Cuse board about the rivalry and move to ACC...

[eagle54]

syracusefan.com/threads/is-this-rivalry-going-to-survive.112068/

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Lol and you over there in another thread saying how Ike leaving means we're sure to lose and this will be an easy game for them. SMH. Best part is the Cuse fans who don't realize you're a hoya fan and are like nah. Ike isn't a big loss for them and this won't be an easy game.

[FrazierFanatic]

It worked for LaSalle, hopefully eagle's "reverse karma" strategy comes through again.

[SSHoya]

Dec 13, 2016 12:02:18 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

It worked for LaSalle, hopefully eagle's "reverse karma" strategy comes through again.

Isn't that "charma"?

[HometownHoya]

Dec 12, 2016 23:31:28 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

syracusefan.com/threads/is-this-rivalry-going-to-survive.112068/

Looks like you got called for being a Golden Hoya, better make a new username quick or your fall back attack won't hold much weight anymore.

[prhoya]

Dec 13, 2016 12:11:50 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

Dec 12, 2016 23:31:28 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

syracusefan.com/threads/is-this-rivalry-going-to-survive.112068/

Looks like you got called for being a Golden Hoya, better make a new username quick or your fall back attack won't hold much weight anymore.

That is precious. I had never read that board. They're not happy with their current team.

Eagle, you have him where you want him. Pounce. Deliver your message. You go, you eagle, you!

[eagle54]

Dec 13, 2016 12:11:50 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

Dec 12, 2016 23:31:28 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

syracusefan.com/threads/is-this-rivalry-going-to-survive.112068/

Looks like you got called for being a Golden Hoya, better make a new username quick or your fall back attack won't hold much weight anymore.

Actually he called me Golden Hoya.  I think that has a ring to it.  Maybe I change my name to Golden Hoya and if that's taken Golden Hoya54.  

[drquigley]

Read the Syracuse thread. Hate to say it but I think they are right. We are just a spot in their rear view mirror. Anyone born after 1980 could care less about the GU rivalry. Going forward they have Duke, UNC and UVA. We have Nova and Last time Verizon rocked was the final BE Syracuse game. Don't get me wrong, I like the new BE and feel we can compete with ACC. But going forward I doubt if I will ever see Verizon like it did in the old BE games against Syracuse, UCONN, Pitt, and Louisville.

[seaweed]

Dec 13, 2016 16:46:30 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Read the Syracuse thread. Hate to say it but I think they are right. We are just a spot in their rear view mirror. Anyone born after 1980 could care less about the GU rivalry. Going forward they have Duke, UNC and UVA. We have Nova and Last time Verizon rocked was the final BE Syracuse game. Don't get me wrong, I like the new BE and feel we can compete with ACC. But going forward I doubt if I will ever see Verizon like it did in the old BE games against Syracuse, UCONN, Pitt, and Louisville.

They are not even a blip on the radars of UVa, UNC and Duke. Those teams look right past the 'cuse game on their schedules and focus on the meaningful ACC teams - themselves.

[FrazierFanatic]

Dec 13, 2016 12:08:20 GMT -5 SSHoya said:

Dec 13, 2016 12:02:18 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

It worked for LaSalle, hopefully eagle's "reverse karma" strategy comes through again.

Isn't that "charma"?

Bravo!

[njhoya78]

I note that eagle54 took down the Orange basketball program's longterm prospects at about 1:30 pm today, and nary an opposing post has appeared in response since then.

Well done, eagle. Well done.

[drquigley]

Dec 13, 2016 16:54:30 GMT -5 seaweed said:

Dec 13, 2016 16:46:30 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Read the Syracuse thread. Hate to say it but I think they are right. We are just a spot in their rear view mirror. Anyone born after 1980 could care less about the GU rivalry. Going forward they have Duke, UNC and UVA. We have Nova and Last time Verizon rocked was the final BE Syracuse game. Don't get me wrong, I like the new BE and feel we can compete with ACC. But going forward I doubt if I will ever see Verizon like it did in the old BE games against Syracuse, UCONN, Pitt, and Louisville.

They are not even a blip on the radars of UVa, UNC and Duke. Those teams look right past the 'cuse game on their schedules and focus on the meaningful ACC teams - themselves.

But the point is when we re trying to fill Verizon with Creighton, Xavier, Butler, St. John's they are packing the Carrier Dome against Duke, Carolina, UVA. Sadly, what you get from reading the Syracuse thread is he realization that we needed those BE rivals a lot more than they needed us.

