Perspective from other Big East message boards

[hoyaboya]

From Marquette board:

"Trade Georgetown for Dayton"
"JT3=Joey Meyer"

www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=52553.125

From Xavier board:

"Can they just fire JT3 already? I have no idea why he is still employed."
"What a train wreck Georgetown is. Can't wait to play them on NYE when Xavier fans will likely outnumber Hoyas fans again this year."
"I think the conference has done just fine with them sucking ass but i get what you mean. Jt3 has to go..the guy is a freaking terrible coach..i mean really terrible. Hes no Frank haith, no one is, but still not good."
"Can we trade Georgetown for another team? Or least a keg of beer? You know how football teams script their first 15 plays? Up 7 with a minute to go against Maryland, it was like Georgetown had scripted 10 stupid things to do in a row to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."
"@mattnorlander I’m told by a source that Georgetown paid $95,000 to host and lose to A-State. A buy game that ends in a W. The epitome of euphoria."

www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?31362-Games-involving-other-Big-East-Members-2016-2017/page3

From Creighton board:

"Seriously, what does JTIII have to do, to get fired?"
"Crapped the bed in a JV gym. Their fans should wear paper bags over their heads."
"What was the cause this time? I watched the meltdown against Maryland. Maryland's got a legit big ten roster. How do you go from almost not losing to them, to this. What's the worst about all this is that everyone else's RPI suffers more now once we have the two G'town games behind us."

www.bluejayunderground.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4327&start=70

From Butler board:

"If this is the game that finally leads to the end of the nepotism at Georgetown, then it might be a net positive for the Big East."
"But of course the biggest issue is that the school with probably the best basketball brand in the BE continues to embarrass itself. The Big East needs Georgetown to find itself."
"Could not believe JT3 not even trying to stop Arkansas State's run to start the game by calling time outs. He seems so laid back to me. Too laid back. Too nice of a guy."
"The fan support is waning for Georgetown (and JTIII), too. They averaged just 8900 attendees per game last year. It's a big school in a hugely populated metro area, and they play in a big arena. 8900 is brutal for them, and they haven't topped an annual average of 9600 since the 12-13 campaign. In the four seasons from 2008-2011, they averaged 12000+ each year."

butlerhoops.com/forum/index.php?threads/big-east-conversation.472/page-125

From Providence board:

"Sounds horrible but until John Thompson Jr. dies Georgetown is stuck with JT3. Their only other chance at success is if JT3 resigns."
"Hoya fans have to pray for scandal."
"Danny Hurley?"
"I think Georgetown desperately needs to go in a non-tied to JT, non-alumni, direction. Maybe a King Rice type."
"Fair point. But as long as JTJr is sitting behind sonny's bench he's safe no matter how bad the results. Sort of like Calhoun and his Ollie hire."
"How much respect can a coach get with Daddy sitting behind him all of the time? I have to think that takes away from some of the respect/reverence players would have for a guy."

www.scout.com/college/providence/forums/1323-friar-talk/15154510-georgetown

From St. John's board:

"Georgetown looks awful. They will not improve that much this season. Look very stiff with no guards."
"Far cry from the days when G'Town was full of athletes."
"The way they're playing now, our women team could beat them."

redmen.com/forum/4-redmentalk/41158-around-the-big-east.html?start=4464

Will add some more if I find some more time today, but interesting to get the perspective from fans of other league members.

[hoyasaxa2003]

This is not surprising. As far as the "let's trade Georgetown for []" sentiment, that's just stupid fandom.

[guru]

Nov 18, 2016 11:05:17 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

This is not surprising. As far as the "let's trade Georgetown for []" sentiment, that's just stupid fandom.

Maybe not surprising, but depressing to know that we are increasingly looked at by the legit programs in the new BET as a DePaul/St. John's type anvil around other Big East team's necks, dragging down their RPI numbers and hurting the very conference we were once expected to lead.

[Deleted]

While I couldn't access the content. The top thread in the Villanova message board is "Georgetown double LOL."

[hoyasaxa2003]

Nov 18, 2016 11:10:12 GMT -5 guru said:

Maybe not surprising, but depressing to know that we are increasingly looked at by the legit programs in the new BET as a DePaul/St. John's type anvil around other Big East team's necks, dragging down their RPI numbers and hurting the very conference we were once expected to lead.

