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Post by SaxaCD on Jul 25, 2016 20:59:50 GMT -5
Just appreciative of the added competition at the position. Nobody should be presumed to be the guy, someone needs to step up and earn it Yeah, I can't help but think the improved competition will really benefit the team, both in terms of shaking things up early and getting guys focused on winning a job, and keeping the guards sharp all season long, battling in practice. It's hard to reach your potential if you're not being challenged every day, especially at the high level of Division 1 ball.
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Post by vv83 on Jul 25, 2016 22:09:12 GMT -5
Just appreciative of the added competition at the position. Nobody should be presumed to be the guy, someone needs to step up and earn it Yeah, I can't help but think the improved competition will really benefit the team, both in terms of shaking things up early and getting guys focused on winning a job, and keeping the guards sharp all season long, battling in practice. It's hard to reach your potential if you're not being challenged every day, especially at the high level of Division 1 ball. Peak and Pryor going at each other daily in practice must be a lot of fun!
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 25, 2016 22:23:22 GMT -5
particularly to the 3 pt range, when he elevates for his shot he often flattens the shot and eliminates his arc. These type of "line drive" balls leave him no margin for error if the shot is off a little. I have noticed his "flat" 3 pt shooting too. Seems like it should be easy to fix, with effective coaching and a player willing to listen. And yet it continues. Ike's three point shot is one of my biggest concerns going into this year. He was an awful 3pt shooter last year (27%!). My impression from the stats I've seen is that he hasn't exactly been shooting all that well in Kenner from behind the arc either, which is worrying. He really needs to be a good three point shooter if he's going to be an above average player this year (and we could really use him as a three point shooter, since the guards aren't exactly JWall either).
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Post by vv83 on Jul 25, 2016 22:50:45 GMT -5
I have noticed his "flat" 3 pt shooting too. Seems like it should be easy to fix, with effective coaching and a player willing to listen. And yet it continues. Ike's three point shot is one of my biggest concerns going into this year. He was an awful 3pt shooter last year (27%!). My impression from the stats I've seen is that he hasn't exactly been shooting all that well in Kenner from behind the arc either, which is worrying. He really needs to be a good three point shooter if he's going to be an above average player this year (and we could really use him as a three point shooter, since the guards aren't exactly JWall either). Ike takes too many pull up 3s off the dribble. Because of his height and good elevation on his jumper, he can get that shot off pretty much any time he wants. But he should be looking for better shots than this (unless it is later in the shot clock), especially with the offensive talent he will have around him with this team. He is a lot better (as most players are) when he shoots the open "catch and shoot" 3 with his feet set. He makes a lot more of those, and they are almost always good shots that come out of well run team offense. If he cuts the pull up 3s early in the shot clock out of his game, his 3 pt shooting percentage should get into the 35-40% range, which would be just fine.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 26, 2016 0:17:56 GMT -5
Sunday at Kenner
High scorers:
From my count (possibility of being wrong) : Pryor – 36 Copeland – 40 Peak – 31
I watched three very unremarkable games during my grand return to KL yesterday. Got to see a lot of Hoyas play. Came away with a few impressions.
The first game between The Tombs and Hoop Magic (Copeland’s team) was just strange. Tombs were up 24 to 11 with 13:34 left in the first half. Then it ballooned to 38 to 13 with 6:58 left. At halftime it was 51 to 32. The Tombs should have never let HM back into the game but late in the second half HM got it down to a deficit of 4, maybe even less than that, before the Tombs put the nail in the, umm, coffin. I guess part of the reason for the tightening of the game is that the Hoops Magic coach was micromanaging throughout and coming up with strategies when he wasn’t annoying everyone with his loud exclamations and instructions. The Tombs’ coach on the other hand was more Netflix and Chill, calling timeouts in the second half when needed but not much of anything else.
Since I have only gone to Gtown to see these games once this summer I’m not about to try to suggest that previous write-ups and views of players based on this summer were wrong. Rather I walked away with the opinion that no one played their A game yesterday.
