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Post by Cambridge on Dec 12, 2016 12:34:06 GMT -5
This is the most insane revisionist history. Roy couldn't run, let alone dribble a basketball, as a freshman. He looked like a baby giraffe. There are pages and pages of old threads about how he would be a plodding project at best. "[In 2003-2004], Hibbert averaged 19 points, 17 rebounds, six blocks and three assists en route to being named a second-team Washington Post All-Met." www.thehoya.com/big-man-high/I'm dubious of mystery recruits. In today's 24/7 world, there are no 7-5 secrets, which is why Watara Mountari is less about the next Dikembe Mutombo and, for now, more about the next Neil Fingleton. That was his senior year in high school, not his freshman year. I was responding to the implication that Hibbert was a 4 star recruit as a freshman in high school. I recall he was barely able to run the court and couldn't do a single pushup. His nickname was Bambi.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 12, 2016 13:35:22 GMT -5
"[In 2003-2004], Hibbert averaged 19 points, 17 rebounds, six blocks and three assists en route to being named a second-team Washington Post All-Met." www.thehoya.com/big-man-high/I'm dubious of mystery recruits. In today's 24/7 world, there are no 7-5 secrets, which is why Watara Mountari is less about the next Dikembe Mutombo and, for now, more about the next Neil Fingleton. That was his senior year in high school, not his freshman year. I was responding to the implication that Hibbert was a 4 star recruit as a freshman in high school. I recall he was barely able to run the court and couldn't do a single pushup. His nickname was Bambi. You do realize it's pretty common for kids to be ranked high when they are 15/16 and see their ranking drop by the time they leave high school, right?
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Post by practice on Dec 12, 2016 13:59:12 GMT -5
With all due respect to the competition in the IAC -- the likes of Bullis, Landon, St. Stephen & St. Agnes, Episcopal, St. Albans and Georgetown Prep -- I remember Roy Hibbert from his senior year in HS and his freshman year at GU. JT2 was kind when he bestowed the name "The Big Stiff" to Roy. Roy, as I imagine most 7'+ teens, had some challenges growing into his frame. Frankly Watara looked ok in the Super 8 video ... he definitely had better post moves than Bigfoot. 2 years of conditioning, coaching and cultural acclimation will pay huge dividends. Tacko Fall's stats at UCF are enough for me to say, sign this kid up ... or at least keep close to him for the next 18 months. This guy could be legendary in every sense of the word. If he can get into some sort of basketball shape, you just can't stop a 7'5 guy. Kudos to Asst. Coach Jimmy Dolan for this find.
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Post by daymondmyles on Dec 12, 2016 13:59:27 GMT -5
Honest question. Has anybody on here actually seen him play or are we all speculating that he is terrible based on the fact he's not playing?
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Post by practice on Dec 12, 2016 14:03:05 GMT -5
Honest question. Has anybody on here actually seen him play or are we all speculating that he is terrible based on the fact he's not playing? It doesn't appear he's gotten on the court yet ... at least from the Bullis results posted on the Washington Post's website. We only have the "film", posted above. Also, Bullis has not posted it's 16-17 roster yet, so I'm not sure it's even been confirmed that he's on team.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 12, 2016 16:31:32 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure why this guy is causing so much discussion. If he's 7'5, and he can play basketball, you try to take him on as as walk on - if there's really a Dikembe connection, maybe that alone is enough to draw interest. If he turns out to develop quickly into a real player, then you recruit him. If it's abundantly obvious he's never going to play Division 1 basketball, then you don't bother.
I am all for not blowing a shot at a guy who could become something big (no pun intended), but right now, there's basically zero evidence he even plays basketball (aside from his participation in a summer program). My suggestion would be watch the guy, talk to Dikembe, and let it pan out.
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Post by thejerseytornado on Dec 12, 2016 18:32:27 GMT -5
So for all we know, he might be good at basketball and might just be hurt or not eligible until next semester or something? This site is hilarious.