[eagle54]

Dec 13, 2016 21:06:40 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Dec 13, 2016 16:54:30 GMT -5 seaweed said:

They are not even a blip on the radars of UVa, UNC and Duke. Those teams look right past the 'cuse game on their schedules and focus on the meaningful ACC teams - themselves.

But the point is when we re trying to fill Verizon with Creighton, Xavier, Butler, St. John's they are packing the Carrier Dome against Duke, Carolina, UVA. Sadly, what you get from reading the Syracuse thread is he realization that we needed those BE rivals a lot more than they needed us.

Disagree Dr. They are in fear more than us as they sold their souls for college football. Our problem is we haven't been good or relevant for too long. If we could get back to competitive in our own conference the fans will come.

I do think not having rivals like Syracuse hurts us but hurts them just as much. That basketball program will fall like BC did before them. Their "new" rivals don't care about Syracuse anymore than they care about Florida State, Clemson or Pitt. I think ND and louisville might be only old BE schools that don't have big negative impact.

It's a Yankees Red Sox Conference with their top two that ESPN hypes and then a bunch of teams that don't compete. MD was a loss for them from a CBB perspective.

We need to get back to a top 25 program that can make the tournament consistently and actually do something in March. I know many here think that's not important but I don't think the base believes in our program to make any noise even if we could get a tournament bid.

[Hoyaholic]

Dec 13, 2016 21:06:40 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Dec 13, 2016 16:54:30 GMT -5 seaweed said:

They are not even a blip on the radars of UVa, UNC and Duke. Those teams look right past the 'cuse game on their schedules and focus on the meaningful ACC teams - themselves.

But the point is when we re trying to fill Verizon with Creighton, Xavier, Butler, St. John's they are packing the Carrier Dome against Duke, Carolina, UVA. Sadly, what you get from reading the Syracuse thread is he realization that we needed those BE rivals a lot more than they needed us.

Unfortunately for Syracuse, with 15 teams in the ACC, they are only going to be seeing Duke & UNC in the Dome every other year, if they are lucky and remain a contender in the league.

[drquigley]

Dec 13, 2016 21:26:15 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

Dec 13, 2016 21:06:40 GMT -5 drquigley said:

But the point is when we re trying to fill Verizon with Creighton, Xavier, Butler, St. John's they are packing the Carrier Dome against Duke, Carolina, UVA. Sadly, what you get from reading the Syracuse thread is he realization that we needed those BE rivals a lot more than they needed us.

Unfortunately for Syracuse, with 15 teams in the ACC, they are only going to be seeing Duke & UNC in the Dome every other year, if they are lucky and remain a contender in the league.

Good points. Didn't realize they weren't playing Duke and UNC home and home. I think if we and St. John's could be top ten teams again we might get a little of the old BE vibe back.. But we will never have the Verizon Center rock again like we did against Cuse, UCONN, Pitt, and Louisville.

[tashoya]

Dec 13, 2016 21:19:38 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

Dec 13, 2016 21:06:40 GMT -5 drquigley said:

But the point is when we re trying to fill Verizon with Creighton, Xavier, Butler, St. John's they are packing the Carrier Dome against Duke, Carolina, UVA. Sadly, what you get from reading the Syracuse thread is he realization that we needed those BE rivals a lot more than they needed us.

Disagree Dr. They are in fear more than us as they sold their souls for college football. Our problem is we haven't been good or relevant for too long. If we could get back to competitive in our own conference the fans will come.

I do think not having rivals like Syracuse hurts us but hurts them just as much. That basketball program will fall like BC did before them. Their "new" rivals don't care about Syracuse anymore than they care about Florida State, Clemson or Pitt. I think ND and louisville might be only old BE schools that don't have big negative impact.

It's a Yankees Red Sox Conference with their top two that ESPN hypes and then a bunch of teams that don't compete. MD was a loss for them from a CBB perspective.

We need to get back to a top 25 program that can make the tournament consistently and actually do something in March. I know many here think that's not important but I don't think the base believes in our program to make any noise even if we could get a tournament bid.

This makes sense to me. Whether or not it comes to fruition, we'll have to wait to see. But it seems much more likely than the opposite scenario where Cuse becomes a perennial contender in the ACC. Add to the mix Boeheim's impending retirement, and I think they're much more BC than UVA (much less Carolina or Duke). Their ceiling in that league is the red-headed step child with a great sense of humor. Fun once in awhile but, most of the time, not so much (no shade meant toward the gingers. I can't tan either .