That said I came away from yesterday’s games feeling Pryor is pretty legit. I don’t think he played great despite all the points and he didn’t put on as great a show as it appears he had in previous outings. Also unlike in other games of his that were recounted this summer he wasn’t driving as much, and his jumpshooting ability wasn’t on display, not even from midrange. Passing? He was having none of that either. But it didn't matter. What he brought to the game was unreal intensity and energy. In short he played hard, much harder than guys play in actual college basketball games. That was the case especially on defense. He made Mulmore’s day a nightmare, guarding him up and down the court. He probably swatted away two would-be baskets for Mulmore near the hoop. He’s relentless that way, doesn’t give up anything to anyone no matter the circumstance. If he had to race little old ladies with walking canes across the street, he probably wouldn’t even allow them to get a head start. He just wants the victor and doesn't waste time sympathizing over the circumstance of others. And he has no problem having a civil conversation with a ref when a call goes against him. Ultra competitive.
On offense he didn’t show all that much. He threw down some alley-oops; got a couple of putbacks, threw down dunks on the break. He’s a finisher. I recall back in the day when Stacey Augmon of UNLV used to be referred to as the best finisher in college ball; well Pryor seems to be in that mold. He doesn’t get to the basket only to miss contested shots. He finished, even among the trees. He also has the uncanny ability to always be around a loose ball; gets his hands on everything.
Surprisingly his frame was thinner than I thought it would be. Not a Jabril build, definitely not the build of an LJ. But I think he could actually start at the three because of his leaping ability (yes, he was given the assignment of doing the jumpball for the Tombs at the start of game despite giving up five inches to the opponent jumping against him), his quickness, his apparent strength and most of all his tenacity. He goes after it. And yes despite all of this and his 36 points I feel he still had an off game.
Yes, that 40 from Copeland is no mistake. If I’m off it is only by a few points. He scored a lot, especially in the second half. To be totally honest it may have been one of the least impressive 40-point outings I have ever witnessed, if it weren’t for my keeping tabs of how much he scored I would have doubted anyone who told me he scored that much. The issue here is still the development of Ike’s skill level. After getting a couple of baskets early he went on a stretch in which he looked horrible at trying to drive the ball, looked horrible at trying to create his own shot, looked horrible at taking jumpers, looked horrible at a postup attempt. He was still putting up some numbers but his team was trailing so badly it was an embarrassment. And for a moment it looked as if Copeland wanted no part of any of it.
But give him credit. In the second half he came to life, especially in the last 10 or so minutes, and as he flourished his team picked up speed in its comeback run. Now a lot of his points came on runouts, easy putbacks and unchallenged dunks off of defensive steals. But, hey, that’s part of basketball. And to be fair Copeland started to look good in the halfcourt. He finished a drive. He hit threes. He scored on a nice post up move. Hey, 40 points is 40 points. That’s nothing to sneeze at. And without it Hops Magic wouldn’t have stood a chance. I guess what I’m getting at is that Copeland still looks like such an unfinished product for a guy going into his junior season. Of course no one on the Hoyas comes across as a finished product but then again not many, if any, on the roster came in with Copeland’s expectations. Does he have handle, does he have a faceup game, can he post anyone up, is he a reliable standstill shooter, can he get his points off the drive, etc? And until these questions are answered we don’t really know what position he is best suited at. Nonetheless the guy is so talented that he is able to affect the game and put up such numbers just on his physical tools alone. The Copeland of the second half of his freshman season and the opening month of his soph season looked like a lottery pick. He’s capable of that; he’s capable of more. Will he be able to put it all together this season? If so it could be a special season for the Hoyas.
Mosely. Oh, yes. I really, really liked what I saw of this kid. He gets it, he understands the game. From what I can tell he brings an intellectual approach to the game along with a tough physicality. His handle is legit, he appears to know how to run a team. He can be fancy to in his own way with behind-the-back passes. His ability to beat guys off the dribble was on display but what he suffered at was finishing once he got to the rack, barely missing on a few attempts. But then….he made up for it with his dunk over Ike. This kid has a chance to be special down the line. I really believe that. One play that stood out for me in the first half was when a teammate with the ball was slow at crossing halfcourt. Mosely, already standing on the other end at the far side of the free throw line, motioned the player to move it and give him the ball. The other guy quickened his pace and tossed the ball to Mosely still waiting in the same spot. Immediately a defender came running out to guard what he expected to be a three-point attempt. But Mosely, as if he was expecting this outcome, instantaneously made a simple bounce pass to a wide open teammate ten feet to his left, just behind the three-point line. That guy took the shot and made it. That series displayed leadership, understanding, poise and anticipation. I had him down for nine points. He was one stabilizer for the team when the lead was chipped away. Nice build for a frosh by the way.
