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Post by tashoya on Sept 22, 2021 23:32:09 GMT -5
How incredibly depressing is it that, in 2021, a thread entitled, "All Votes Matter," couldn't be more relevant and that the situation on that front seems to be devolving to boot? How are we not better than this? How do we do better?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 28, 2021 14:04:56 GMT -5
People that use "POC" to describe Texas Hispanics probably don't know Texas very well.
The black population in Texas is 12%, about the national average - primarily in Dallas and Houston, but just 8% of Austin due to ongoing gentrification and not much elsewhere. By contrast the Hispanic population is roughly 42%, and counts everyone from the newest immigrants to sixth and seventh generation Texans who don't even have relatives outside the state. It's not a voting bloc. The longstanding Hispanic presence in TX has built a degree of familiarity that Hispanics are just as "Texan" as anyone else, as compared to the anti-immigrant sentiments in California in the 1970's and 1980's that gutted the Republican party there.
From Politico: "Ross Barrera, a retired U.S. Army colonel and chair of the Starr County Republican Party, put it this way: “It’s the national media that uses ‘Latino.’ It bundles us up with Florida, Doral, Miami. But those places are different than South Texas, and South Texas is different than Los Angeles. Here, people don’t say we’re Mexican American. We say we’re Tejanos.” It allowed Trump to carry the Rio Grande Valley and get enough votes to counteract the stronger Democratic presence in the Dallas and Houston metro areas. (FWIW, "Hispanic" is more common in Texas than "Tejanos", and few use the phrases "Latino" or "Chicano". And unless you're a college professor, Latinx isn't even a phrase.)
If the Democrats took TX seriously, winning the state would shut down any electoral path for Republicans. But because the Rio Grande Valley is traditionally conservative, it's a different approach for Democrats than labeling it "POC".
"Where did you say your family is from?" "Texas." "No, before that?" "Texas." "No, like before America?" "Texas."
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Post by tashoya on Sept 28, 2021 14:10:59 GMT -5
People that use "POC" to describe Texas Hispanics probably don't know Texas very well. The black population in Texas is 12%, about the national average - primarily in Dallas and Houston, but just 8% of Austin due to ongoing gentrification and not much elsewhere. By contrast the Hispanic population is roughly 42%, and counts everyone from the newest immigrants to sixth and seventh generation Texans who don't speak Spanish and don't even have relatives outside the state. It's not a voting bloc. The longstanding Hispanic presence in TX has built a degree of familiarity that Hispanics are just as "Texan" as anyone else, as compared to the anti-immigrant sentiments in California in the 1970's and 1980's that gutted the Republican party there. From Politico: " Ross Barrera, a retired U.S. Army colonel and chair of the Starr County Republican Party, put it this way: “It’s the national media that uses ‘Latino.’ It bundles us up with Florida, Doral, Miami. But those places are different than South Texas, and South Texas is different than Los Angeles. Here, people don’t say we’re Mexican American. We say we’re Tejanos.” It allowed Trump to carry the Rio Grande Valley and get enough votes to counteract the stronger Democratic presence in the Dallas and Houston metro areas. (FWIW, "Hispanic" is more common in Texas than "Tejanos", and few use the phrases "Latino" or "Chicano", the latter of which is from California.) If the Democrats took TX seriously, winning the state would shut down any electoral path for Republicans. But because the Rio Grande Valley is traditionally conservative, it's a different approach for Democrats than labeling it "POC". www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/17/trump-latinos-south-texas-tejanos-437027Juxtaposed with this from the above-linked article: Domingo Garcia, national president of the League of United Latin American Citizens was dismayed that Hispanics, who drove much of the state's population increase over the decade, growing by nearly 2 million people, would have less opportunity to elect the candidates of their choice under the proposed map. "This map is clearly gerrymandered by politicians to protect incumbents and totally discriminate against Hispanic voters," he said. " LULAC has filed suit against the state of Texas every 10 years since 1970 and we’ve prevailed every 10 years. Unless there’s new maps drawn, we expect we will wind up in federal court again."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 16:14:16 GMT -5
How does this make our Government better?