Well, I agree, but I also think fans over-state their case too. KenPom ratings:

2014:

Georgetown: 57
DePaul: 193
St. John's: 53

2015:

Georgetown: 22
DePaul: 150
St. John's: 50

2016:

Georgetown: 62
DePaul: 182
St. John's: 211

2017:

Georgetown: 41
DePaul: 170
St. Johns': 164

We are a long way from DePaul or St. John's 2016/2017 level.

[gunny]

Are you serious? The best you can say is we are a long way from DePaul or St. John's 2016 level. If that is where the program stands then massive change needs to be made. Other schools should make fun of us. We are that pathetic.

[Elvado]

When people asked this year if we would be relevant, I asked if we would be good. We are clearly relevant, as a cautionary tale...

What we are not, is good.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Nov 18, 2016 11:38:01 GMT -5 gunny said:

Are you serious? The best you can say is we are a long way from DePaul or St. John's 2016 level. If that is where the program stands then massive change needs to be made. Other schools should make fun of us. We are that pathetic.

Go back and read the entire thread. I was responding to guru's comment about the St. John's/DePaul anvil being around our neck. All I said was that was over-stating the situation. We are a long-way from that level. I am not sure how that's controversial.

As far as other schools making fun of us, I really couldn't care less. I just want to win.

[hoyadestroya]

I received apologies from SUcks fans last night for how far our program has fallen. Something needs to happen sooner than later and unfortunately even though I like the guy, it starts with the head coach.

[royski]

Makes sense. If I were a fan of another Big East program, I'd be very upset with Georgetown. Georgetown was instrumental in leading the charge for this new conference, and us and Nova were the presumed standard bearers. We're letting them all down, badly. We're hurting all of their RPI with this crap. While Nova defends a national title, Xavier and Butler run nationally relevant programs, Providence has a resurgence, etc., Georgetown is a national joke, when we are mentioned at all. Enough is enough.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Nov 18, 2016 15:05:26 GMT -5 royski said:

Makes sense. If I were a fan of another Big East program, I'd be very upset with Georgetown. Georgetown was instrumental in leading the charge for this new conference, and us and Nova were the presumed standard bearers. We're letting them all down, badly. We're hurting all of their RPI with this crap. While Nova defends a national title, Xavier and Butler run nationally relevant programs, Providence has a resurgence, etc., Georgetown is a national joke, when we are mentioned at all. Enough is enough.

And what makes you think making a change now solves this problem? You have a strong alumni base with extremely close ties to the Thompsons - basically every NBA player that went to Georgetown. I know people here think going in a new direction would thrill people but there are alumni who actually disagree with the sentiment. Yes, the chorus is growing but we are three games in. The season isn't over and I think the way it plays out will shed more light on what best decision is for the future.

There's a fair chance that if a change was made that things would get worse before they get better. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Also sorry but fans of the other programs need to relax. In reality they're more concerned about themselves than us. It is easy to kick us when we are down but quite frankly I don't care what they say. And I highly doubt other Big East fans care very much when everybody piles on their programs.

Seriously, if we are going to cite other program's message boards as a reason for change we are well away from the real substantive discussion.

[TBird41]

Nov 18, 2016 18:03:32 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Nov 18, 2016 15:05:26 GMT -5 royski said:

Makes sense. If I were a fan of another Big East program, I'd be very upset with Georgetown. Georgetown was instrumental in leading the charge for this new conference, and us and Nova were the presumed standard bearers. We're letting them all down, badly. We're hurting all of their RPI with this crap. While Nova defends a national title, Xavier and Butler run nationally relevant programs, Providence has a resurgence, etc., Georgetown is a national joke, when we are mentioned at all. Enough is enough.

And what makes you think making a change now solves this problem? You have a strong alumni base with extremely close ties to the Thompsons - basically every NBA player that went to Georgetown. I know people here think going in a new direction would thrill people but there are alumni who actually disagree with the sentiment. Yes, the chorus is growing but we are three games in. The season isn't over and I think the way it plays out will shed more light on what best decision is for the future.

There's a fair chance that if a change was made that things would get worse before they get better. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Also sorry but fans of the other programs need to relax. In reality they're more concerned about themselves than us. It is easy to kick us when we are down but quite frankly I don't care what they say. And I highly doubt other Big East fans care very much when everybody piles on their programs.

Seriously, if we are going to cite other program's message boards as a reason for change we are well away from the real substantive discussion.

Absent a scandal, is there an outcome to this season where you would want JT3 replaced?

