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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 6, 2016 20:53:16 GMT -5
77-73 1:15 to go LaSalle playing tough guard play both teams
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 6, 2016 20:56:23 GMT -5
Like how Nova is aggressive against the press. 2 TD passes lead to 4 points. Hoyas play scared/passive against the press in end of game situations when protecting a lead.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 6, 2016 21:26:45 GMT -5
LaSalle will put up 85+ on us, and I don't see how we score enough to keep up with that. I said this in another thread earlier, but I think we have a better chance of beating Syracuse (even in the Dome) than beating laSalle. Syracuse is not playing any better than us right now (did you watch that syracuse-uconn sludgefest in the Garden last night?), and they don't have the kind of guard play that LaSalle has (and that we have not been able to handle for most of the post-first half of the davidson game era)
I even think the full house in the dome helps us - we are more likely to be focused and competitive in a hostile environment vs. a rival. There won't be a big crowd/crowd energy or any special emotional stakes for us vs. LaSalle. Comparing this game to the Monmouth game last year sounds about right to me - quick, athletic, confident, lane-attacking team that gets up on us early; and we never get anything rolling and play fairly flat for 40 minutes.
If we manage to beat LaSalle, I'll actually be fairly encouraged about the direction of our season.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 6, 2016 21:26:50 GMT -5
Just watching these two teams play makes me sick. Jay Wright is just amazing the way he lets his guys play. Those two TD passes off the press were unbelievable. Bridges is the real deal. And yes, Brunson is what a true PG looks like (I vaguely recall). I really think the game this Saturday is the season. Hoyas have a week to practice and get everyone healthy. Get a free preview of LaSalle tonight. Neutral court. No excuses this Saturday. If the Hoyas can play with these guys and not get blown out then there may be hope. But if, as I fear, they get blown away then it may be time to kiss another season goodbye. We will have to work very, very hard on defense for 40 minutes. Have to crash the boards. And have to use our height to get them in foul trouble.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 6, 2016 21:45:53 GMT -5
We'll best LaSalle, but it won't mean anything one way or the other.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 6, 2016 21:53:22 GMT -5
Keep in mind, that was LaSalle's national championship game. They've had it circled since last March. It will most definitely be quite the test and we may just lose but that was a game they've been prepped and fired up for.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 6, 2016 22:45:15 GMT -5
Very impressed with LaSalle tonight. Their strengths seem to matchup well with our weaknesses on defense. Very tough challenge for this team Saturday.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 6, 2016 23:39:44 GMT -5
Like how Nova is aggressive against the press. 2 TD passes lead to 4 points. Hoyas play scared/passive against the press in end of game situations when protecting a lead. In case you haven't noticed they're the #1 team in the country and we haven't been ranked in a few seasons....should not be that surprising. Basketball is a game of confidence, period.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 9:04:37 GMT -5
I'd probably zone these guys, Our bigs need to bring their A game if we want to win this one.. Price Powell and BJ are a tough trio to contain
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 7, 2016 9:55:45 GMT -5
We'll best LaSalle, but it won't mean anything one way or the other. Honestly, Id be surprised if we won this game. Another poster said it well. I like our chances more against Syracuse than LaSalle. It's a matchup issue. They shot 53% against the best team in the country. They are shooting 49% for the year and 41% from 3. They are probably the worst matchup we could have outside the top 25 teams. i guess the glass half full is that this is a good game for III to schedule. These are types of teams we need to shore up the defense against. It will be a good test.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 7, 2016 9:58:06 GMT -5
I'd probably zone these guys, Our bigs need to bring their A game if we want to win this one.. Price Powell and BJ are a tough trio to contain BJ Johnson is shooting 47% from 3 this year. Not a misprint. Im guessing zone wont work But, yes, probably man to man wont slow him down. My hopes rest on what Hometown mentioned. LaSalle probably just had their national championship game against Nova. Playing Gtown in Miami a few days later probably isnt peaking their interest.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 7, 2016 10:10:48 GMT -5
