Hoyas - LaSalle Miami 12/10/2016 Discussion

[DanMcQ]

Defense and rebounding.

[bostonfan]

Dec 5, 2016 11:38:50 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Defense and rebounding.

Agreed.
 
Also eliminate the sloppy turnovers and that will really help. The offense is pretty efficient now with LJ and Pryor, so if they can cut down on turnovers and get good shots, they will beat a team like LaSalle.

Would love to see them do something different on a  their inbounds plays under the other teams basket. We seems to struggle all the time with that, and turn it over at least twice a game on what should be a simple inbounding of the ball. Don't need a layup on those plays, just get the ball in and run your offense.

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Lasalle is a good team with a ton of guards but limited inside... If we're going to win we have to own the boards imo

[2ndRyan]

The Explorers play Villanova tomorrow night at the Palestra. I plan to tune in for a bit.

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Dec 5, 2016 13:25:39 GMT -5 2ndRyan said:

The Explorers play Villanova tomorrow night at the Palestra. I plan to tune in for a bit.

Similar to us they have 2 guards who put up big numbers and are a handful. Lots of versatile kids around 6'5 to 6'7

[hoyaboya]

LaSalle is currently ranked KenPom #101, ahead of luminaries such as Elon (#120) and Arkansas State (#172). Would think Hoyas will be 4 or 5 point favorites on a neutral court.

[hoyaboya]

Syracuse transfer B.J. Johnson off to a very good start to the season averaging 18.7 ppg, 5.7 rpg, and 1 block...53.6% fgp, 46.9% 3fg, 92% ftp. Would have been an interesting matchup with Copeland if Ike was playing up to his potential. Not sure who guards him at the outset of the game, looks like Agau could be foul trouble waiting to happen.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

These next four games determine if we are likely tourney bound or not. Lasalle, Cuse, UNC Greensboro & Marquette are all going to be tough. All need to be W's too.

[hoyaboya]

Dec 5, 2016 15:05:22 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

These next four games determine if we are likely tourney bound or not. Lasalle, Cuse, UNC Greensboro & Marquette are all going to be tough. All need to be W's too.

Current KenPom ratings:

LaSalle: 101
Syracuse: 23
UNC Greensboro: 164
Marquette: 30

We're currently KenPom #61 and will certainly be road underdogs vs. Syracuse and Marquette. Vs. LaSalle on a neutral court we'll likely be slight (4-5 point) favorites. UNC Greensboro on paper should be the easiest (~10 point favorites), but certainly no gimme. UNC Greensboro is higher ranked on KenPom than Arkansas State.

[BigmanU]

Dec 5, 2016 15:05:22 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

These next four games determine if we are likely tourney bound or not. Lasalle, Cuse, UNC Greensboro & Marquette are all going to be tough. All need to be W's too.

Don't need all four. But if we get them, it's hunting season again

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Dec 5, 2016 15:05:22 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

These next four games determine if we are likely tourney bound or not. Lasalle, Cuse, UNC Greensboro & Marquette are all going to be tough. All need to be W's too.

Agree that the first 3 need to be wins. @ Marquette less so. We need to probably get to 10-8 in BE play but I don't think we need to win that game. If it were at home yes I'd agree, but it's on the road. Sweep DePaul and St. John's split with everyone else and we'd be at 11-7 which would get us into the tournament easily with quality wins over Oregon, cuse and uconn.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Dec 5, 2016 15:17:03 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

Dec 5, 2016 15:05:22 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

These next four games determine if we are likely tourney bound or not. Lasalle, Cuse, UNC Greensboro & Marquette are all going to be tough. All need to be W's too.

Agree that the first 3 need to be wins. @ Marquette less so. We need to probably get to 10-8 in BE play but I don't think we need to win that game. If it were at home yes I'd agree, but it's on the road. Sweep DePaul and St. John's split with everyone else and we'd be at 11-7 which would get us into the tournament easily with quality wins over Oregon, cuse and uconn.

HSB, you don't really think this team with its current playing can split the rest though right? You gotta get the St. J & Depaul sweep. I think we get swept in all likelihood by Xavier, Villanova, Creighton and possibly Butler. I also don't think splitting with Seton Hall, Provy & Marquette are a given. Last year looked a lot like this year (7-5 OOC, Big wins against Wisconsin & Cuse) and we got swept by Nova, Provy, Seton Hall, & Butler.

There is a lot of time for improvement and maybe we can be this years Cuse. Stink early on only to get hot late and make a tourney run. It is possible because there is plenty of talent but Elon continued to show why there should be little faith in this squad at present time.

[hoyasaxa2003]

KenPom puts us at 66% to win this game, projected score of 79-74. LaSalle is particularly strong on threes - 11th best in the nation, shooting 42.1% as a team! They even have one guy who has taken 23 threes and made 15. Obviously, that's unrealistically good for a whole year.

They also don't turn it over that much (meaning the press may not be a good choice), but they're also bad at forcing opponents into turnovers, which is good for us. They're also excellent free throw shooters - 77.2% as a team, thus far - but they don't get to the line all that much.

