The New Nova?

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theringer.com/georgetown-basketball-wants-to-be-the-next-villanova-da65319c95b8#.p5zphfrcq

Blecch.

[GUJook97]

I mentioned this in the other thread, but this is pretty much exactly what I think we should be. I hate that it's called the "New Nova," but there's no question III is taking his cues from it.

[TBird41]

Nov 15, 2016 10:56:51 GMT -5 @nychoya94 said:

theringer.com/georgetown-basketball-wants-to-be-the-next-villanova-da65319c95b8#.p5zphfrcq

Blecch.

The word defense is used once in the whole article, and its a quote from Isaac. Yes, the offense bogged down, but the Hoyas inability to defend was the main culprit in their missing the tournament in 2014 and 2016. Its just the defense doesn't have a snazzy nickname, so no one gets moralistic about it.

[MCIGuy]

Nov 15, 2016 11:20:58 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

Nov 15, 2016 10:56:51 GMT -5 @nychoya94 said:

theringer.com/georgetown-basketball-wants-to-be-the-next-villanova-da65319c95b8#.p5zphfrcq

Blecch.

The word defense is used once in the whole article, and its a quote from Isaac. Yes, the offense bogged down, but the Hoyas inability to defend was the main culprit in their missing the tournament in 2014 and 2016. Its just the defense doesn't have a snazzy nickname, so no one gets moralistic about it.

Even if defense had been better the offense would still have been too porous to take advantage of it. We needed a course correction in the offense much longer than we did for defense. Our passive take-what-the-defense-gives-you approach had led to drought city throughout games and kept inferior teams within reach. I recall after a loss to a good Cincy squad during the Freeman-Wright senior year in which we held the Bearcats under 60 points and people here still blamed the defense. It wasn't the defense that killed us in that game and many others. It was the horrible O. Granted the defense was atrocious last season but our troubles on the court started way before last season. There is a reason why the team hasn't been a factor in March for such a long time and that has been an offense that is not able to generate easy baskets and points at the FT line in order to prevent scoring droughts from happening.

And by the way coaches are paid to make sure teams execute on both sides of the court. Nova's defense was great last season but it's efficiency on offense and it's reasonably high scoring were ust as much a key.

[goyahoya69]

Good article. Pretty accurate, even if I do dislike the title.

[TBird41]

Nov 15, 2016 12:40:48 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Nov 15, 2016 11:20:58 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

The word defense is used once in the whole article, and its a quote from Isaac. Yes, the offense bogged down, but the Hoyas inability to defend was the main culprit in their missing the tournament in 2014 and 2016. Its just the defense doesn't have a snazzy nickname, so no one gets moralistic about it.

Even if defense had been better the offense would still have been too porous to take advantage of it. We needed a course correction in the offense much longer than we did for defense. Our passive take-what-the-defense-gives-you approach had led to drought city throughout games and kept inferior teams within reach. I recall after a loss to a good Cincy squad during the Freeman-Wright senior year in which we held the Bearcats under 60 points and people here still blamed the defense. It wasn't the defense that killed us in that game and many others. It was the horrible O. Granted the defense was atrocious last season but our troubles on the court started way before last season. There is a reason why the team hasn't been a factor in March for such a long time and that has been an offense that is not able to generate easy baskets and points at the FT line in order to prevent scoring droughts from happening.

And by the way coaches are paid to make sure teams execute on both sides of the court. Nova's defense was great last season but it's efficiency on offense and it's reasonably high scoring were ust as much a key.

Shockingly, I didn't say that defense was the problem in 2011. It was, however, the biggest problem last year, and in 2014.

The offense was bad last year. The defense was horrible. If the defense was better, I think they make the tournament, not only because they'd have given up fewer points, but because LJ Peak would have gotten to play more, which would have improved the offense. That being said, I don't disagree that the offense needed to change (which it was starting to do, albeit in a limited fashion due to few players that could get to the basket, including the frequently fouling Peak), nor do I disagree with the article's premise. I do, however, think that at some point in the article, the author should have mentioned that the defense was atrocious, and that JT3 hasn't been able to get his defense to avoid fouling everyone since the rules change. We don't run the Princeton defense, however, and people don't have visceral reactions to the theory behind our defensive system, so it just gets ignored.