[This Just In]

Nov 18, 2016 18:33:16 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

Nov 18, 2016 18:03:32 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

And what makes you think making a change now solves this problem? You have a strong alumni base with extremely close ties to the Thompsons - basically every NBA player that went to Georgetown. I know people here think going in a new direction would thrill people but there are alumni who actually disagree with the sentiment. Yes, the chorus is growing but we are three games in. The season isn't over and I think the way it plays out will shed more light on what best decision is for the future.

There's a fair chance that if a change was made that things would get worse before they get better. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Also sorry but fans of the other programs need to relax. In reality they're more concerned about themselves than us. It is easy to kick us when we are down but quite frankly I don't care what they say. And I highly doubt other Big East fans care very much when everybody piles on their programs.

Seriously, if we are going to cite other program's message boards as a reason for change we are well away from the real substantive discussion.

Absent a scandal, is there an outcome to this season where you would want JT3 replaced?

The answer is "NO".

[HometownHoya]

Nov 18, 2016 18:51:58 GMT -5 This Just In said:

Nov 18, 2016 18:33:16 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

Absent a scandal, is there an outcome to this season where you would want JT3 replaced?

The answer is "NO".

Is that your answer or are you answering for someone else?

[eagle54]

He needs to go as this storyline is getting tired and old. I see no rational explanation to keep him around. A few years back we were arguing how well he did a few years back. Now it's been many years and consistent failures that continue to get worse than the last.

I think he makes the decision to step aside as he knows he's clearly overmatched and will want to protect the family name and his own image before it gets worse.

[eagle54]

Nov 18, 2016 18:03:32 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Nov 18, 2016 15:05:26 GMT -5 royski said:

Makes sense. If I were a fan of another Big East program, I'd be very upset with Georgetown. Georgetown was instrumental in leading the charge for this new conference, and us and Nova were the presumed standard bearers. We're letting them all down, badly. We're hurting all of their RPI with this crap. While Nova defends a national title, Xavier and Butler run nationally relevant programs, Providence has a resurgence, etc., Georgetown is a national joke, when we are mentioned at all. Enough is enough.

And what makes you think making a change now solves this problem? You have a strong alumni base with extremely close ties to the Thompsons - basically every NBA player that went to Georgetown. I know people here think going in a new direction would thrill people but there are alumni who actually disagree with the sentiment. Yes, the chorus is growing but we are three games in. The season isn't over and I think the way it plays out will shed more light on what best decision is for the future.

There's a fair chance that if a change was made that things would get worse before they get better. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Also sorry but fans of the other programs need to relax. In reality they're more concerned about themselves than us. It is easy to kick us when we are down but quite frankly I don't care what they say. And I highly doubt other Big East fans care very much when everybody piles on their programs.

Seriously, if we are going to cite other program's message boards as a reason for change we are well away from the real substantive discussion.

The same fear mongering that has been pedaled here for too long.  When we hired Esherick we never did a search and just hired an internal candidate who wasn't prepared to be in charge of this program.  

We've not stepped out and done a national search for this program in its history (at least in the modern era).  You'll never know if you don't try but continuing to do the same and expecting different results isn't working real well right now.   

[HometownHoya]

Nov 18, 2016 20:08:22 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

He needs to go as this storyline is getting tired and old. I see no rational explanation to keep him around. A few years back we were arguing how well he did a few years back. Now it's been many years and consistent failures that continue to get worse than the last.

I think he makes the decision to step aside as he knows he's clearly overmatched and will want to protect the family name and his own image before it gets worse.

Very few disagree but you're the one propping this tired and old storyline up. We have 4.5 months of basketball, this will be an underlying storyline but it needs not to be the only discussion about Hoya basketball all winter.

If JT3 decides to step aside, I'm sure he'll have the support of most of the fans. Outside of that though, the administration is not removing him until the season is over.

[blueandgray]

Wow...just wow!

[eagle54]

I love how "it's only three games in."

It's a lot bigger than that and this year was one where our team was coming in with little room for error and needed to show vast improvement as last year should have been the sign after many failures before that. To say we've stumbled out of the gates is a gross understatement and we are being judged on a much larger body of work than the first three games.

[hoyarooter]

Nov 18, 2016 20:21:51 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

I love how "it's only three games in."

It's a lot bigger than that and this year was one where our team was coming in with little room for error and needed to show vast improvement as last year should have been the sign after many failures before that. To say we've stumbled out of the gates is a gross understatement and we are being judged on a much larger body of work than the first three games.

We didn't stumble. We fell head first into the cake.