We will always Have December 5, 2015

[happyhoya1979]

As bad as this horrific, dismal season has been we will always be able to savor our December 5 79-72 victory over Final 4 bound Syracuse.

Thank you Syracuse for salvaging something for us Hoya Fans. We at least finish this year with the satisfaction that we bested one of the final 4.

And looking to the future, if we can beat a team like Syracuse as soundly as we did last December, then our future is brighter than we think.

[FrazierFanatic]

Thanking Syracuse for ANYTHING is simply selling your soul to Satan.

[drquigley]

I was at that game. We were killing SU all game, actually had a 20 point lead early in the second half but they actually came back and got within 6 with about a minute left. Kinda reminds me of the game tonight. I wonder if having Boeheim on the bench might have made a difference for SU. But man we looked good in that game. What happened?

[hoyasaxa2003]

If the tournament committee did its job properly, Syracuse would not have even been in the tournament field. This makes a mockery of the NCAA sanctions against Syracuse and Boeheim. Good to know that Moses deserved 10 suspended games (one four years after the initial 9), but Boeheim only got 9 and, oh wait, he didn't have to wait for the ACC to start them.

[FLHoya]

Or, ya know, February 23rd and March 9th, 2013.

We're getting pretty good at this "win the battle, lose the war" thing in the old rivalry huh?

[happyhoya1979]

Pays the bills, at least

[eagle54]

We are finding moral victories in beating Syracuse in the regular season as they advance to the Final 4? It reminds me of those NFL teams that beat the Super Bowl Champions in the regular season and feel some satisfaction with that.

We need to pull out of this hole and quick. If, as many think, we aren't good again next year, time to find the reset button.

It's been long enough with out any success other than the regular season success only the platinum posters seem to care about as I'm convinced they are on the AD payroll.

[deacon]

We're better than this I would hope.

[hoyasaxa2003]

I don't in any way think that our beating Syracuse in December is a moral victory or something to crow about. But, I am sure glad we beat them in that game and did not lose. I'll leave it at that.

[eagle54]

Mar 27, 2016 21:31:01 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

I don't in any way think that our beating Syracuse in December is a moral victory or something to crow about. But, I am sure glad we beat them in that game and did not lose. I'll leave it at that.

It did make for a better regular season so for that I'm with you as we all  know how important that is.  

[cosmopolitanhoya]

What a moral victory indeed.

We also beat Duke and Butler, the Finalists of the NCAA tournament, in 2010 in which Ohio happened.

I think this is a typical route: if schools like Kentucky, Kansas, Duke make it far, it's always about how we do not have the financial resources and facilities to compete agaisnt them, or how we actually get kids to go to classes while theirs don't.

But this strat does not work in this year's tournament because of Villanova, so now it's time to start moral victory runs.

Yay probably the saltiest tourney under JT3 with such a high expectation going into the season.

[cosmopolitanhoya]

Mar 27, 2016 21:33:44 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

Mar 27, 2016 21:31:01 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

I don't in any way think that our beating Syracuse in December is a moral victory or something to crow about. But, I am sure glad we beat them in that game and did not lose. I'll leave it at that.

It did make for a better regular season so for that I'm with you as we all  know how important that is.  

Because according to hoyasaxa2003, the tourney is a random crapshoot and each game in the tourney weights the same as each game in regular season.

in that way, we probably had a better season than Duke and Butler in 2010 because we whooped them each time, only to see them go to the Finals while we get whooped by Ohip.

[SSHoya]

Not buying the "at least we beat Syracuse" theme. Then we become like Army football when it, once in a blue moon, beats Navy. That's capitulation, IMHO.

[guru]

Mar 28, 2016 7:28:11 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

Mar 27, 2016 21:33:44 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

It did make for a better regular season so for that I'm with you as we all  know how important that is.  

Because according to hoyasaxa2003, the tourney is a random crapshoot and each game in the tourney weights the same as each game in regular season.

in that way, we probably had a better season than Duke and Butler in 2010 because we whooped them each time, only to see them go to the Finals while we get whooped by Ohip.

It's become clear that hs2003 has the sports mentality of a middle schooler - he roots, he roots, he roots, with no other thoughts. That's fine (and if you can pull it off it makes being a fan a lot more fun) but it's not really worth responding to.

[beenaround]

I am quite unhappy with the near decade of NCAA chokes and convinced that JT3 needs to make major changes (which he may or not not do) for this team to be consistently be good. But, I am also extremely happy we beat the force of Evil on December 5, 2015.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Mar 28, 2016 8:37:49 GMT -5 guru said:

Mar 28, 2016 7:28:11 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

Because according to hoyasaxa2003, the tourney is a random crapshoot and each game in the tourney weights the same as each game in regular season.

in that way, we probably had a better season than Duke and Butler in 2010 because we whooped them each time, only to see them go to the Finals while we get whooped by Ohip.