I had Derrickson for 22 points although I remained confused by a much needed basket his team needed down the stretch. When I looked up at the scoreboard the score hadn’t changed and those two points never seemed to be added to the final score. So…..maybe a travelling violation was called and those two points didn’t count? Anyway….despite some misfires in the paint when Derrickson either missed some bunnies or was called from travelling, I thought MD looked very strong. He owned the paint, owned the boards. Unlike what I read about him in past contests this summer, he wasn’t really showing his faceup game or shooting jumpers. But he has made such an impression on that front that the times he did faceup beyond the three-point line, the opposing coach would scream to his players that “he can shoot from there, get out and guard him”. Of the three games I saw Derrickson easily had the best postup game of all the college players at least. Got that hook off against taller players.
Mulmore didn’t have the best of showings. But Like I wrote earlier I’m not going to judge by one game. He showed me enough with his handle and ability to pass. He looks like he can run a show. Got to the rack with his quickness but was often blocked by Pryor.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 26, 2016 0:30:38 GMT -5
I hope Ike is ok... My My My Mosely BOUNCE looks so easy. Might I say Russel Westbrook like. I'm pretty sure Ike is just the first of hopefully many posters to come for Mosely in Hoyas jersey. What I like most about that highlight was Mosely's ability to come off the Pick tight, immediately recognized the opening, change directions and attack the basket with authority. Peak was the only player on last years team who showed all of those abilities. I said when he visited, was offered and shortly after the visit committed last fall, WE GOT OURSELVES A STEAL. Mosely's a consistent jumper away from being special.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 26, 2016 0:52:58 GMT -5
I have noticed his "flat" 3 pt shooting too. Seems like it should be easy to fix, with effective coaching and a player willing to listen. And yet it continues. Ike's three point shot is one of my biggest concerns going into this year. He was an awful 3pt shooter last year (27%!). My impression from the stats I've seen is that he hasn't exactly been shooting all that well in Kenner from behind the arc either, which is worrying. He really needs to be a good three point shooter if he's going to be an above average player this year (and we could really use him as a three point shooter, since the guards aren't exactly JWall either). I'm not worried at all about Ike's 3ball shooting as he along with all his teammates should get much cleaner looks from distance with the additions of Mulmore, Mosely and hopefully the return of a healthy Paul White. All 3 have shown the ability to be natural ball movers, and have the ability to put it on the deck and get into the lane drawing extra defenders therefore opening up perimeter shots as well cuts to the basket and drop of passes, something last season's Hoyas had zero of. At the end of the year Peak began to show glimpses of this ability but it definitely isn't a natural skill set of his. Hopefully he continues to develop that aspect of his game as I have a feeling Peak along Pryor are going to attract a lot of defensive attention this upcoming season. I'm not sure what Pryor's passing acumen is as I dou he was asked to pass much on a 10 total win team out of the Northeast Conference but his game seems very mature and well rounded so I think it's something he will be more then adequate at when the opportunities present themselves. This team's quality of shots should be much much more improved over last season's.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jul 26, 2016 1:08:54 GMT -5
Ike's three point shot is one of my biggest concerns going into this year. He was an awful 3pt shooter last year (27%!). My impression from the stats I've seen is that he hasn't exactly been shooting all that well in Kenner from behind the arc either, which is worrying. He really needs to be a good three point shooter if he's going to be an above average player this year (and we could really use him as a three point shooter, since the guards aren't exactly JWall either). Ike takes too many pull up 3s off the dribble. Because of his height and good elevation on his jumper, he can get that shot off pretty much any time he wants. But he should be looking for better shots than this (unless it is later in the shot clock), especially with the offensive talent he will have around him with this team. He is a lot better (as most players are) when he shoots the open "catch and shoot" 3 with his feet set. He makes a lot more of those, and they are almost always good shots that come out of well run team offense. If he cuts the pull up 3s early in the shot clock out of his game, his 3 pt shooting percentage should get into the 35-40% range, which would be just fine. I'd love for Ike's main game to come from the foul line and in on drives and elbow jumpers, which he's shown he can be very good at. 3's on kickouts to keep guys honest would be great, but I think his emphasis has to be from closer in. At his height, that midrange jumper or fake to drive is such a great weapon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 1:29:12 GMT -5
Sunday at Kenner He’s relentless that way, doesn’t give up anything to anyone no matter the circumstance. If he had to race little old ladies with walking canes across the street, he probably wouldn’t even allow them to get a head start. He just wants the victor and doesn't waste time sympathizing over the circumstance of others. Note to players/coaches whomever it may concern.. More of this mentality please...
