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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 24, 2016 10:48:07 GMT -5
Lubick is an interesting example. He always seemed like a high effort guy to me. Not a slap the floor or flex his muscles type. But always giving 100% out there. And he did play good fundamental defense and offensive rebound. Obviously, he couldn't hit a wide-open 12-footer to save his life. But he fit the rest of your bill. That 12 footer is crucial. It doesn't matter how good a passer our four or five is -- if he can't hit at least an elbow jumper, he'll never get the chance to show off his passing and the lane will generally be clogged. That said, I do think we've done a pretty good job in the past few years of identifying when we have fours and fives that can't hit that shot and using them primarily as screeners or in the post. And that's what all teams do with those guys (just as all teams have their fours and fives handle the ball out top in many sets to facilitate movement, as much as some of our fans think otherwise). That's what we did with Josh the past two years. He didn't spend a ton of time at the elbow looking for cutters. When he got the ball out top it was either to facilitate movement or to engage in a dribble/hand-off, which is similar to a PNR. Marcus and Jesse are huge wildcards moving forward. We know they can hit that elbow shot (and much more). So, we know they'll demand defensive attention and open things up. But can they pass effectively (clearly the answer was no this year)? Can they be weapons in the post (right now they're not)? And, perhaps most important, can they play decent fundamental defense, such that they at a minimum aren't a "minus" on that side of the court? Marcus is closer than Jesse right now. Finally, the hope is that Agau is the sort of Frankenstein you're talking about. But who knows? Agree with your statement that there is still a role for bigs who cannot shoot from the outside to come up top and set a screen to facilitate ball movement. However, dribble/hand-offs and ball screens up top are of limited value without at least the threat of offense from the big on the outside. As we saw repeatedly this year with Hayes, it simply did not work very often as his man would drop off to guard the lane preventing a drive or cut into the lane and the rest of the defenders would strictly play the screen. Now when our outside shooters could utilize the screen and hit the shot off the dribble it worked somewhat, but with a team that generally was not good at 3 point shots, or at best was very streaky, this caused major breakdowns in the structure of the offense and the flow. It also took the one reliable rebounder 12-15 feet away from the basket and almost assured that we got only one shot. I believe that the point that this team simply has not had the bigs to fully gain the benefit of the offense we run is valid. Hopkins,Lubick, Hayes and Smith were all unable to pose any threat from 12-15 feet. I have hope for Govan as he gets more comfortable with the ball and learns to make quicker and more instinctive decisions. This may have been true this year with our particular personnel, but that's actually more a problem with the folks getting the screen or hand-off, not the screener. If you watch the games tonight, check out how many times a big comes up to set the high ball screen and is no threat at all from outside. Marshall Plumlee ain't hitting a fifteen foooter! But Duke will still run that action somewhat frequently to try to force a switch or a miscommunication. The post defender can't just lay back -- he has to at least show or hedge -- because otherwise it's an open three attempt. We just didn't have anyone other than LJ that could use that screen and get into the lane. That is, DSR couldn't really get around the hedging big to get into the lane. Grayson Allen can do it all the time. It's a huge problem having a big that can't shoot if you're running a pure Princeton and looking for cutters. And we certainly ran into that problem some with Lubick (or earlier with, say, Julian Vaughan). But we aren't really doing that as much now -- or at least haven't the past couple of years. To me, the excitement of having a Govan that, as you say, can make quicker and more instinctive decisions, is that we can do both and become really dangerous. He gets the ball on the top and LJ starts coming around. Jesse (or Marcus's) defender can't sag at all or it's an easy three. The play could be a dribble/hand-off requiring a switch that leads to a layup. Or to an open three if they don't switch it. But LJ could also stop and cut back door. The crazy optimistic dreams of a madman...... EDIT: I think III realized this far too late when, in the last couple of games, he actually had DSR play the five in our Princeton sets. It was a pretty interesting idea and I'd love to know what would have happened if we did that all year (or at least more often).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 24, 2016 11:23:42 GMT -5
"Any offense predicated on moving the ball needs quick decision making and players ready to exploit the reacting defense. I don't think we were ready very often. One reason is the above -- we never we ready for the ball. Add in that on defense we don't seem to know how to move our feet and give ground -- which is how you have to play D these days -- and our basic footwork and positioning is a real problem. Defenders don't move right -- and they don't know where to be to help out other defenders." This is absolutely spot on. When you combine it with our guards often looking like they were standing in cement while trying to guard out on the perimeter, is it any wonder that our defense was bad and we committed fouls at an unprecedented rate? I used to teach my 5th/6th graders that you play defense with your feet first. I am amazed that the concept cannot be executed by college kids.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 24, 2016 13:00:17 GMT -5
Agree with your statement that there is still a role for bigs who cannot shoot from the outside to come up top and set a screen to facilitate ball movement. However, dribble/hand-offs and ball screens up top are of limited value without at least the threat of offense from the big on the outside. As we saw repeatedly this year with Hayes, it simply did not work very often as his man would drop off to guard the lane preventing a drive or cut into the lane and the rest of the defenders would strictly play the screen. Now when our outside shooters could utilize the screen and hit the shot off the dribble it worked somewhat, but with a team that generally was not good at 3 point shots, or at best was very streaky, this caused major breakdowns in the structure of the offense and the flow. It also took the one reliable rebounder 12-15 feet away from the basket and almost assured that we got only one shot. I believe that the point that this team simply has not had the bigs to fully gain the benefit of the offense we run is valid. Hopkins,Lubick, Hayes and Smith were all unable to pose any threat from 12-15 feet. I have hope for Govan as he gets more comfortable with the ball and learns to make quicker and more instinctive decisions. Disagree with the hand-off play. One of JT3's favorite plays worked the best with Hibbert and Wallace running it, and Hibbert was not a perimeter threat. It worked because of Hibbert's size, but most importantly, because Wallace had ice in his veins. This season, Bradley had the size (and used the elbows for the screen), but DSR was not willing to pull the trigger as quickly as needed around Hayes. DSR would rather step further back and shoot. That play's key is the shooter.
