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Post by jld on Aug 30, 2016 10:36:17 GMT -5
I do not think that the staff has much of a choice re: the approach of relying on a good season to attract higher level players. Right now we are a sub-.500 teams that has missed the NCAAs 2 of the last 3 years. A top player would be wise to wait to see how we do this year.
If we do well then we can hopefully attract better players that wait.
If we have a lousy year, then lower level guys, committed guys released due to coaching changes, JUCOs and transfers are usually available in the Spring. This is not the top route to go but may be one over which we have little to no control
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 10:53:06 GMT -5
The question is whether our top targets will wait until spring to decide. It would be comforting to get a prize commitment before April, then let a (hopefully) strong season bolster our attractiveness to our remaining targets. Just going to answer for myself but I don't think for the most part kids will wait and that's not what I'm saying. Kids emerge, other kids become available through transfers, grad transfers etc... Some kids signed now will be released as coaches lose jobs or get hired away. There will be other opportunities if you miss. For instance NC State added Omer Yurtseven (Projected Lotto Pick) 4 star Ted Kapita and 4 star PG Markell Johnson to their 2016 class in June 2016 (less than 3 months ago) making them a top 5 class for this year. With limited scholarship options and specific needs I'm not in favor of reaching at this point is my stance
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 30, 2016 10:55:56 GMT -5
I really think this requires a full on branding/marketing effort:
(1) Make a full effort to have the media help us. Let's face it - for most of our games, the broadcasters read from the notes they get before the game because they don't know any better (major exception: Ronnie Thompson, who I enjoy listening to). That's why they repeat the same things over and over again (Lubick: Coach's son! Smith: Sold shoes at Nordstrom! DSR: Decided to come back!).
(2) In light of that, we need the following talking points:
- The practice facility opened! It's great. Try to get Fox Sports to show it on video as much as possible!
- (Regardless of what offense we are using): We are using a new offensive approach this season! Faster! More running on the break! Putting more emphasis on attacking.
- JT3 calls the new offense = Insert Snappy Name that the media can repeat endlessly.
- Emphasis on playing smart basketball while also allowing the guys to have fun at the same time.
- Key is bringing intense effort on the defensive end, as well.
(3) Allow interviews / media exposure with all these points being emphasized everywhere.
If we put forward this effort - AND WIN - then these talking points will get even more attention and reflect highly on us. Winning is the most important thing, but spinning it in the media (something Georgetown doesn't always excel at doing) is a big piece of the puzzle, too.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 30, 2016 11:05:15 GMT -5
The question is whether our top targets will wait until spring to decide. It would be comforting to get a prize commitment before April, then let a (hopefully) strong season bolster our attractiveness to our remaining targets. Just going to answer for myself but I don't think for the most part kids will wait and that's not what I'm saying. Kids emerge, other kids become available through transfers, grad transfers etc... Some kids signed now will be released as coaches lose jobs or get hired away. There will be other opportunities if you miss. For instance NC State added Omer Yurtseven (Projected Lotto Pick) 4 star Ted Kapita and 4 star PG Markell Johnson to their 2016 class in June 2016 (less than 3 months ago) making them a top 5 class for this year. With limited scholarship options and specific needs I'm not in favor of reaching at this point is my stance I certainly agree that we should not reach at this point - or hopefully at any point. It is just a concern with so many of your targets going elsewhere and the list therefore shortening.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Aug 30, 2016 11:10:50 GMT -5
What about the "run & react" offense? I like the name and it can be used as part of the re-branding effort.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 12:11:54 GMT -5
OT but important.. Let's go TY¡¡
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 12:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by vv83 on Aug 30, 2016 13:15:58 GMT -5
If Derrickson is playing as well as/better than Pryor - then we should be quite excited about the coming season. Derrickson played very well this summer in Kenner, but he was overshadowed a bit by the monster performance from Pryor.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 30, 2016 13:31:52 GMT -5
OT but important.. Let's go TY¡¡ More important than every single one of our blatherings. Great to see him with the team, continued prayers.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 30, 2016 14:48:04 GMT -5
Hard for me to believe that folks are talking about not wanting to "reach" in late August..
If we were in late April I'd understand but not now..
The biggest evaluation period of the year just ended a month ago.. Smh..
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Post by trillesthoya on Aug 30, 2016 14:56:41 GMT -5
Hard for me to believe that folks are talking about not wanting to "reach" in late August.. If we were in late April I'd understand but not now.. The biggest evaluation period of the year just ended a month ago.. Smh.. Yeah and there are like three people left in the top fifty that are still considering us, none of whom are even close to being georgetown leans.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 30, 2016 17:37:41 GMT -5
Hard for me to believe that folks are talking about not wanting to "reach" in late August.. If we were in late April I'd understand but not now.. The biggest evaluation period of the year just ended a month ago.. Smh.. Yeah and there are like three people left in the top fifty that are still considering us, none of whom are even close to being georgetown leans. We have 4 top 50 players and 3 more top 100 players who are considering us. From what I hear we're not done with Walker as well who's a post grad so not in the rankings. We are probably only taking 2 players this class. Like Yaboy said if we were had 5-6 scholarships to fill yeah we'd be in a lot of trouble right now. We're fine as far as I'm concerned. Transfer Market, Players who reopen after coaching changes, spring commits. Honestly I'd like one commit in the fall, but would be fine with us keeping our options open for the spring with the second.
