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Post by bkhoya on Jul 13, 2019 22:48:54 GMT -5
I like this. I've wondered why him and the other kid from St Johns hadn't received more attention from the staff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 8:23:29 GMT -5
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Javonte Brown, C, Canada Elite:
Brown is an impressive post prospect who has a tremendous frame including very good size for the position, wide shoulders and long arms. He is a mobile kid who is a decent athlete and should only improve as he adds strength to a body that should be able to carry plenty of it. Brown has soft touch around the basket, while he has the physical tools to be a legitimate rim protector and area rebounder as he gains strength and experience. There is definitely a high upside here.
Recruiting: Brown holds offers from Denver, Georgetown, Oklahoma, Ohio, Seton Hall, Tulane and Wisconsin.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 14, 2019 8:24:25 GMT -5
Was expecting the staff to offer Ware for a while now...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 15, 2019 0:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by wahoohoya on Jul 15, 2019 3:01:23 GMT -5
Guy staying in the draft is why UVA had room for Hauser. Actually Marco Anthony's transfer is what opened up the space for Sam Hauser. Hauser announced his desire to transfer from Marquette on April 15 and was immediately tied to Virginia. Guy announced he was staying in the draft one week later on April 22. With Guy officially in the draft, Virginia was at 13 schollys, the maximum allotment all accounted for. The same day (April 22) Virginia announced that Anthony entered the transfer portal potentially opening a scholarship. On May 28 Hauser announced he was coming to Virginia. Marco Anthony officially committed to Utah State on June 14th officially bringing Virginia's scholarship numbers back down to the maximum allotted 13... What are you suggesting - that UVA pushed Anthony out the door? That’s a leap. Transfers happen. Writing was on the wall with Anthony all season that he was a likely transfer candidate. Seems like a great kid but not really high major caliber and was going to be tough for him to get minutes. Bennett does what I’m sure most coaches do after the season ends - gives an honest assessment of what kids need to work on and where they stand. I’m sure Anthony was told his prospects for meaningful playing time weren’t great. But that’s not the same thing as showing a player the door. I’d like to think that if Anthony wanted to ride the bench he had that option. Either way, the “dirty hands” talk seems like pure speculation.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 15, 2019 10:11:46 GMT -5
Recruitment: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgetown, Illinois, Memphis, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and others would love to have him. Why he could rise: Murrell is as explosive as they come along the baseline and has a tremendous first step. He is able to punish defenders physically, finishes above the rim in traffic and competes on both ends. What he's done best, though, is hone his jump shooting from 15 to 23 feet. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/bossi-s-best-a-dozen-spring-stock-boostersIt didn’t bring much fanfare or national notoriety, but the hiring of Faragi Phillips at Vanderbilt could potentially lead to a commitment of a four-star guard. Phillips comes to the SEC program after coaching four years at Whitehaven High School, a talent laden program in Memphis that has continually produced high-major talent. The next in line is Matthew Murrell. Many would assume that by hiring Phillips, the commitment of Murrell, a prospect that has only known Phillips as his high school coach, might be next. That will not be the case, at least that is what he told Rivals.com. Am I saying that Vanderbilt will not win out? No, because even I put a Future Cast prediction in for the Commodores with Murrell. However, Murrell feels no pressure to commit to Vanderbilt. He told Rivals.com earlier this spring that six schools were standing out within his recruitment and the Commodores were not one of them. His leaders were Florida, Iowa State, Memphis, NC State, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. I expect his recruitment to bleed into the fall with official visits taken along the way. Murrell is the type of player Vanderbilt coach Jerry Stackhouse needs to get, though, as his competitive DNA, shot making and defensive prowess would do well in reigniting a program that is currently on a 20-game losing streak. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/three-point-play-washington-s-big-class-memphis-on-deck-vandy-hireHis play: Simply put, Murrell was a monster over the final two days at UAA while leading his Team Thad squad to a championship win. Look, he's always been a big-time athlete but when he's hitting shots and handling the ball like he was the last couple of days, he's on another level and he looks like a potential All-Conference type talent wherever he ends up. His recruitment: Jerry Stackhouse has made him a major priority at Vanderbilt (he even hired Murrell's high school coach) while Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgetown, Memphis, Mississippi State, Ole Miss and Tennessee among others are involved to one extent or another. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/uaa-finals-bossi-s-all-tournament
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 15, 2019 19:59:46 GMT -5
No doubt Tristan Maxwell learned from the best on how to begin shooting as soon as you enter the gym.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 16, 2019 10:55:43 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 16, 2019 10:57:49 GMT -5