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 26, 2016 9:44:19 GMT -5
rodney pryor WOW on sat and WQW WOW on sunday just that nuf said
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Post by sleepy on Jul 26, 2016 10:59:30 GMT -5
Sunday at Kenner He’s relentless that way, doesn’t give up anything to anyone no matter the circumstance. If he had to race little old ladies with walking canes across the street, he probably wouldn’t even allow them to get a head start. He just wants the victor and doesn't waste time sympathizing over the circumstance of others. Note to players/coaches whomever it may concern.. More of this mentality please... Coming from MCI this is the best comment I have heard about any player from the Kenner league in years.
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Post by zxhoya on Jul 27, 2016 21:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 28, 2016 9:45:13 GMT -5
Using the stats of vv1983: per game stats. Excludes last Govan game (hurt) Name Games Pts. %2 %3 Rb Pryor 5 32.4 55 35 9.4 Copeland 6 24.7 63 33 8.3 Peak 5 24.2 60 31 3.8 Govan 6 17.7 45 60 10.5 Campbell 6 16.3 50 31 6.2 Johnson 6 16.2 63 36 5.0 Derrickson 6 16.2 49 36 8.7 Hayes 5 16.0 60 -- 10.0 Mulmore 7 13.4 54 42 3.6 Cameron 7 12.7 59 28 4.3 Mourning 7 12.1 42 29 4.3 Mosely 7 11.4 50 29 2.6 Agau 1 4.0 100 -- 1.0 White 5 3.8 55 50 2.2
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 28, 2016 10:01:54 GMT -5
Peak and Pryor going at each other daily in practice must be a lot of fun! vv83 -- assuming you post as vv1983 on Casual Hoya, please allow me to express a huge THANK YOU! for the many outstanding Kenner recaps you've been filing on Casual Hoya! Yours are consistently the most comprehensive and insightful I've seen. Many of us appreciate the time and effort you put into them so I thought we should state that publicly right here. Thanks! For anyone who has yet to read one of vv83's recaps, the most recent can be found here: www.casualhoya.com/2016/7/25/12270234/kenner-league-recap-july-24-2016
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Post by vv83 on Jul 28, 2016 10:52:01 GMT -5
Peak and Pryor going at each other daily in practice must be a lot of fun! vv83 -- assuming you post as vv1983 on Casual Hoya, please allow me to express a huge THANK YOU! for the many outstanding Kenner recaps you've been filing on Casual Hoya! Yours are consistently the most comprehensive and insightful I've seen. Many of us appreciate the time and effort you put into them so I thought we should state that publicly right here. Thanks! For anyone who has yet to read one of vv83's recaps, the most recent can be found here: www.casualhoya.com/2016/7/25/12270234/kenner-league-recap-july-24-2016thanks for the kind words! Back when I could not get to Kenner games often, I always valued these kind of recaps from FL Hoya. Now that I can get to most of the games, I figured I should return the favor to the fans who can't get there by writing these recaps. I don't know half as much about basketball as most posters, but I am hoping that mediocre info is better than no info at all! We don't have all that many intense fans, I figure anything any of us can do to maintain/build interest and enthusiasm is helpful.
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