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Post by tashoya on Oct 4, 2021 19:07:55 GMT -5
How does this make our Government better? Also, how anyone can construe this as anything other than blatant racism or attempt to rationalize it in some way is baffling. Actually, I guess baffling is the wrong word. Disgusting and abhorrent would have been better choices.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 4, 2021 21:11:24 GMT -5
Also, how anyone can construe this as anything other than blatant racism or attempt to rationalize it in some way is baffling. Actually, I guess baffling is the wrong word. Disgusting and abhorrent would have been better choices. In the case of TX-24, this was never a POC district (57% White, 16% Hispanic, 14% Black, and 10% Asian). The map cuts out the working class suburb of Farmers Branch (38% white, 45% Hispanic, 0.7% black) and dropped wealthier North Carrollton (63% white, 30% Hispanic, 8% Black, 13% Asian) for the fringes of western Tarrant County (93% White, 4% Hispanic, 1% black, 1% Asian) This protects a wobbly Republican seat (Beth Van Duyne) in an area that has become more suburban. The Democratic candidate, Candace Valenzuela, is a Farmers Branch school board member, so moving Farmers Branch out of TX-24 takes her out as a candidate. Ari Berman sees Texas from the long lens of New York--never a good idea. Because instead of throwing out the racism card, sometimes it's more about protecting someone's turf.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 4, 2021 22:07:02 GMT -5
Also, how anyone can construe this as anything other than blatant racism or attempt to rationalize it in some way is baffling. Actually, I guess baffling is the wrong word. Disgusting and abhorrent would have been better choices. In the case of TX-24, this was never a POC district (57% White, 16% Hispanic, 14% Black, and 10% Asian). The map cuts out the working class suburb of Farmers Branch (38% white, 45% Hispanic, 0.7% black) and dropped wealthier North Carrollton (63% white, 30% Hispanic, 8% Black, 13% Asian) for the fringes of western Tarrant County (93% White, 4% Hispanic, 1% black, 1% Asian) This protects a wobbly Republican seat (Beth Van Duyne) in an area that has become more suburban. The Democratic candidate, Candace Valenzuela, is a Farmers Branch school board member, so moving Farmers Branch out of TX-24 takes her out as a candidate. Ari Berman sees Texas from the long lens of New York--never a good idea. Because instead of throwing out the racism card, sometimes it's more about protecting someone's turf. I don't think you're making the point you think you're making.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 4, 2021 22:22:04 GMT -5
I don't think you're making the point you think you're making. No, I'm aware of the point that gerrymandering is a CYA move to protect Republican seats. Ari Berman's framing Texas redistricting as a revolt against POC continues to be misleading given the way the Hispanic population in Texas is aligned differently than in other states.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 4, 2021 22:32:05 GMT -5
I don't think you're making the point you think you're making. No, I'm aware of the point that gerrymandering is a CYA move to protect Republican seats. Ari Berman's framing Texas redistricting as a revolt against POC continues to be misleading given the way the Hispanic population in Texas is aligned differently than in other states. Let me see if I'm understanding you. Is your contention that in Texas, the redistricting is strictly based on voting history and not on demographics?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 4, 2021 23:34:33 GMT -5
Let me see if I'm understanding you. Is your contention that in Texas, the redistricting is strictly based on voting history and not on demographics? It's both, but my point is specific to TX-24, because this was never going to be a minority district but could swing Democratic, as does TX-32, which went from +16 Romney in 2012 to +10 Biden in 2020 in a majority white district nicknamed the Telecom Corridor. The larger redistricting issues are outside Dallas because the argument is that there should be more Black and Hispanic seats in San Antonio and Houston when Hispanic numbers have increased. However, Republicans are squeezing districts because the Hispanic population is often diffuse across regions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 18:54:30 GMT -5
Amazing the lengths Republicans are willing to go in order to make voting harder, or in this case impossible, for people they don't think will vote for them.
Truly disgusting.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 7, 2021 19:41:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 16:00:35 GMT -5
You're never going to believe this but...
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Post by tashoya on Oct 21, 2021 21:30:27 GMT -5
Can we please change the title of this thread to, "All Votes Matter to Most of Us?"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 8:51:31 GMT -5
25k lmao
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Post by tashoya on Oct 22, 2021 9:09:40 GMT -5
Pathetic "Republicans" cheat and STILL lose. So sad. I guess Trump was right. You really did get tired of winning.
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 30, 2021 5:32:44 GMT -5
So much for academic freedom. This is chickensthi. MAGA GOPers are deplorable. Defend this HoyaTalk "Republicans". (Abbott and DeSantis are doing their level best to turn Texas and Florida into "s×+*hole" states). The University of Florida barred three faculty members from testifying for plaintiffs in a lawsuit challenging a voting-restrictions law enthusiastically embraced by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), which activists say makes it harder for racial minorities to vote, in a move that raises sharp concerns about academic freedom and free speech in the state. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/30/florida-voting-rights-desantis-lawsuit/
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