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Post by trillesthoya on Dec 12, 2016 21:25:38 GMT -5
So for all we know, he might be good at basketball and might just be hurt or not eligible until next semester or something? This site is hilarious. Literally all we have from him is a 12 pixel video of him taking free throws and washington post reports on Bullis games and yet people are trying to debate whether we should offer him, take him as a walk on or brush him aside. Oh, Hoyatalk.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 13, 2016 0:45:40 GMT -5
So for all we know, he might be good at basketball and might just be hurt or not eligible until next semester or something? This site is hilarious. He's eligible and he has started to play a little for Bullis. Right now he's just a giant space eater on defense and barely gets up and down the floor, hence why he barely plays. Yet we have people insisting that we offer him NOW.
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Post by turbohoya on Dec 13, 2016 8:18:14 GMT -5
So for all we know, he might be good at basketball and might just be hurt or not eligible until next semester or something? This site is hilarious. He's eligible and he has started to play a little for Bullis. Right now he's just a giant space eater on defense and barely gets up and down the floor, hence why he barely plays. Yet we have people insisting that we offer him NOW. There are two-three players a year in college basketball that size on any given year - we happen to have one in our back yard and with a connection to the university... Every year we have scholarship players that get little time to no floor time, because playing 13 players is very difficult. With that in mind I don't see the harm in using a scholarship on someone who may get no burn for two years but could develop into a very useful and destructive force... or not... Many were happy to see Bradley back for a 5th season because he had developed into something useful. All I need is evidence that the kid wants to work - so don't offer him now just because he is 7'5", offer him now if he is 7'5" and wants to run through a wall to get better at basketball...
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 16, 2016 21:46:55 GMT -5
To be fair, he scored his first points tonight (was fouled on a rebound), and he had a shockingly nice free throw stroke. Nailed both of them. (AND NO, THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE SHOULD GET AN OFFER)
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Post by prhoya on Dec 17, 2016 1:05:08 GMT -5
he had a shockingly nice free throw stroke. Like in the video?
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 17, 2016 1:12:05 GMT -5
he had a shockingly nice free throw stroke. Like in the video? Looked a little smoother than in the video. Nice arc, repeatable. He's practiced at it. Problem is, right now he only looks good on things like free throws, where the game has drastically slowed or stopped entirely.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 17, 2016 1:15:35 GMT -5
Looked a little smoother than in the video. Nice arc, repeatable. He's practiced at it. Problem is, right now he only looks good on things like free throws, where the game has drastically slowed or stopped entirely. Are you suggesting planting him behind the FT stripe? He's a junior, so let's see how he develops. BTW, thanks for your recap! Live is better than video.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 19, 2016 9:58:56 GMT -5
Agree with others that IF he is a maniac as to work ethic and really wants to be at GU, TAKE HIM now. He could be a bust- so what? I am more than fine taking that risk. I would consider redshirting him as well. That would mean he would not see the court until late 2019. In essence, if they did use a redshirt, the team would be hoping that he can make an impact from 2019-2022. I think that is a fair risk to take on a 7'5" guy with some semblance of promise and some connections to Deke. Just my opinion.
POD- when he is in position, can he rebound at all? Thanks.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 19, 2016 10:04:03 GMT -5
Guys like this will be abused in the PnR.
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 19, 2016 13:29:22 GMT -5
Yeah but is that really a huge problem in the college game? If you are tall and slow you can back off and just let the college centers try to hurt you from 17 feet. Not too many are effective from there.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 19, 2016 14:06:32 GMT -5
I think the way the game has been evolving, slow, lumbering big men don't really have a valuable place in the game. You need players to step out and defend screen actions. Few traditional centers exist. A lot of 5s can stroke it.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 19, 2016 14:15:00 GMT -5
At 7'5" though, you don't need to be aggressively stopping the pop. That length lets you play off the shooter and picker, yet still disrupt their sight line if they shoot. We'll need more game tape on Watara before we know if he has good defensive fundamentals and uses his size.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Dec 19, 2016 14:47:16 GMT -5
JTIII came to see him play yesterday and he got on the floor for about a minute in a game Bullis was winning by 10+ the whole time.
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