Actually Marco Anthony's transfer is what opened up the space for Sam Hauser. Hauser announced his desire to transfer from Marquette on April 15 and was immediately tied to Virginia. Guy announced he was staying in the draft one week later on April 22. With Guy officially in the draft, Virginia was at 13 schollys, the maximum allotment all accounted for. The same day (April 22) Virginia announced that Anthony entered the transfer portal potentially opening a scholarship. On May 28 Hauser announced he was coming to Virginia. Marco Anthony officially committed to Utah State on June 14th officially bringing Virginia's scholarship numbers back down to the maximum allotted 13... What are you suggesting - that UVA pushed Anthony out the door? That’s a leap. Transfers happen. Writing was on the wall with Anthony all season that he was a likely transfer candidate. Seems like a great kid but not really high major caliber and was going to be tough for him to get minutes. Bennett does what I’m sure most coaches do after the season ends - gives an honest assessment of what kids need to work on and where they stand. I’m sure Anthony was told his prospects for meaningful playing time weren’t great. But that’s not the same thing as showing a player the door. I’d like to think that if Anthony wanted to ride the bench he had that option. Either way, the “dirty hands” talk seems like pure speculation. Sorry to shatter the glass for you but every program pushes recruits out the door in some form or fashion at some point. Some are much more egregious about it like Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky, other are very sensitive to their image and are bit more selective in when, who and how they push recruits out the door. A program like Virginia is much more tactical in how they accomplish this task. They like many schools will employ a passive aggressive method that includes minimizing or completely eliminating playing time during the season and then maybe they will over recruit that players position during and post season. So when it comes time for the end of the year meeting, the head coach will encourage you to transfer by saying I'm not sure there is a path to playing time for you in the next season but we will still love to have you. If that doesn't work, the staff will begin passively shun you in workouts, limiting your reps until the writing is clear that it's time for you to leave. That passive methodology. Some Coaches will be much more direct at the end of the season and say they will help you find the right place where you can maximize your opportunities, especially if they have an opportunity at an immediate impact freshman or high level transfer. Almost every college program at some point will passively or aggressively recoup a scholarship this way. It's much uglier at the D2, NAIA levels, and at the D3 that doesn't offer athletic scholarships but financial grants and aid they will just take away grant money. There's a reason they made college athletic scholarships one year renewable instead of a flat guaranteed four years. It's not as if a coach is breaking the rules by "pushing a player out of the program". The player if informed, knows his scholarship is a year to year deal. It may look and feel a little unseemly but it's the cost of doing business in college athletics. Everybody loves eating sausages and hotdogs, nobody wants to know or see how they were made...
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Post by hoyas4lyfe on Jul 16, 2019 17:20:01 GMT -5
Plays for Rick Brunson. IMO he try’s to play too much like a guard even when against smaller defenders but he does have some great athleticism and potential
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Post by wahoohoya on Jul 16, 2019 22:21:51 GMT -5
What are you suggesting - that UVA pushed Anthony out the door? That’s a leap. Transfers happen. Writing was on the wall with Anthony all season that he was a likely transfer candidate. Seems like a great kid but not really high major caliber and was going to be tough for him to get minutes. Bennett does what I’m sure most coaches do after the season ends - gives an honest assessment of what kids need to work on and where they stand. I’m sure Anthony was told his prospects for meaningful playing time weren’t great. But that’s not the same thing as showing a player the door. I’d like to think that if Anthony wanted to ride the bench he had that option. Either way, the “dirty hands” talk seems like pure speculation. Sorry to shatter the glass for you but every program pushes recruits out the door in some form or fashion at some point. Some are much more egregious about it like Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky, other are very sensitive to their image and are bit more selective in when, who and how they push recruits out the door. A program like Virginia is much more tactical in how they accomplish this task. They like many schools will employ a passive aggressive method that includes minimizing or completely eliminating playing time during the season and then maybe they will over recruit that players position during and post season. So when it comes time for the end of the year meeting, the head coach will encourage you to transfer by saying I'm not sure there is a path to playing time for you in the next season but we will still love to have you. If that doesn't work, the staff will begin passively shun you in workouts, limiting your reps until the writing is clear that it's time for you to leave. That passive methodology. Some Coaches will be much more direct at the end of the season and say they will help you find the right place where you can maximize your opportunities, especially if they have an opportunity at an immediate impact freshman or high level transfer. Almost every college program at some point will passively or aggressively recoup a scholarship this way. It's much uglier at the D2, NAIA levels, and at the D3 that doesn't offer athletic scholarships but financial grants and aid they will just take away grant money. There's a reason they made college athletic scholarships one year renewable instead of a flat guaranteed four years. It's not as if a coach is breaking the rules by "pushing a player out of the program". The player if informed, knows his scholarship is a year to year deal. It may look and feel a little unseemly but it's the cost of doing business in college athletics. Everybody loves eating sausages and hotdogs, nobody wants to know or see how they were made... No glass being shattered. I said "I'd like to think" - which is different from "UVA WOULD NEVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT!". Either way, I'm not suggesting anything all that different from what you are laying out. Bennett telling a kid like Anthony that he isn't going to play is in effect telling him he should transfer. I guess I don't see that as "dirty hands" in the way I thought you were suggesting - similar to how other programs may conduct business by not really giving a player a say in the matter. I appreciate the additional color you gave on that. So while I understand any program can in effect push a kid out the door one way or the other, you are still speculating here on Marco Anthony. That's all I'm really saying. He was almost certainly going to transfer out with our without interest from Sam Hauser (and yeah, I guess I'm speculating too, but it was obvious). Fact is, UVA still only has 12 true scholarship players on its roster for 2019-2020 (they have a walk on who was given a scholarship last year that you might be counting as #13, but that scholarship would have come with the understanding that it wouldn't be renewed the following year if the need arose). In any event, Anthony transferring out certainly did make it more likely UVA would take Hauser, because they would have been in a bind for 2020 if that didn't happen. And they are still showing interest in Coleman - which supports your core argument. I tend to view it as "the scholarship situation tends to work itself out", but I'd still like to think that it mostly works out based on the best interests of all parties involved rather than forcing kids to leave if they really want to stay. Splitting hairs, I know.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 17, 2019 1:10:48 GMT -5