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Post by dense on Mar 25, 2016 23:32:51 GMT -5
Im for giving that 3rd asst to PE2 and bringing back Tyler Adams.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 26, 2016 7:49:23 GMT -5
Im for giving that 3rd asst to PE2 and bringing back Tyler Adams. Not me. Need a tactician if we're replacing an assistant.
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 26, 2016 11:47:07 GMT -5
Im for giving that 3rd asst to PE2 and bringing back Tyler Adams. Not me. Need a tactician if we're replacing an assistant. Agreed. Love Tyler but we should be more focused on fixing the squad not rewarding loyal members. Maybe in the future though, both guys seem really talented.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 1, 2016 10:16:49 GMT -5
HARRISONBURG – Sources say Georgetown assistant Kevin Sutton wants to be James Madison’s next basketball coach. Ex-University of Virginia star Curtis Staples said during a phone interview Monday that he’d be “shocked” if Madison doesn’t hire Sutton. “He’s a heck of a recruiter, so at the end of the day, they’re going to benefit like crazy and start having really great teams there if they make that hire,” Staples said. Sutton, a third-year assistant at Georgetown with recruiting ties up and down the East Coast and overseas, is a Madison alum who played at JMU under legendary coach Lou Campanelli. Staples is among the numerous stars Sutton – a 51-year-old Falls Church native – has coached at the prep level over the years. Ex-NBA veterans Cory Alexander (Virginia) and George Lynch (North Carolina) played for Sutton at Flint Hill Prep in Oakton, while college standouts Jason Capel (North Carolina), Nate James (Duke) and Staples played for Sutton at Prospect Hall in Frederick, Md. Lynch, James and Staples were McDonald’s All-Americans. As Staples put it, Sutton is a "superstar recruiter." “He’s a really personable guy,” Staples said of Sutton. “He takes private time with people. You know, you get a lot of fake people in this business – people do their jobs and move on. He’s not like that. He maintains relationships very well. I’ve been close with him since I was 16 years old; I turn 40 this summer. … That’s what he’s done with everybody. I’m not the only one that feels that way.” Sutton began his coaching career as a JMU graduate assistant from 1986-88 before making a name for himself as a coach on the prep level. www.dnronline.com/article/sutton_wants_jmu_jobHasn't recruited very well here. So...see ya. Sutton didn't get the gig despite being one of the finalists. JMU job went to a Bowling Green assistant.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 1, 2016 15:26:32 GMT -5
HARRISONBURG – Sources say Georgetown assistant Kevin Sutton wants to be James Madison’s next basketball coach. Ex-University of Virginia star Curtis Staples said during a phone interview Monday that he’d be “shocked” if Madison doesn’t hire Sutton. “He’s a heck of a recruiter, so at the end of the day, they’re going to benefit like crazy and start having really great teams there if they make that hire,” Staples said. Sutton, a third-year assistant at Georgetown with recruiting ties up and down the East Coast and overseas, is a Madison alum who played at JMU under legendary coach Lou Campanelli. Staples is among the numerous stars Sutton – a 51-year-old Falls Church native – has coached at the prep level over the years. Ex-NBA veterans Cory Alexander (Virginia) and George Lynch (North Carolina) played for Sutton at Flint Hill Prep in Oakton, while college standouts Jason Capel (North Carolina), Nate James (Duke) and Staples played for Sutton at Prospect Hall in Frederick, Md. Lynch, James and Staples were McDonald’s All-Americans. As Staples put it, Sutton is a "superstar recruiter." “He’s a really personable guy,” Staples said of Sutton. “He takes private time with people. You know, you get a lot of fake people in this business – people do their jobs and move on. He’s not like that. He maintains relationships very well. I’ve been close with him since I was 16 years old; I turn 40 this summer. … That’s what he’s done with everybody. I’m not the only one that feels that way.” Sutton began his coaching career as a JMU graduate assistant from 1986-88 before making a name for himself as a coach on the prep level. www.dnronline.com/article/sutton_wants_jmu_jobHasn't recruited very well here. So...see ya. Stay classy POD.
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