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Post by SSHoya on Apr 5, 2017 12:35:35 GMT -5
Sub 6' guys are not one or two and done guys. Look at Yogi Ferrell. This is a four year guy in all likelihood. Ulis is the only one I can think of that wasn't four years. Isaiah Thomas of the Celtics only played three years at Washington before departing for the NBA. I think he is listed at 5' 9". Is Waters the next Thomas? I dunno. And neither does anyone else.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 5, 2017 12:51:26 GMT -5
I wasn't sure if Thomas was a 3 or four year guy. The point being, it is extremely rare. If I were modeling recruiting, I would pursue guys like this as well as PF and C prospects that are an inch or two smaller then the NBA profile. That likely buys you and extra year or two with that player. Alexander & Diallo from Kansas are good examples. Neither was a one and done prospect although both convinced themselves they were.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 5, 2017 13:29:45 GMT -5
Sub 6' guys are not one or two and done guys. Look at Yogi Ferrell. This is a four year guy in all likelihood. Ulis is the only one I can think of that wasn't four years. Isaiah Thomas of the Celtics only played three years at Washington before departing for the NBA. I think he is listed at 5' 9". Is Waters the next Thomas? I dunno. And neither does anyone else. Trey Burke and Kyle Lowry.....
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 5, 2017 13:30:34 GMT -5
I have no doubt that Patrick will ask for an opportunity to meet with Tremont and his dad, and make his pitch. And if it does not work out, he will quickly be released. In a show of good faith, it may not be a bad idea to go ahead & grant him the release right now and then ask for a visit.. This way going in they're both starting from scratch, Tremont being willing to listen after getting his release would be a good sign.. If he really has no interest in Georgetown any longer then he will just decline the offer from Ewing to come and visit him, and at that point the school will grant his release. I don't think anyone has done anything wrong at this point. I am sure Waters is anxious to get this decision over with, but he can't start playing basketball for anyone until he graduates high school anyways and there is so much back channel stuff that goes on these days in college hoops that if he really wants to play somewhere else he very well could have it all worked out at this point and is just waiting for the official release to go public with it.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 5, 2017 14:33:56 GMT -5
That is exactly why you wait to give him the release until after you have a chance to meet with him - if he has his mind made up on another school and you release him before you make an attempt to meet with him, he'll commit right away - and with signing day tomorrow you will never get the opportunity for the meeting.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 5, 2017 21:33:27 GMT -5
show us that you are capable at this job by getting this guy to re-commit! i know you can do it Pat!! the very first test and it will be a good indicator how he is gonna do as a coach here
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 5, 2017 22:15:46 GMT -5
show us that you are capable at this job by getting this guy to re-commit! i know you can do it Pat!! the very first test and it will be a good indicator how he is gonna do as a coach here So if he can't somehow reverse the decision of a kid who may have entirely moved on from Georgetown it is a bad indicator?? Hopefully that is not what you are saying.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 5, 2017 23:25:41 GMT -5
show us that you are capable at this job by getting this guy to re-commit! i know you can do it Pat!! the very first test and it will be a good indicator how he is gonna do as a coach here So if he can't somehow reverse the decision of a kid who may have entirely moved on from Georgetown it is a bad indicator?? Hopefully that is not what you are saying. Basically, what we are expecting out of PE is that he leverages his experiences and shiny resume from NBA to convince kids to come right? Tremont was someone who initially committed to us, but de-committed upon seeing the current status of the program. If PE can convince the kid from de-committing, it will speak volume about how he can convince star recruits to start coming back to us. As I said, this is his first challenge and a major task, convincing a kid who was deemed as a savior, to turn the ship around. Of course, even if he cannot successfully convince this kid to re-commit, that does not mean that PE's career as a HC here will be disastrous, but successfully convincing him will speak volume and will give reasons for us to be excited about. Might seem small to you, but to the major recruiting gurus, this can define the future of the program in the next 3 years at the very minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 5:59:33 GMT -5
It's silly to have any expectations here... If he can make it happen great, but odds are not close to good.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Apr 6, 2017 6:54:42 GMT -5
It's silly to have any expectations here... If he can make it happen great, but odds are not close to good. So you have low expectations here...