[Hoyaholic]

Dec 13, 2016 22:12:07 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Dec 13, 2016 21:19:38 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

Disagree Dr. They are in fear more than us as they sold their souls for college football. Our problem is we haven't been good or relevant for too long. If we could get back to competitive in our own conference the fans will come.

I do think not having rivals like Syracuse hurts us but hurts them just as much. That basketball program will fall like BC did before them. Their "new" rivals don't care about Syracuse anymore than they care about Florida State, Clemson or Pitt. I think ND and louisville might be only old BE schools that don't have big negative impact.

It's a Yankees Red Sox Conference with their top two that ESPN hypes and then a bunch of teams that don't compete. MD was a loss for them from a CBB perspective.

We need to get back to a top 25 program that can make the tournament consistently and actually do something in March. I know many here think that's not important but I don't think the base believes in our program to make any noise even if we could get a tournament bid.

This makes sense to me. Whether or not it comes to fruition, we'll have to wait to see. But it seems much more likely than the opposite scenario where Cuse becomes a perennial contender in the ACC. Add to the mix Boeheim's impending retirement, and I think they're much more BC than UVA (much less Carolina or Duke). Their ceiling in that league is the red-headed step child with a great sense of humor. Fun once in awhile but, most of the time, not so much (no shade meant toward the gingers. I can't tan either .

Syracuse has absolutely no chance of becoming BC. Hell, DePaul is several steps up from BC. That said, Syracuse has greater institutional and community support for its program than all but a few universities in the nation, and they will be transitioning to a coach that has been in the program for nearly 30 years, and yet at 46 is still young for a HC - he is actually 4 years younger than JTII. Last year's record under Hopkins notwithstanding, they have handled the succession plan from a long-time, HOF coach as well as any school ever. No SU recruit has ever had any doubt who his coach would be should JB step down, fall ill, or (please please) get banned for life by the NCAA during their 4 years in that frozen hellscape. I actually think Duke will have a harder time transitioning when K leaves.

PS: UVA has a much better chance of becoming BC.

[Elvado]

Syracuse's ceiling in the ACC is third banana. Case closed. Duke and UNC at 10 games under .500 are more important than an undefeated bunch of 13th graders from the North on Tobacco Road and always will be.

[calhoya]

Dec 14, 2016 7:36:38 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Syracuse's ceiling in the ACC is third banana. Case closed. Duke and UNC at 10 games under .500 are more important than an undefeated bunch of 13th graders from the North on Tobacco Road and always will be.

Agree. Syracuse is nothing but an outpost for the ACC. Cuse fans are unlikely to travel to play games against Duke, Carolina, or even Virginia. DC, Philly and MSG were much easier. As a result the rivalries will never establish like the old BE. I was all for not continuing this rivalry game and the lack of excitement this week, both nationally and among the fan base of the two schools, is evidence of the decline in interest and the state of basketball at both institutions. For all the complaining about what happened in the past, the reality is that right now the BE is an incredibly good basketball conference and given where things were just a few years ago it is hard to imagine a better outcome than what has occurred. If the Hoyas, St. Johns and Depaul could somehow resurrect their programs to become nationally relevant again the conference could rival the ACC.

[eagle54]

Dec 14, 2016 0:22:48 GMT -5 Hoyaholic said:

Dec 13, 2016 22:12:07 GMT -5 tashoya said:

This makes sense to me. Whether or not it comes to fruition, we'll have to wait to see. But it seems much more likely than the opposite scenario where Cuse becomes a perennial contender in the ACC. Add to the mix Boeheim's impending retirement, and I think they're much more BC than UVA (much less Carolina or Duke). Their ceiling in that league is the red-headed step child with a great sense of humor. Fun once in awhile but, most of the time, not so much (no shade meant toward the gingers. I can't tan either .

Syracuse has absolutely no chance of becoming BC. Hell, DePaul is several steps up from BC. That said, Syracuse has greater institutional and community support for its program than all but a few universities in the nation, and they will be transitioning to a coach that has been in the program for nearly 30 years, and yet at 46 is still young for a HC - he is actually 4 years younger than JTII. Last year's record under Hopkins notwithstanding, they have handled the succession plan from a long-time, HOF coach as well as any school ever. No SU recruit has ever had any doubt who his coach would be should JB step down, fall ill, or (please please) get banned for life by the NCAA during their 4 years in that frozen hellscape. I actually think Duke will have a harder time transitioning when K leaves.

PS: UVA has a much better chance of becoming BC.

I see you posted over on the Syracuse board sucking up for likes anywhere you can get them.  What a Edited.   Even they are knocking you in the messages there.  

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