT -5
Piggy-backing on 2003's observation on a lack of talent on this team, I see a team that is extremely slow-footed, particularly our bigs. Applies to Govan, Hayes but also to Derrickson. We have also a lack of athleticism on the team. Who would we call really athletic? To my eye the most athletic are Agau and Campbell. Pryor is close. Peak has some parts of being athletic but often plays out of control as exemplified by the inordinate number of times he ends up on the floor after a made or missed drive and layup. I fear we will lose him on one of these. On the other hand we have a nucleus of guys who can shoot: Pryor, Derrickson, Peak, Govan. But others who can't: Mulmore, Mosely, Johnson, Cameron, Campbell. My feelings exactly. And the real question is how was this not obvious when you scouted them? Knowing we desperately needed a great guard is Mosley the best we could get? And how did Mulmore average 26 ppg? Did anyone watch him play 2 or more games in JUCO? And Campbell, what did our recruiters see in him that we haven't? Last year I went to a Scotland Preparatory Academy game in Scotland Pa. Bitter cold February night. Must have been 30 people in the stands. But one of them was Mark Price, UNC Charlotte coach. Does JT3 ever actually watch some of his prized recruits play in high school before offering them scholarships? This is where the discussion starts to slide to the absurd. You can argue that JTIII is going after the wrong recruits, or doesn't know how to evaluate talent, or any number of things, but questioning his effort is just plain ludicrous. So much to criticize JTIII for, but his work ethic is not one of them. The guy works his tail off on the recruiting circuit.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 5, 2017 15:17:55 GMT -5
Piggy-backing on 2003's observation on a lack of talent on this team, I see a team that is extremely slow-footed, particularly our bigs. Applies to Govan, Hayes but also to Derrickson. We have also a lack of athleticism on the team. Who would we call really athletic? To my eye the most athletic are Agau and Campbell. Pryor is close. Peak has some parts of being athletic but often plays out of control as exemplified by the inordinate number of times he ends up on the floor after a made or missed drive and layup. I fear we will lose him on one of these. On the other hand we have a nucleus of guys who can shoot: Pryor, Derrickson, Peak, Govan. But others who can't: Mulmore, Mosely, Johnson, Cameron, Campbell. My feelings exactly. And the real question is how was this not obvious when you scouted them? Knowing we desperately needed a great guard is Mosley the best we could get? And how did Mulmore average 26 ppg? Did anyone watch him play 2 or more games in JUCO? And Campbell, what did our recruiters see in him that we haven't? Last year I went to a Scotland Preparatory Academy game in Scotland Pa. Bitter cold February night. Must have been 30 people in the stands. But one of them was Mark Price, UNC Charlotte coach. Does JT3 ever actually watch some of his prized recruits play in high school before offering them scholarships? Yeah this is unwarranted piling on. There have been dozens of posts, as well as similar numbers of tweets, about JTIII showing up at a game or some other event to watch a recruiting target. As for Moseley - we had many higher targets that we missed on. Sometimes that happens, especially with our perceived lack of reputation for getting PG's to the NBA.
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Post by This Just In on Jan 5, 2017 15:40:15 GMT -5
Piggy-backing on 2003's observation on a lack of talent on this team, I see a team that is extremely slow-footed, particularly our bigs. Applies to Govan, Hayes but also to Derrickson. We have also a lack of athleticism on the team. Who would we call really athletic? To my eye the most athletic are Agau and Campbell. Pryor is close. Peak has some parts of being athletic but often plays out of control as exemplified by the inordinate number of times he ends up on the floor after a made or missed drive and layup. I fear we will lose him on one of these. On the other hand we have a nucleus of guys who can shoot: Pryor, Derrickson, Peak, Govan. But others who can't: Mulmore, Mosely, Johnson, Cameron, Campbell. My feelings exactly. And the real question is how was this not obvious when you scouted them? Knowing we desperately needed a great guard is Mosley the best we could get? And how did Mulmore average 26 ppg? Did anyone watch him play 2 or more games in JUCO? And Campbell, what did our recruiters see in him that we haven't? Last year I went to a Scotland Preparatory Academy game in Scotland Pa. Bitter cold February night. Must have been 30 people in the stands. But one of them was Mark Price, UNC Charlotte coach. Does JT3 ever actually watch some of his prized recruits play in high school before offering them scholarships? I can only tell you that Tre had a lot of hype on the recruiting board behind him. Below are a couple of quotes: Tre is the most important of the '14 recruiting class. If Tre can run the show we can be special next year.tre he will be the starter at point from day 1.he will be a star at Georgetown,watch and see he is athletic and has speed.and a clutch player.he will be the best out of the recruiting class coming in.If the coaching staff felt the same way as these poster comments above then that is how you can end up taking Tre Campbell over Melo Trimble
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Post by michaeldm9 on Jan 5, 2017 16:11:58 GMT -5
More of a Joke than Rumor. Sorry!