Just have to disagree. We can't write off a loss to this team and think it won't be an indication of how we perform the rest of the season. These are the games that challenge our defensive intensity. If we can contain LaSalle's offense then we may have a chance against Xavier, Nova, Creighton, Marquette. If we can't then in my mind it is a good indicator that we will be destroyed by quality BE teams. The fact that these mid majors play a different type of game than many major programs doesn't mean that we can ignore the weaknesses they expose. Our adversaries in the BE are watching these games too. They will be sure to incorporate changes in their game plans to attack our deficiencies. We have to correct those deficiencies and not assume they won't hurt us down the road.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 7, 2016 10:27:23 GMT -5
I think the disconnect here is that I honestly don't believe we are much better than LaSalle, if at all. Im not sure why and how people can argue otherwise. What have we proven in the past year plus that suggests that we should even be favored in this game? That's not really a statement about how we have too many bad losses, it's simply a statement that we are closer to the UNC-Ashevilles, Elons and LaSalles than we are to the Butlers, Creightons and Xaviers. Sorry, but it seems pretty well borne out. Maybe they will prove me wrong, and we'll win 11-12 BE games this year, but that seems highly unlikely to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 11:00:41 GMT -5
I'd probably zone these guys, Our bigs need to bring their A game if we want to win this one.. Price Powell and BJ are a tough trio to contain BJ Johnson is shooting 47% from 3 this year. Not a misprint. Im guessing zone wont work But, yes, probably man to man wont slow him down. My hopes rest on what Hometown mentioned. LaSalle probably just had their national championship game against Nova. Playing Gtown in Miami a few days later probably isnt peaking their interest. Yeah I know but don't think we can handle them off the bounce especially in PNR... I'd play an extended zone with man principles. Maybe that mitigates Powell who is a streaky shooter and one of the other 2 have an off night. Not exclusively, but I would give it a look..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 7, 2016 11:09:01 GMT -5
We beat Oregon. We should have beaten Maryland, which is a pretty good team. We can play a pretty high level of basketball. Let's not dismiss that fact.
But that said, of course we have often played at a lower level much of this season so far. Definitely have doubts about which Hoya team will show up.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 7, 2016 11:43:04 GMT -5
BJ Johnson is shooting 47% from 3 this year. Not a misprint. Im guessing zone wont work But, yes, probably man to man wont slow him down. My hopes rest on what Hometown mentioned. LaSalle probably just had their national championship game against Nova. Playing Gtown in Miami a few days later probably isnt peaking their interest. Just because Johnson has shot it well doesn't mean a zone won't work. He's taken 36 threes. Rodney Pryor is shooting 53% from 3. Not a misprint, and he's done it on 55 shots. Tough game, guys, but don't give up before we play!
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 7, 2016 12:21:22 GMT -5
Just have to disagree. We can't write off a loss to this team and think it won't be an indication of how we perform the rest of the season. These are the games that challenge our defensive intensity. If we can contain LaSalle's offense then we may have a chance against Xavier, Nova, Creighton, Marquette. If we can't then in my mind it is a good indicator that we will be destroyed by quality BE teams. The fact that these mid majors play a different type of game than many major programs doesn't mean that we can ignore the weaknesses they expose. Our adversaries in the BE are watching these games too. They will be sure to incorporate changes in their game plans to attack our deficiencies. We have to correct those deficiencies and not assume they won't hurt us down the road. I don't think people are going to dismiss a loss to LaSalle as simply the result of a bad match-up. The fact is LaSalle is at least even compared to the Hoyas and Cuse right now. The name on these jerseys mean nothing compared to the play on the court. Cuse has not beaten anyone this season and the latest loss to a (3-4) UConn team at MSG was indicative of their play this season. Meanwhile, Lasalle has not beaten anyone, either but outplayed Temple and went nose to nose with Nova. So I like the match-up against Cuse more simply because I trust the Hoyas to bring more energy to that game, and frankly, Lasalle is about as good as Cuse. I am hoping for a let down game by Lasalle in Miami and the Hoyas to find some early success, otherwise this game is trouble.
