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Post by hoyanewyorka on Jul 17, 2019 5:30:46 GMT -5
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Post by wahoohoya on Jul 17, 2019 6:40:57 GMT -5
No glass being shattered. I said "I'd like to think" - which is different from "UVA WOULD NEVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT!". Either way, I'm not suggesting anything all that different from what you are laying out. Bennett telling a kid like Anthony that he isn't going to play is in effect telling him he should transfer. I guess I don't see that as "dirty hands" in the way I thought you were suggesting - similar to how other programs may conduct business by not really giving a player a say in the matter. I appreciate the additional color you gave on that. So while I understand any program can in effect push a kid out the door one way or the other, you are still speculating here on Marco Anthony. That's all I'm really saying. He was almost certainly going to transfer out with our without interest from Sam Hauser (and yeah, I guess I'm speculating too, but it was obvious). Fact is, UVA still only has 12 true scholarship players on its roster for 2019-2020 (they have a walk on who was given a scholarship last year that you might be counting as #13, but that scholarship would have come with the understanding that it wouldn't be renewed the following year if the need arose).
In any event, Anthony transferring out certainly did make it more likely UVA would take Hauser, because they would have been in a bind for 2020 if that didn't happen. And they are still showing interest in Coleman - which supports your core argument. I tend to view it as "the scholarship situation tends to work itself out", but I'd still like to think that it mostly works out based on the best interests of all parties involved rather than forcing kids to leave if they really want to stay. Splitting hairs, I know. I'm not going to tie up this thread any further (some people on here can get very emotional about that) but there is a whole lot of mix messages to unpack here. One point your saying that I'm speculating on Anthony but the next statement your agreeing that his transfer opened up the opportunity for Hauser. I'm someone who doesn't believe in coincidences. The timing of Hauser announcing his departure from Marquette (who was immediately linked to Virginia) and Virginia finding a scholarship for him is to rich to just be smoke. Maybe there was going to be discussion between Bennett and Anthony about options before Hauser announced his transfer plans but I think Anthony's situation was pretty one-sided when Hauser became available. It goes both way when the student athlete blindsides the coach by requesting his release to transfer like I'm sure the Hauser brothers did to Wojo at Marquette. On the walk-on that was given a scholarship, there is no such thing in basketball as a true scholarship player. Either your getting a scholly or not. They all count equally towards the 13 total. Also you know how big of a D**k move that would be to give a walk on a scholarship, do the press media about all his hard work to garner good will and then pull the scholly the next season. In my 20 plus years of working in college athletics, I don't think I can ever recall a walk on being elevated to scholarship status and then pulling back the scholly the next year. I don't see Bennett being that type dirtbag. Calipari absolutey, Coach K probably because his image/status is Teflon. You actually validated my point by stating Virginia's continued pursuit of Coleman. If he was to commit that would put Virginia a scholarship over and signal someone is leaving at some point during or after this upcoming season. I don't believe Virginia has any known 2020 NBA underclassmen draft commodities on the roster so that is effectively kicking someone out of the program a year in advance... Ugh. The timing wasn't suspicious at all - the transfer announcements all happen right after the season ends. And many UVA "insiders" thought the early UVA linkage to the Hausers was one-sided on the part of the Hausers, but of course Bennett would pay attention. If you want to see it as something dirty about UVA, then so be it. But I'm calling it out as pure speculation where I don't see the actual situation supporting what you'd like to believe happened in this instance. Walk-ons - I'll stick to the facts. Austin Katstra, as a second year walk-on, was given a scholarship last year. If Bennett intended for him to remain on scholarship his final two years, then UVA is already over the scholarship limit for 2020-2021. I'm sure Austin is appreciative of saving one or two years tuition over the "embarrassment" of having that scholarship not renewed either of his final two years. I see that as a gesture to Austin - not a dirt bag move (as long as it was clearly communicated up front - which it wouldn't be for a recruited scholarship player - so yeah, I see a difference in scholarship players). Coleman - I said I was supporting your argument. I just don't think that happened with Anthony. If you re-read my last post, you may see that I was mostly agreeing with your core premise. But yeah, I don't want to hijack this thread further, so let's move on.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 17, 2019 7:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 17, 2019 8:55:42 GMT -5
What do people know about Kenneth Loftin Jr? Thanks in advance.
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Post by wponds on Jul 17, 2019 9:04:40 GMT -5
What do people know about Kenneth Loftin Jr? Thanks in advance. Some of his other offers as of July 5:
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 17, 2019 9:31:45 GMT -5
He might not want for me to call him a big man, but in today’s game, he is one and I came away heavily impressed with all that Henry Coleman accomplished at the adidas Summer Championship last weekend. While he is more of a tweener at the power forward position, Coleman is a productive ballplayer that gets the job done each time out. Finding consistency in a hard-playing, competitive and energized prospect is never easy to find; toss in his intangibles and leadership qualities and there is not a whole lot to not like about the Richmond native. I am not the only one that feels this way as Arizona State and then Duke offered him over the weekend. Virginia was the perceived favorite for him and remain in the picture despite landing the commitment of Abdur-Rahim. Michigan has picked things up with him and NC State and Virginia Tech are two others to keep tabs on for when a cut list is made in the coming weeks. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/wednesday-s-leftovers-deivon-smith-virginia-illinois
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Post by ewingitrust on Jul 17, 2019 16:00:05 GMT -5
Its becoming clear alot of schools are really attempting to recruit the DMV hard. I think we'll always get our share of local recruits but some recruits may want to leave the DMV...i think the staff is being savvy in recruiting the south. Outside of Kentucky, Florida, Memphis with Penny now...there is alot of talent in texas, alabama, arkansas, louisiana and mississippi who may be attracted to the lore of living in our nations Capitol and playing in MSG....and that attraction may have more sway in those southern states vs some recruits who are in our backyard. Schools are scouring talent nationwide...and i think Gtown is one of those schools who can recruit anywhere. Just a thought lol...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 17, 2019 16:21:39 GMT -5
What’s Kenneth’s connection to Anthony Allen?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 17, 2019 16:24:32 GMT -5
What’s Kenneth’s connection to Anthony Allen? Not sure what the direct connection is, but both are from Port Arthur, TX so it's possible that they know each other.
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Post by wponds on Jul 17, 2019 17:15:55 GMT -5
And I assume he is not Kenny Lofton's (MLB) son?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 17, 2019 17:21:18 GMT -5
And I assume he is not Kenny Lofton's (MLB) son? Correct, it doesn't seem like he is.
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Post by hoyas315 on Jul 17, 2019 17:25:30 GMT -5
And I assume he is not Kenny Lofton's (MLB) son? Correct, it doesn't seem like he is. I don’t know if he is but I know Kenny Lofton was a heck of a basketball player too. PG for 1988 final four team.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 17, 2019 20:24:42 GMT -5
Correct, it doesn't seem like he is. I don’t know if he is but I know Kenny Lofton was a heck of a basketball player too. PG for 1988 final four team. Not a bad baseball player, either.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 17, 2019 21:58:17 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 18, 2019 6:29:03 GMT -5
Pat and company are out there finding these players; kudos once again.
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Post by justsaying on Jul 18, 2019 12:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 18, 2019 12:54:46 GMT -5
It would be nice to land a ‘20 kid early to gain some momentum. No need to reach or worry, as we do really well late as players transfer and decommit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 8:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 9:45:32 GMT -5
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Post by hoyanewyorka on Jul 20, 2019 21:47:56 GMT -5
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