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Post by seaweed on Apr 6, 2017 7:30:12 GMT -5
So if he can't somehow reverse the decision of a kid who may have entirely moved on from Georgetown it is a bad indicator?? Hopefully that is not what you are saying. Basically, what we are expecting out of PE is that he leverages his experiences and shiny resume from NBA to convince kids to come right? Tremont was someone who initially committed to us, but de-committed upon seeing the current status of the program. If PE can convince the kid from de-committing, it will speak volume about how he can convince star recruits to start coming back to us. As I said, this is his first challenge and a major task, convincing a kid who was deemed as a savior, to turn the ship around. Of course, even if he cannot successfully convince this kid to re-commit, that does not mean that PE's career as a HC here will be disastrous, but successfully convincing him will speak volume and will give reasons for us to be excited about. Might seem small to you, but to the major recruiting gurus, this can define the future of the program in the next 3 years at the very minimum. We all want to see this happen, but your premise that Tremont decommitted because of the coaching system may not be accurate. For all we know, he may have decommitted for any number of other reasons, like another school becoming more attractive, not wanted to travel from home, where his girlfriend is going to school, Etc. The best analogy is to breaking up with a girl. Sometimes you do it because something about the girl has changed and you don't like her anymore. But sometimes you do it because some other girl has made herself available or become more attractive to you. We do not know what the situation is with Tremont.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 6, 2017 7:37:15 GMT -5
Going to meet with him tomorrow.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 6, 2017 8:09:43 GMT -5
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 6, 2017 8:10:51 GMT -5
Going to meet with him tomorrow. I wish the best for Tremont no matter his decision. This has been a whirlwind for the young man, and though we don't know precisely what it was that caused him to ask for his release, that fact remains that he did. Whether this is just a courtesy, agreeing to meet with Coach Ewing, or not, only (more feverish clicking on to Hoyatalk every five minutes) time will tell. That said, I think this is a very good sign, and I'm hopeful Tremont gets back on board, and our prospects for next year brighten considerably.
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Post by guhoyas32 on Apr 6, 2017 8:14:09 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 6, 2017 8:18:45 GMT -5
Basically, what we are expecting out of PE is that he leverages his experiences and shiny resume from NBA to convince kids to come right? Tremont was someone who initially committed to us, but de-committed upon seeing the current status of the program. If PE can convince the kid from de-committing, it will speak volume about how he can convince star recruits to start coming back to us. As I said, this is his first challenge and a major task, convincing a kid who was deemed as a savior, to turn the ship around. Of course, even if he cannot successfully convince this kid to re-commit, that does not mean that PE's career as a HC here will be disastrous, but successfully convincing him will speak volume and will give reasons for us to be excited about. Might seem small to you, but to the major recruiting gurus, this can define the future of the program in the next 3 years at the very minimum. We all want to see this happen, but your premise that Tremont decommitted because of the coaching system may not be accurate. For all we know, he may have decommitted for any number of other reasons, like another school becoming more attractive, not wanted to travel from home, where his girlfriend is going to school, Etc. The best analogy is to breaking up with a girl. Sometimes you do it because something about the girl has changed and you don't like her anymore. But sometimes you do it because some other girl has made herself available or become more attractive to you. We do not know what the situation is with Tremont. Exactly. As hard as it may be to believe, his decision could also have been impacted by the possibility that JTIII was going to be let go. It is convenient to attribute it entirely to the "state of the program" but no one on this board knows the exact reasoning. Therefore trying to in any way access the new coach and staff's recruiting chops based on whether Waters can be brought back is unfair.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 6, 2017 8:35:14 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 6, 2017 8:35:39 GMT -5
I am hoping his issue was style of play and that is immediately addressed with Ewing. Fingers crossed. Definitely an uphill battle.
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Post by wnyhoya on Apr 6, 2017 9:05:28 GMT -5
Have a good feeling about this one. Especially after hearing that he plans on getting AI involved. Think it would be awful tough for Tremont to turn down his childhood idol, coupled with the fact that his Dad grew up a Georgetown fan and probably loved Ewing. Oh, and throw in the fact that the academics have not changed since when he first committed. I think there is reason to be cautiously optimistic
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 6, 2017 9:09:54 GMT -5
Have a good feeling about this one. Especially after hearing that he plans on getting AI involved. Think it would be awful tough for Tremont to turn down his childhood idol, coupled with the fact that his Dad grew up a Georgetown fan and probably loved Ewing. Oh, and throw in the fact that the academics have not changed since when he first committed. I think there is reason to be cautiously optimistic AI's getting involved??? If so!!!!!!!!!!!
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