It's become clear that hs2003 has the sports mentality of a middle schooler - he roots, he roots, he roots, with no other thoughts. That's fine (and if you can pull it off it makes being a fan a lot more fun) but it's not really worth responding to.

I really wonder whether some of you actually read the posts here. First, I never said the tournament was a "random crapshoot." What I have said, countless times, is that the single-elimination format is hugely fun, but it is not a great method for determining the best team (look at Syracuse's run this year; it's a great example of how luck and circumstance can get you to the Final Four, especially considering they shouldn't even be in the field). If the purpose was to have the best method of picking the the best team, you'd do a multi-game playoff like the NBA.

In light of that, crazy and wacky things can happen in the tournament. I am not saying that, alone, explains our March failures. It probably doesn't. But, to act like there isn't a luck component basically ignores the fact that every tournament has hugely unlikely upsets or crazy outcomes that beat the odds (Texas A&M anybody?). So, yes, I do consider this.

As for guru's point, I do want the team to win. When it comes to games, I do strongly root for the team, players, and staff. That's what fans are supposed to do. But, I am not a mindless fan either. I have written many posts on this board providing detailed analysis or thoughts regarding certain issues. For example, I started the thread on Georgetown fouling too much, and repeatedly pointed out in that thread and others that it is something the coaching staff MUST figure out, and they MUST do it quickly. We've had three seasons of fouling at outrageous levels, and there has to be improvement.

This season was unacceptable. I did not feel like the players played up to their potential, I don't feel that the coaching staff did a whole lot to improve the team over the year, and quite frankly, it just wasn't one of the more fun years to follow Georgetown basketball. But, some of you take this opinion, and call me an apologist simply because I don't want to fire JT3 like many of you do.

More generally, as far as wanting the team to succeed, I do think that when people start "hot seat" threads after the first game of the season and basically use every chance they have to try to flood the thread with the same points after every loss, I do question whether some people actually do want the team to succeed.

[FrazierFanatic]

Let us hope that it is not too long before other teams are saying "well at least we beat Georgetown this year".

[royski]

Can we quarantine this thread? It's frankly embarrassing.

[eagle54]

Mar 28, 2016 12:20:53 GMT -5 royski said:

Can we quarantine this thread? It's frankly embarrassing.

Why, shouldn't we all stand and celebrate our regular season that included beating a Final Four team.  I think I had this team all wrong as I had no idea they were this good.  

[eagle54]

Mar 28, 2016 10:40:57 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Mar 28, 2016 8:37:49 GMT -5 guru said:

It's become clear that hs2003 has the sports mentality of a middle schooler - he roots, he roots, he roots, with no other thoughts. That's fine (and if you can pull it off it makes being a fan a lot more fun) but it's not really worth responding to.

I really wonder whether some of you actually read the posts here. First, I never said the tournament was a "random crapshoot." What I have said, countless times, is that the single-elimination format is hugely fun, but it is not a great method for determining the best team (look at Syracuse's run this year; it's a great example of how luck and circumstance can get you to the Final Four, especially considering they shouldn't even be in the field). If the purpose was to have the best method of picking the the best team, you'd do a multi-game playoff like the NBA.

In light of that, crazy and wacky things can happen in the tournament. I am not saying that, alone, explains our March failures. It probably doesn't. But, to act like there isn't a luck component basically ignores the fact that every tournament has hugely unlikely upsets or crazy outcomes that beat the odds (Texas A&M anybody?). So, yes, I do consider this.

As for guru's point, I do want the team to win. When it comes to games, I do strongly root for the team, players, and staff. That's what fans are supposed to do. But, I am not a mindless fan either. I have written many posts on this board providing detailed analysis or thoughts regarding certain issues. For example, I started the thread on Georgetown fouling too much, and repeatedly pointed out in that thread and others that it is something the coaching staff MUST figure out, and they MUST do it quickly. We've had three seasons of fouling at outrageous levels, and there has to be improvement.

This season was unacceptable. I did not feel like the players played up to their potential, I don't feel that the coaching staff did a whole lot to improve the team over the year, and quite frankly, it just wasn't one of the more fun years to follow Georgetown basketball. But, some of you take this opinion, and call me an apologist simply because I don't want to fire JT3 like many of you do.

More generally, as far as wanting the team to succeed, I do think that when people start "hot seat" threads after the first game of the season and basically use every chance they have to try to flood the thread with the same points after every loss, I do question whether some people actually do want the team to succeed.

Our perception is what the board sees as reality.  Give up the apologies and start seeing it like it is.  This team has no momentum and has lesser peers blowing by us but we continue to apologize for what we are.  Let's move past that.