PE Jr and the Scholly

[PopeJohn2]

If we are short schollys, why would PE Jr need a scholly anyways? Daddy can certainly afford the tuition. Would giving him a scholly be a an ego thing? Why wouldnt the arrangement be that he can join the team but daddy has to pay the tuition?

And is there a limit to how many players you can have on a team, scholly limit aside?

Anyone know?

[RBHoya]

PopeJohn2 said:

If we are short schollys, why would PE Jr need a scholly anyways? Daddy can certainly afford the tuition. Would giving him a scholly be a an ego thing? Why wouldnt the arrangement be that he can join the team but daddy has to pay the tuition?

And is there a limit to how many players you can have on a team, scholly limit aside?

Anyone know?

First, there is a limit to how many players you can dress for a game. I believe the limit is 15, but I may be wrong.

As for Ewing... I really dislike your argument, though you are not the first to mention it. The fact that "Daddy can certainly afford the tuition" does not mean that Patrick Ewing Sr. wants to drop close to 40,000 a year for his son to attend Georgetown for 3 years. It doesn't matter how much money you have, no one wants to drop that much money if they don't have to. Giving him a scholarship is not "an ego thing", it's simply the right thing to do for a player who figures to be a prominent contributor (and someone who's name will bring a lot of publicity [and hence money] to the program). If you don't think he'll benefit your program, don't offer him a roster spot; but don't suggest that he has to pay his own way just because his father is wealthy.

In my opinion, it's extremely, EXTREMELY greedy for anyone to suggest that the Ewing family should pay their own way. That ain't how it goes. Ewing is a high enough level talent to warrant the scholarship, and to suggest that he shouldn't get one based on his family's background is just not right. 3 years of Georgetown tuition w/o any financial aid is a lot of money to spend for anyone. The implication that PE Sr. should just volunteer to pay that much money because he had a successful NBA career, and so that we can add an additional scholarship player is pretty ridiculous. Put yourself in the Ewing's position.... would you want to drop that much money when you have scholarship offers all over the place?

Don't be greedy.

[GUHoya07]

I'm still unclear about counters, wouldn't he count even if his father paid because he was a recruited player?

I think if you are recruited at any point you are a counter, and he was certainly recruited coming out of high school by many schools and then he was basically recruited again with the visit and everything.

So this may be a moot point.

[JohnJacquesLayup]

RBHoya said:

First, there is a limit to how many players you can dress for a game. I believe the limit is 15, but I may be wrong.

As for Ewing... I really dislike your argument, though you are not the first to mention it. The fact that "Daddy can certainly afford the tuition" does not mean that Patrick Ewing Sr. wants to drop close to 40,000 a year for his son to attend Georgetown for 3 years. It doesn't matter how much money you have, no one wants to drop that much money if they don't have to. Giving him a scholarship is not "an ego thing", it's simply the right thing to do for a player who figures to be a prominent contributor (and someone who's name will bring a lot of publicity [and hence money] to the program). If you don't think he'll benefit your program, don't offer him a roster spot; but don't suggest that he has to pay his own way just because his father is wealthy.

In my opinion, it's extremely, EXTREMELY greedy for anyone to suggest that the Ewing family should pay their own way. That ain't how it goes. Ewing is a high enough level talent to warrant the scholarship, and to suggest that he shouldn't get one based on his family's background is just not right. 3 years of Georgetown tuition w/o any financial aid is a lot of money to spend for anyone. The implication that PE Sr. should just volunteer to pay that much money because he had a successful NBA career, and so that we can add an additional scholarship player is pretty ridiculous. Put yourself in the Ewing's position.... would you want to drop that much money when you have scholarship offers all over the place?

Don't be greedy.

I agree completely. A good player gets a scholly, regardless of his economic standing just as a great student can qualify for scholarships without the real "need" for one.

[Jack]

I agree completely. A good player gets a scholly, regardless of his economic standing just as a great student can qualify for scholarships without the real "need" for one.

Not at Georgetown, or almost any other top tier institution. There is no such thing as merit aid. Only needy students and athletes get aid.

On the original subject, I agree with those who say that PE Jr. has to have a scholarship. I would not mind hearing that PE Sr. has given a substantial gift to the program in excess of what he is saving on tuition though.

[EasyEd]

I think we should give PE, Jr. a scholarship and expect PE, Sr. to drop $40M into the on-campus arena/convocation center kitty.