[hoyasaxa2003]

For what it's worth, fouling - only one aspect of our defense - alone may have kept us out of the tournament and it certainly kept us under .500. There were many games where the free throw disparity was enormous. Of course there were lots of other problems too, which kept us from being better but I think if fouling and defense was better alone we would've been a low seeded tournament team.

[MCIGuy]

Nov 15, 2016 13:06:29 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

Shockingly, I didn't say that defense was the problem in 2011. It was, however, the biggest problem last year, and in 2014.

My point wasn't made clear enough it seems. Sorry about that. What I'm suggesting is that our defense is often used as a crutch go-to excuse after any oncourt failure, whether it be a season or a disappointing showing in the tournament. This rationale not only comes from certain fans but from III himself. But the offense in those times too often got a pass. As a result we heard the old talking point from III that shots didn't fall or fans would bemoan not having a center to run the offense through. Just utter nonsense. As if there is only one way to skin a cat. The offense has failed these teams overall more than the defense and a change in approach was needed years ago IMO. I reached back into years past to better illustrate how long this charade of ignoring the inept offense has been going on. Unquestionably last season was so bad that the defense was arguably the worst part of the team. But let that not distract us from the fact that the offense has been less than stellar for quite awhile. Hell, you had III actually admitting for the first time the need to get easier baskets off of breaks and more points from the FT line. He is correct but what took him so long?

[SSHoya]

Nov 15, 2016 15:22:37 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Nov 15, 2016 13:06:29 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

Shockingly, I didn't say that defense was the problem in 2011. It was, however, the biggest problem last year, and in 2014.

My point wasn't made clear enough it seems. Sorry about that. What I'm suggesting is that our defense is often used as a crutch go-to excuse after any oncourt failure, whether it be a season or a disappointing showing in the tournament. This rationale not only comes from certain fans but from III himself. But the offense in those times too often got a pass. As a result we heard the old talking point from III that shots didn't fall or fans would bemoan not having a center to run the offense through. Just utter nonsense. As if there is only one way to skin a cat. The offense has failed these teams overall more than the defense and a change in approach was needed years ago IMO. I reached back into years past to better illustrate how long this charade of ignoring the inept offense has been going on. Unquestionably last season was so bad that the defense was arguably the worst part of the team. But let that not distract us from the fact that the offense has been less than stellar for quite awhile. Hell, you had III actually admitting for the first time the need to get easier baskets off of breaks and more points from the FT line. He is correct but what took him so long?

What took him so long? The only trait he inherited from his father -- stubborness!!

[Elvado]

This thread title makes me want to puke

[lichoya68]

ps DEFENSE LEADS TO OFFENSE just saying ask our capt GENE SMITH mr, D

[HometownHoya]

New Nova? I prefer Old Nova...let's bring Scottie Reynolds back!

[drquigley]

I posted on other thread, if you saw Nova last night beat Purdue you got a glimpse of what we have been missing the last few years. First was Josh Hart and his ability to dribble penetrate and take it to Purdue's big man. Hart was absolutely fearless and got the 7 footer in early foul trouble. Our offense hasn't had anyone like that since Freeman (occasionally Otto). Second was rebounding. Amazing how Nova fought underneath for position and got long rebounds on missed 3's. Finally, confidence. Nova never looked rattled. It is going to take a lot to wrest the BE conference title from them. Our last game of the season against them at Verizon will be HUGE.

[rockhoya]

Nov 15, 2016 16:54:30 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I posted on other thread, if you saw Nova last night beat Purdue you got a glimpse of what we have been missing the last few years. First was Josh Hart and his ability to dribble penetrate and take it to Purdue's big man. Hart was absolutely fearless and got the 7 footer in early foul trouble. Our offense hasn't had anyone like that since Freeman (occasionally Otto). Second was rebounding. Amazing how Nova fought underneath for position and got long rebounds on missed 3's. Finally, confidence. Nova never looked rattled. It is going to take a lot to wrest the BE conference title from them. Our last game of the season against them at Verizon will be HUGE.