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 5, 2017 16:42:17 GMT -5
Johnson can shoot. He just can't shoot free throws. If he can shoot, but can't shoot free throws. . .he really can't shoot.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 5, 2017 17:20:22 GMT -5
Me, for one. I think III has EARNED massive job security. As I have said many times before- he ought to have through the end of the 2020 season- meaning if the rest of the years between now and then look like 2016 and onward, perhaps the administration should consider a change at that point. Until then, to me, he has earned PLENTY of rope and patience from the school, which ought to be very pleased to have him. You have to be kidding. Have to be. Not at all. When I say that I support the program and staff, I mean it. I believe there is although too much turnover in college sports and am glad Georgetown is not part of that problem. Stay the course and stick by your man.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 5, 2017 19:06:21 GMT -5
My feelings exactly. And the real question is how was this not obvious when you scouted them? Knowing we desperately needed a great guard is Mosley the best we could get? And how did Mulmore average 26 ppg? Did anyone watch him play 2 or more games in JUCO? And Campbell, what did our recruiters see in him that we haven't? Last year I went to a Scotland Preparatory Academy game in Scotland Pa. Bitter cold February night. Must have been 30 people in the stands. But one of them was Mark Price, UNC Charlotte coach. Does JT3 ever actually watch some of his prized recruits play in high school before offering them scholarships? This is where the discussion starts to slide to the absurd. You can argue that JTIII is going after the wrong recruits, or doesn't know how to evaluate talent, or any number of things, but questioning his effort is just plain ludicrous. So much to criticize JTIII for, but his work ethic is not one of them. The guy works his tail off on the recruiting circuit. Maybe the question then becomes does the staff work smart enough on the recruiting trail? I'll be honest in saying I don't think the staff grinds nearly as hard as they should on the recruiting trail, I've stated this point numerous times on the recruiting board.. A few days ago in the 2017 recruiting thread a poster asked this question "Are there any 2017s that we can confirm Hoyas actually are recruiting?" That question still hasn't gotten a single response..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 5, 2017 19:06:34 GMT -5
If the coaching staff felt the same way as these poster comments above then that is how you can end up taking Tre Campbell over Melo Trimble People definitely oversell recruits all the time. I remember one guy saying Tre Campbell would be in the NBA after a year or two (to be fair he had a pretty good freshman season, actually). Obviously, this is a lot of exaggeration and optimism, but that's part of being a fan. That said, I think we need to stop this idea that we had pick of the litter, and could have easily chosen Trimble over Campbell. Now, I do not profess to know recruiting super well, but this same debate has occurred in the past, and I know Yaboy (who does follow recruiting) has made it pretty clear that Trimble did not have significant interest in the Hoyas. Sometimes, you're just not going to get a kid - no matter what - if they want to go elsewhere. So, I don't really care about Trimble. Now, if you were talking about the staff passing on Josh Hart, that's a whole other story. Clearly, we botched that one.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 5, 2017 19:15:54 GMT -5
I have to say that that game the other night was hard to take. I am convinced that you have to build a team in order to compete in this league. You can't patch a team together. And you have to be strong at virtually every position. I don't know how much more of this I can take. Maybe Derrickson has woken up. I hope so. But man o man our defense was awful.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 5, 2017 19:21:47 GMT -5
I think JTIII is a proud enough man to know when to go. If he feels he cannot coach a team capable of competing in the Big East, he will step down. Until then I will support him. He is coaching that team right now.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 5, 2017 21:30:51 GMT -5
My feelings exactly. And the real question is how was this not obvious when you scouted them? Knowing we desperately needed a great guard is Mosley the best we could get? And how did Mulmore average 26 ppg? Did anyone watch him play 2 or more games in JUCO? And Campbell, what did our recruiters see in him that we haven't? Last year I went to a Scotland Preparatory Academy game in Scotland Pa. Bitter cold February night. Must have been 30 people in the stands. But one of them was Mark Price, UNC Charlotte coach. Does JT3 ever actually watch some of his prized recruits play in high school before offering them scholarships? This is where the discussion starts to slide to the absurd. You can argue that JTIII is going after the wrong recruits, or doesn't know how to evaluate talent, or any number of things, but questioning his effort is just plain ludicrous. So much to criticize JTIII for, but his work ethic is not one of them. The guy works his tail off on the recruiting circuit. Okay. I apologize. The knock on JT3 was born of frustration. But 4 years of Nate Lubick and Mikael Hopkins and now 2 years of Jesse Govan leave me scratching my head. Whatever happened to "Big Man U"? Whatever happened to dominating the paint and Hoya "meanery"?
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