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 30, 2016 19:22:19 GMT -5
Yeah and there are like three people left in the top fifty that are still considering us, none of whom are even close to being georgetown leans. We have 4 top 50 players and 3 more top 100 players who are considering us. From what I hear we're not done with Walker as well who's a post grad so not in the rankings. We are probably only taking 2 players this class. Like Yaboy said if we were had 5-6 scholarships to fill yeah we'd be in a lot of trouble right now. We're fine as far as I'm concerned. Transfer Market, Players who reopen after coaching changes, spring commits. Honestly I'd like one commit in the fall, but would be fine with us keeping our options open for the spring with the second. Only taking 2 players this class? We just lost White and we'll for sure be losing Cameron, Hayes and Pryor. Plus many people think Peak is going pro after this year. Why would we only take 2 kids in this class?
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 30, 2016 19:37:35 GMT -5
We did lose White, but prior to that we had 14 "counters" on the roster and only 13 schollies - dating back to Hayes' surprising return. No one ever explained to us where that extra schollie was coming from, or who was losing theirs. Now that White has left, we are back to 13 counters for our 13 allowed schollies.
At the end of the season, you are right -- we lose Hayes, Cameron and Pryor. Hence we will have THREE open schollies. I would expect the staff would take 3 new recruits, unless the pickings are so slim they chose not to.
The above does not account for any other departures - like early for the pros, transfers for whatever reason, or the oft-cited relocation to the French Foreign Legion.
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 30, 2016 20:19:00 GMT -5
We did lose White, but prior to that we had 14 "counters" on the roster and only 13 schollies - dating back to Hayes' surprising return. No one ever explained to us where that extra schollie was coming from, or who was losing theirs. Now that White has left, we are back to 13 counters for our 13 allowed schollies. At the end of the season, you are right -- we lose Hayes, Cameron and Pryor. Hence we will have THREE open schollies. I would expect the staff would take 3 new recruits, unless the pickings are so slim they chose not to. The above does not account for any other departures - like early for the pros, transfers for whatever reason, or the oft-cited relocation to the French Foreign Legion. I'll take the over on 3 scholarships available heading into next season. I'll put $500 on it right now to anybody that's interested.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 21:36:33 GMT -5
I get people being anxious about it but imo it's a gamble either way...
If you reach for a kid early that doesn't pan out you have to re-recruit the position. If you grab best player available you can end up with an uneven roster like we had last year. If you wait for better maybe you don't land them either and have to end up reaching late.
Hey hopefully they land Tremont or one of their other top guys and it's all mute.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 30, 2016 22:36:32 GMT -5
I get people being anxious about it but imo it's a gamble either way... If you reach for a kid early that doesn't pan out you have to re-recruit the position. If you grab best player available you can end up with an uneven roster like we had last year. If you wait for better maybe you don't land them either and have to end up reaching late. Hey hopefully they land Tremont or one of their other top guys and it's all mute. How is it early when this is the recruiting season? We're seeing verbals all over the place right now, early for 2017 would have been last winter or early spring in my mind.. I'm not frustrated that they don't have any commits right now, I'm frustrated due to what I see as a lack of urgency from a program that has a .500 record in the new BE.. The post DayMyles has in the 2017 thread sum it up better than I have..
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Post by tashoya on Aug 30, 2016 22:43:54 GMT -5
We did lose White, but prior to that we had 14 "counters" on the roster and only 13 schollies - dating back to Hayes' surprising return. No one ever explained to us where that extra schollie was coming from, or who was losing theirs. Now that White has left, we are back to 13 counters for our 13 allowed schollies. At the end of the season, you are right -- we lose Hayes, Cameron and Pryor. Hence we will have THREE open schollies. I would expect the staff would take 3 new recruits, unless the pickings are so slim they chose not to. The above does not account for any other departures - like early for the pros, transfers for whatever reason, or the oft-cited relocation to the French Foreign Legion. I'll take the over on 3 scholarships available heading into next season. I'll put $500 on it right now to anybody that's interested. I'd gladly give you the $500 if we had five because of the graduations and two guys getting drafted.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 30, 2016 22:45:59 GMT -5
I get people being anxious about it but imo it's a gamble either way... If you reach for a kid early that doesn't pan out you have to re-recruit the position. If you grab best player available you can end up with an uneven roster like we had last year. If you wait for better maybe you don't land them either and have to end up reaching late. Hey hopefully they land Tremont or one of their other top guys and it's all mute. How is it early when this is the recruiting season? We're seeing verbals all over the place right now, early for 2017 would have been last winter or early spring in my mind.. I'm not frustrated that they don't have any commits right now, I'm frustrated due to what I see as a lack of urgency from a program that has a .500 record in the new BE.. The post DayMyles has in the 2017 thread sum it up better than I have.. I don't mean this as sarcastic at all... how do you gauge the staff's sense of urgency?
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Post by tashoya on Aug 30, 2016 22:57:48 GMT -5
OT but important.. Let's go TY¡¡ Great post. I probably wouldn't have caught that article otherwise so thank you for posting it. I admire the hell out of Ty and his family for the the way they rallied around him. I hope to be able to read another article about him not too far in the future about him walking on his own and unassisted detailing how his work and attitude helped him to make a full recovery. If you're able to help, here's a link that's been posted elsewhere on HoyaTalk but is worth a re-post: www.gofundme.com/TyrellsRecovery
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