Except some of those foul calls were questionable - Hart was literally just throwing his body at contact for the sake of contact and they barely pulled out a victory over a team that outplayed them for most of the game.

[HometownHoya]

Nov 15, 2016 17:00:55 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Nov 15, 2016 16:54:30 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I posted on other thread, if you saw Nova last night beat Purdue you got a glimpse of what we have been missing the last few years. First was Josh Hart and his ability to dribble penetrate and take it to Purdue's big man. Hart was absolutely fearless and got the 7 footer in early foul trouble. Our offense hasn't had anyone like that since Freeman (occasionally Otto). Second was rebounding. Amazing how Nova fought underneath for position and got long rebounds on missed 3's. Finally, confidence. Nova never looked rattled. It is going to take a lot to wrest the BE conference title from them. Our last game of the season against them at Verizon will be HUGE.

Except some of those foul calls were questionable - Hart was literally just throwing his body at contact for the sake of contact and they barely pulled out a victory over a team that outplayed them for most of the game.

That's what I noticed as well. He didn't seem to be at all interested in dumping the ball off, even when driving against a 7'3" blocking the lane. If it turns out that straight up defense doesn't work against Nova, I'd try to shut everyone else down and make Hart beat you alone. He's able to but if he's not making buckets, his forcing the ball could hurt.

[rockhoya]

Nov 15, 2016 17:16:17 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

Nov 15, 2016 17:00:55 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Except some of those foul calls were questionable - Hart was literally just throwing his body at contact for the sake of contact and they barely pulled out a victory over a team that outplayed them for most of the game.

That's what I noticed as well. He didn't seem to be at all interested in dumping the ball off, even when driving against a 7'3" blocking the lane. If it turns out that straight up defense doesn't work against Nova, I'd try to shut everyone else down and make Hart beat you alone. He's able to but if he's not making buckets, his forcing the ball could hurt.

Exactly. And my money is on Pryor.

[TBird41]

Nov 15, 2016 17:48:20 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Nov 15, 2016 17:16:17 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

That's what I noticed as well. He didn't seem to be at all interested in dumping the ball off, even when driving against a 7'3" blocking the lane. If it turns out that straight up defense doesn't work against Nova, I'd try to shut everyone else down and make Hart beat you alone. He's able to but if he's not making buckets, his forcing the ball could hurt.

Exactly. And my money is on Pryor.

That's weird. Nova players aren't really known for driving with no plan except to initiate contact and draw the foul.

[trillesthoya]

Let's hope this Maryland game is the equivalent of Villanova's loss against Oklahoma early last season?

[HometownHoya]

Saw this posted by a Butler fan elsewhere:

Funny that Ringer article calling Gtown the new Nova came out today. We just saw Nova in an extremely hostile arena against a great team execute perfectly down the stretch to beat Purdue, and now Georgetown do everything they could to give this win away. That's why Georgetown's not Nova.

What made Nova able to keep their lead and whittle that game down? They were up 5 with 1:13 left.

To me, it's clear. Their team didn't have 3 turnovers and a dumb foul...they got their inbound passes, got fouled, and made their FTs.

[eagle54]

Nov 15, 2016 23:07:18 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

Saw this posted by a Butler fan elsewhere:

Funny that Ringer article calling Gtown the new Nova came out today. We just saw Nova in an extremely hostile arena against a great team execute perfectly down the stretch to beat Purdue, and now Georgetown do everything they could to give this win away. That's why Georgetown's not Nova.

What made Nova able to keep their lead and whittle that game down? They were up 5 with 1:13 left.

To me, it's clear. Their team didn't have 3 turnovers and a dumb foul...they got their inbound passes, got fouled, and made their FTs.

Jay Wright wouldn't have allowed that to happen or do they just have a far superior set of players that don't require coaching.  Either way, we are in for a long season unless we measure success the way many on this board do.