Where is LaSalle vulnerable? Defense. Opposing teams shoot well against them. They're 300/351 in defending against threes, and 272/351 in defending twos. They are not a good offensive rebounding team, but good defensive rebounding.

[calhoya]

Dec 5, 2016 17:23:03 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

KenPom puts us at 66% to win this game, projected score of 79-74. LaSalle is particularly strong on threes - 11th best in the nation, shooting 42.1% as a team! They even have one guy who has taken 23 threes and made 15. Obviously, that's unrealistically good for a whole year.

They also don't turn it over that much (meaning the press may not be a good choice), but they're also bad at forcing opponents into turnovers, which is good for us. They're also excellent free throw shooters - 77.2% as a team, thus far - but they don't get to the line all that much.

Where is LaSalle vulnerable? Defense. Opposing teams shoot well against them. They're 300/351 in defending against threes, and 272/351 in defending twos. They are not a good offensive rebounding team, but good defensive rebounding.

Unfortunately the Hoyas have very few 3 pt options now. Govan takes few and only Pryor and Tre are shooting better than 37%. Derrickson is way off from 3 pt range and even worse statistically from inside the arc. Need MD and Copeland (Cameron?) to get going. What should scare this team is that LaSalle lost an overtime game to Temple, which already has two Top 25 wins. This Hoya team is not currently a good shooting team, particularly if you take away the transition baskets off of turnovers . Hayes, Derrickson, and Copeland are all shooting poorly and below last season's performance. Mulmore, Mosley, and Kaleb are not good shooters and have trouble finishing. Cameron and Mourning have been relegated to the end of the bench.

[vv83]

sadly, I'll be surprised if we beat LaSalle. Too many shooters, and BJ Johnson is probably as good as anyone on our team. I would like to think we can play 40 minutes of sound defense, limiting open looks - but that does not happen too often these days. Unless someone like Copeland/Derrickson wakes up and has a big game, I don't see us scoring enough points to keep up with LaSalle's shooting.

In some ways, i actually like our chances vs. Syracuse better than vs. LaSalle. Syracuse is not playing well yet, they are not a great shooting team, their guards are not playing very consistently, and there is a much better chance we get an intense 40 minute effort out of our guys vs. Syracuse in a packed dome than vs. LaSalle in what might be a half empty miami arena. If we clean up the defensive rebounding and compete for 40 minutes, I think we have a chance against Syracuse. I am less confident that we'll bring our A game (which still is nothing all that special right now) against LaSalle, and we obviously struggle with scrappy mid major teams that have lots of good shooters.

[FrazierFanatic]

Dec 5, 2016 13:25:39 GMT -5 2ndRyan said:

The Explorers play Villanova tomorrow night at the Palestra. I plan to tune in for a bit.

Thanks for the heads up, will definitely check it out.

[71hoya]

Lasalle has gone the transfer route. This year they have transfers from Memphis, Syracuse, South Carolina, Auburn, and Georgia Southern. Most of these players did not get to play together last year other than at practice. The Villanova game tomorrow night is maybe the most important game on their schedule as it is a big five game. I was at the Temple game and thought that LaSalle should have won the game. They can shoot and hit foul shots. Their defense was only okay. We may be a letdown game after Villanova.

[sleepy]

Dec 5, 2016 15:12:14 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

Dec 5, 2016 15:05:22 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

These next four games determine if we are likely tourney bound or not. Lasalle, Cuse, UNC Greensboro & Marquette are all going to be tough. All need to be W's too.

Current KenPom ratings:

LaSalle: 101
Syracuse: 23
UNC Greensboro: 164
Marquette: 30

We're currently KenPom #61 and will certainly be road underdogs vs. Syracuse and Marquette. Vs. LaSalle on a neutral court we'll likely be slight (4-5 point) favorites. UNC Greensboro on paper should be the easiest (~10 point favorites), but certainly no gimme. UNC Greensboro is higher ranked on KenPom than Arkansas State.

It's still too early for KenPom rankings to mean much of anything imo. One doesn't need to look at stats realize Syracuse is not the 23rd best team in the country.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Dec 5, 2016 18:47:13 GMT -5 vv83 said:

sadly, I'll be surprised if we beat LaSalle. Too many shooters, and BJ Johnson is probably as good as anyone on our team. I would like to think we can play 40 minutes of sound defense, limiting open looks - but that does not happen too often these days. Unless someone like Copeland/Derrickson wakes up and has a big game, I don't see us scoring enough points to keep up with LaSalle's shooting.

I am not saying we will win this game, but LaSalle also lost to Texas Southern (171), which is ranked just above Arkansas State (172). This is a winnable game, but I wouldn't be shocked if we lost, either.

Syracuse is a much harder game. Not only is Syracuse a better team, but the game is away, and Syracuse's fans will surely turn out to try to watch their team beat us. But, one step at a time. Let's beat LaSalle first and then worry about Syracuse.

[lichoya68]

NEED TO WIN ALL FOUR MONEY TIME MUST GET ROLLING AND I THINKS WE WILL we will see og hoyas