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 7, 2016 12:27:26 GMT -5
Just have to disagree. We can't write off a loss to this team and think it won't be an indication of how we perform the rest of the season. These are the games that challenge our defensive intensity. If we can contain LaSalle's offense then we may have a chance against Xavier, Nova, Creighton, Marquette. If we can't then in my mind it is a good indicator that we will be destroyed by quality BE teams. The fact that these mid majors play a different type of game than many major programs doesn't mean that we can ignore the weaknesses they expose. Our adversaries in the BE are watching these games too. They will be sure to incorporate changes in their game plans to attack our deficiencies. We have to correct those deficiencies and not assume they won't hurt us down the road. I understand where you are coming from doc, it may be true from a tournament resume point of view that a lot (if not everything) rests on the next few days. My only issue is that your post seems to suggest that whatever state the team is in now is somehow fixed and will not change going forward. It seems to me that the Hoyas are in a state of extreme flux. Veteran players are adapting (somewhat painfully at times) to a new offensive and a new defensive scheme. The team is also incorporating new faces in key roles. There is very little if any continuity carrying over from last year's squad, which is causing a significant amount of inconsistency. It is quite possible that this match-up against LaSalle is catching the Hoyas at a vulnerable point in that transition and it could get very ugly. It is also possible (but seems unreasonably optimisitic) that things click and they roll past LaSalle. Regardless of what happens against LaSalle, I think it's unfair to discount the possibility that the team will have grown, adjusted and better incorporated those new concepts and players by the time they face their Big East foes. It's also possible they never adjust or even regress. I guess my point is this team is struggling with a lot of change. It's shown flashes of what it can do, but those have been overshadowed by large stretches of incredibly frustrating inconsistency and hesitancy.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 7, 2016 12:46:56 GMT -5
BJ Johnson is shooting 47% from 3 this year. Not a misprint. Im guessing zone wont work But, yes, probably man to man wont slow him down. My hopes rest on what Hometown mentioned. LaSalle probably just had their national championship game against Nova. Playing Gtown in Miami a few days later probably isnt peaking their interest. Just because Johnson has shot it well doesn't mean a zone won't work. He's taken 36 threes. Rodney Pryor is shooting 53% from 3. Not a misprint, and he's done it on 55 shots. Tough game, guys, but don't give up before we play! Im not dismissing it or giving up. Like NC said, Im just being realistic. It's definitely possible we can get better and we have shown flashes of good play, but I dont think there is enough evidence that we are favored in this game. In year past, this would have been a bad loss. Right now, I dont think you can even say that.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 7, 2016 12:50:24 GMT -5
Just have to disagree. We can't write off a loss to this team and think it won't be an indication of how we perform the rest of the season. These are the games that challenge our defensive intensity. If we can contain LaSalle's offense then we may have a chance against Xavier, Nova, Creighton, Marquette. If we can't then in my mind it is a good indicator that we will be destroyed by quality BE teams. The fact that these mid majors play a different type of game than many major programs doesn't mean that we can ignore the weaknesses they expose. Our adversaries in the BE are watching these games too. They will be sure to incorporate changes in their game plans to attack our deficiencies. We have to correct those deficiencies and not assume they won't hurt us down the road. I understand where you are coming from doc, it may be true from a tournament resume point of view that a lot (if not everything) rests on the next few days. My only issue is that your post seems to suggest that whatever state the team is in now is somehow fixed and will not change going forward. It seems to me that the Hoyas are in a state of extreme flux. Veteran players are adapting (somewhat painfully at times) to a new offensive and a new defensive scheme. The team is also incorporating new faces in key roles. There is very little if any continuity carrying over from last year's squad, which is causing a significant amount of inconsistency. It is quite possible that this match-up against LaSalle is catching the Hoyas at a vulnerable point in that transition and it could get very ugly. It is also possible (but seems unreasonably optimisitic) that things click and they roll past LaSalle. Regardless of what happens against LaSalle, I think it's unfair to discount the possibility that the team will have grown, adjusted and better incorporated those new concepts and players by the time they face their Big East foes. It's also possible they never adjust or even regress. I guess my point is this team is struggling with a lot of change. It's shown flashes of what it can do, but those have been overshadowed by large stretches of incredibly frustrating inconsistency and hesitancy. Right. It feels like Monmouth. Almost the same point of the season, too. Going in to that game last year, I felt we could either click and roll past them, or they were going to blow us out. Feel the same here.
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