Sorry to shatter the glass for you but every program pushes recruits out the door in some form or fashion at some point. Some are much more egregious about it like Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky, other are very sensitive to their image and are bit more selective in when, who and how they push recruits out the door. A program like Virginia is much more tactical in how they accomplish this task. They like many schools will employ a passive aggressive method that includes minimizing or completely eliminating playing time during the season and then maybe they will over recruit that players position during and post season. So when it comes time for the end of the year meeting, the head coach will encourage you to transfer by saying I'm not sure there is a path to playing time for you in the next season but we will still love to have you. If that doesn't work, the staff will begin passively shun you in workouts, limiting your reps until the writing is clear that it's time for you to leave. That passive methodology. Some Coaches will be much more direct at the end of the season and say they will help you find the right place where you can maximize your opportunities, especially if they have an opportunity at an immediate impact freshman or high level transfer. Almost every college program at some point will passively or aggressively recoup a scholarship this way. It's much uglier at the D2, NAIA levels, and at the D3 that doesn't offer athletic scholarships but financial grants and aid they will just take away grant money. There's a reason they made college athletic scholarships one year renewable instead of a flat guaranteed four years. It's not as if a coach is breaking the rules by "pushing a player out of the program". The player if informed, knows his scholarship is a year to year deal. It may look and feel a little unseemly but it's the cost of doing business in college athletics. Everybody loves eating sausages and hotdogs, nobody wants to know or see how they were made... No glass being shattered. I said "I'd like to think" - which is different from "UVA WOULD NEVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT!". Either way, I'm not suggesting anything all that different from what you are laying out. Bennett telling a kid like Anthony that he isn't going to play is in effect telling him he should transfer. I guess I don't see that as "dirty hands" in the way I thought you were suggesting - similar to how other programs may conduct business by not really giving a player a say in the matter. I appreciate the additional color you gave on that. So while I understand any program can in effect push a kid out the door one way or the other, you are still speculating here on Marco Anthony. That's all I'm really saying. He was almost certainly going to transfer out with our without interest from Sam Hauser (and yeah, I guess I'm speculating too, but it was obvious). Fact is, UVA still only has 12 true scholarship players on its roster for 2019-2020 (they have a walk on who was given a scholarship last year that you might be counting as #13, but that scholarship would have come with the understanding that it wouldn't be renewed the following year if the need arose).
In any event, Anthony transferring out certainly did make it more likely UVA would take Hauser, because they would have been in a bind for 2020 if that didn't happen. And they are still showing interest in Coleman - which supports your core argument. I tend to view it as "the scholarship situation tends to work itself out", but I'd still like to think that it mostly works out based on the best interests of all parties involved rather than forcing kids to leave if they really want to stay. Splitting hairs, I know. I'm not going to tie up this thread any further (some people on here can get very emotional about that) but there is a whole lot of mix messages to unpack here. One point your saying that I'm speculating on Anthony but the next statement your agreeing that his transfer opened up the opportunity for Hauser. I'm someone who doesn't believe in coincidences. The timing of Hauser announcing his departure from Marquette (who was immediately linked to Virginia) and Virginia finding a scholarship for him is to rich to just be smoke. Maybe there was going to be discussion between Bennett and Anthony about options before Hauser announced his transfer plans but I think Anthony's situation was pretty one-sided when Hauser became available. It goes both way when the student athlete blindsides the coach by requesting his release to transfer like I'm sure the Hauser brothers did to Wojo at Marquette. On the walk-on that was given a scholarship, there is no such thing in basketball as a true scholarship player. Either your getting a scholly or not. They all count equally towards the 13 total. Also you know how big of a D**k move that would be to give a walk on a scholarship, do the press media about all his hard work to garner good will and then pull the scholly the next season. In my 20 plus years of working in college athletics, I don't think I can ever recall a walk on being elevated to scholarship status and then pulling back the scholly the next year. I don't see Bennett being that type dirtbag. Calipari absolutey, Coach K probably because his image/status is Teflon. You actually validated my point by stating Virginia's continued pursuit of Coleman. If he was to commit that would put Virginia a scholarship over and signal someone is leaving at some point during or after this upcoming season. I don't believe Virginia has any known 2020 NBA underclassmen draft commodities on the roster so that is effectively kicking someone out of the program a year in advance...
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