[Nitrorebel]

easyed said:

I think we should give PE, Jr. a scholarship and expect PE, Sr. to drop $40M into the on-campus arena/convocation center kitty.

LOL!! That's the best suggestion I've heard so far in the PE Jr. debate, and one we can all live with.

[PopeJohn2]

RBHoya said:

First, there is a limit to how many players you can dress for a game. I believe the limit is 15, but I may be wrong.

As for Ewing... I really dislike your argument, though you are not the first to mention it. The fact that "Daddy can certainly afford the tuition" does not mean that Patrick Ewing Sr. wants to drop close to 40,000 a year for his son to attend Georgetown for 3 years. It doesn't matter how much money you have, no one wants to drop that much money if they don't have to. Giving him a scholarship is not "an ego thing", it's simply the right thing to do for a player who figures to be a prominent contributor (and someone who's name will bring a lot of publicity [and hence money] to the program). If you don't think he'll benefit your program, don't offer him a roster spot; but don't suggest that he has to pay his own way just because his father is wealthy.

In my opinion, it's extremely, EXTREMELY greedy for anyone to suggest that the Ewing family should pay their own way. That ain't how it goes. Ewing is a high enough level talent to warrant the scholarship, and to suggest that he shouldn't get one based on his family's background is just not right. 3 years of Georgetown tuition w/o any financial aid is a lot of money to spend for anyone. The implication that PE Sr. should just volunteer to pay that much money because he had a successful NBA career, and so that we can add an additional scholarship player is pretty ridiculous. Put yourself in the Ewing's position.... would you want to drop that much money when you have scholarship offers all over the place?

Don't be greedy.

RB

If you read what I wrote (instead of reading into it) you would see that I wasnt saying that he shouldnt get a scholly because daddy is rich.

As I said, fact is we are short on schollys. If my calculations are correct, unless we drop some players, we now have no schollys left for '06. How can we expect to recruit Macklin, Summers, and all the other top tier players that will want to come here over the next few years? As PE Sr can easily afford the tuition, and assuming he still loves GU and wants to see it reemerge as a major power as quickly as possible, why not preserve a scholly spot so that we can land another valuable difference making recruit?

Put another way, if the NCAA allowed you to buy extra scholly spots for $40k, wouldnt we be doing that? By paying the tuition, PE Sr would be helping out the program in a way that no amount of donation could. He would be buying something you cannot buy. Get it?!

Schollys are scarce and it is critical we use each one wisely. In this rebuilding period, we have a lot of players now on scholly, who were recruited from a previous era, that wont see any PT in the coming years because we are attracting better players. PE Jr is certainly a good player but if I were PE Sr it would be a no brainer for me to volunteer to pay the tuition (in effect buying an unbuyable scholly spot) so that JTIII could recruit another player and speed the transition.

And since you seem so fixated on money and GREED, if I put myself in his place as you suggest, you should know that as a function of my net worth vs the Ewing Family, I reckon I donate about $200 million bucks per year to Hoyas Unlimited.

If you can understand this logic, then I guess the blind can be made to see.

[WilsonBlvdHoya]

By my calculation, there's one scholly left for the HS class of 2006. That's assuming two things: 1) No transfers out and 2) JW remains a walk-on....

See the bottom of the RECRUITING MASTER LIST thread with the sticky at the top of the main page for more clarification...

[Deleted]

I'm pretty sure this is a pointless conversation for a few reasons. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe once you receive a scholarship from an NCAA member institution for athletics at the D1 level, no matter where you go or what you do, as long as you are enrolled and playing somewhere you will count. That said, it remains unclear as to Junior's status next season in terms of counting/not counting against our limit. But once he comes back, regardless of whether we give him one or not he WILL count as a scholarship player for his two seasons in blue and grey.

[DFW HOYA]

The short version:

1. If a transfer receives any athletic aid in his residency (non-playing) year: he counts against the limit of 13.

2. If a transfer does not receive athletic aid in his residency (non-playing) year, he does not count against the aid limit, but will as soon as he joins the team.

My guess is he gets scholarship aid for 05-06.

[SFHoya99]

With Reed and Guibunda leaving, and no one else coming in this year, there's not a lot of reason for him NOT to get aid this year. For that matter, does this mean Owens is back?