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Post by SSHoya on Mar 14, 2016 12:26:50 GMT -5
"*Tre Campbell-Solid PG who's a very good ball handler and passer." LJ Peak relegated to a "glue guy?" Has the writer seen any Georgetown games this year?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 14, 2016 12:28:03 GMT -5
Good points you made in regards to DSR, FLHoya. Am I setting the bar too high? Frankly where DSR disappointed me was in what I would say a good chunk of matchups against the elite BE teams, when the team needed him more than ever, he would come up with those 1 for 11 from the floor type of days (or somewhere around those numbers). Not in all those games certainly, but in a couple too many for my tastes. I'm a huge fan of DSR and wanted him to go out on a high so I'm probably just demonstrating my disappointment for him more than anything. Also his three-point fg% never got to the level in which I thought it could be. He never got to that elite 40% level like Hollis or Jon Wallace (although he is easily a better all-around player than Wallace). Who would have thought Peak would have gotten to such a level in his second season while DSR never managed over four. By the way just like last season I feel III played DSR about a couple minutes too long per game. He wasn't the leader the Hoyas needed this season. Yes, he put up numbers and all, but he didn't get the job done. He is/was not a floor general.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 14, 2016 12:42:08 GMT -5
"*Tre Campbell-Solid PG who's a very good ball handler and passer." LJ Peak relegated to a "glue guy?" Has the writer seen any Georgetown games this year? His comment on Reggie Cameron: " Excellent shooter." Seventh in scoring and ninth in shooting percentage.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2016 12:45:31 GMT -5
Interesting to see his take, but I think here are several basic facts that he's got wrong. LJ Peak a "glue guy"? Cameron an "excellent shooter"? Not so much...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 12:47:30 GMT -5
Interesting to see his take, but I think here are several basic facts that he's got wrong. LJ Peak a "glue guy"? Cameron an "excellent shooter"? Not so much... Definitely, paid attention to the comments more that his Eval that was obviously flawed for a number of reasons. Still always interesting to see how other fans in the conference view us
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 14, 2016 13:15:07 GMT -5
Interesting that they pointed out the issue of chemistry between DSR and younger players, one even going so far as to compare situation similar to Gibbs and younger players at Seton Hall last year.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 15, 2016 11:46:33 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 15, 2016 23:19:48 GMT -5
Can't get over Kaleb's numbers. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3934671/kaleb-johnsonwww.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaleb-johnson-1.htmlI know....I know. Small sample size. Small sample size. Small sample size. But that field goal percentage is simply outstanding. He could have just as easily shot 25% from three and 40% from the floor overall with that same small sample size. But he didn't. And the thing is his three-point shot looks good and tends to go in cleanly. Let me add that in his first month of play his teammates were already comfortable with him bringing up the ball multiple times in a game. I don't think Jabril got to that point until his senior season. And that height he has and that strong build. And the fact that Peak went so far to call him the best defender on the team before the season began. I don't recall a Hoya defender who can pluck the rock from opposing players whenever he gets within range like Kaleb can. Obviously he won't continue to shoot the ball that well as he gets more minutes and he has to learn to try throwing it down on folks when he drives and gets to the basket. I just think his upside is through the roof even though he seems to even be a secret among most Hoya fans who don't probably know what they got in this guy.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 16, 2016 0:30:59 GMT -5
Can't get over Kaleb's numbers. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3934671/kaleb-johnsonwww.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaleb-johnson-1.htmlI know....I know. Small sample size. Small sample size. Small sample size. But that field goal percentage is simply outstanding. He could have just as easily shot 25% from three and 40% from the floor overall with that same small sample size. But he didn't. And the thing is his three-point shot looks good and tends to go in cleanly. Let me add that in his first month of play his teammates were already comfortable with him bringing up the ball multiple times in a game. I don't think Jabril got to that point until his senior season. And that height he has and that strong build. And the fact that Peak went so far to call him the best defender on the team before the season began. I don't recall a Hoya defender who can pluck the rock from opposing players whenever he gets within range like Kaleb can. Obviously he won't continue to shoot the ball that well as he gets more minutes and he has to learn to try throwing it down on folks when he drives and gets to the basket. I just think his upside is through the roof even though he seems to even be a secret among most Hoya fans who don't probably know what they got in this guy. I don't think he'll ever be a "star", but I have always liked the many contribution he brings to the table. No angst when I see him coming into a game, and I love the uptick in team energy when he comes in -- in my view, that's just what you want in a complementary player
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 16, 2016 0:59:05 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly with what has already been said about Kaleb. I also think it's worth mentioning that the couple times this year when we had the ball with around 5 seconds or less before half, III always called on Kaleb to be the guy to go coast to coast. Not LJ, which says a lot IMO. And he did a pretty nice job save for a charge or two. When he gets a head of steam in the full court he's going to be really hard to stop as he continues to refine his game and mature. He already moves very quickly with the ball in his hands. I'm excited about what he's going to bring to the table next year and beyond.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 16, 2016 2:38:16 GMT -5
He struggled to finish at times. He should gain the strength he needs to finish well - he has the frame for it, he was just a skinny 18-19 year old kid this year. Kaleb is the kind of player they need - smart, good passer, potentially good defender (used his hands/reached too much this year), hustles his butt off. He was very good in Kenner league last summer. The stuff he struggled with this year is all the kind of stuff that good players improve on with experience - finishing around basket, foul shooting, using feet rather than hands to defend. He and Mosely are guys that, with experience, can provide a foundation in the less obvious things that win games ( Hustle/aggressiveness, defense, ability to attack the basket, passing) - which was missing far too often this year.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 16, 2016 8:10:09 GMT -5
Can't get over Kaleb's numbers. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3934671/kaleb-johnsonwww.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaleb-johnson-1.htmlI know....I know. Small sample size. Small sample size. Small sample size. But that field goal percentage is simply outstanding. He could have just as easily shot 25% from three and 40% from the floor overall with that same small sample size. But he didn't. And the thing is his three-point shot looks good and tends to go in cleanly. Let me add that in his first month of play his teammates were already comfortable with him bringing up the ball multiple times in a game. I don't think Jabril got to that point until his senior season. And that height he has and that strong build. And the fact that Peak went so far to call him the best defender on the team before the season began. I don't recall a Hoya defender who can pluck the rock from opposing players whenever he gets within range like Kaleb can. Obviously he won't continue to shoot the ball that well as he gets more minutes and he has to learn to try throwing it down on folks when he drives and gets to the basket. I just think his upside is through the roof even though he seems to even be a secret among most Hoya fans who don't probably know what they got in this guy. I don't think he'll ever be a "star", but I have always liked the many contribution he brings to the table. No angst when I see him coming into a game, and I love the uptick in team energy when he comes in -- in my view, that's just what you want in a complementary player I disagree. I think he has star written all over him. He just needs time.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 16, 2016 8:58:13 GMT -5
He flashed several times this year and considering that he was the least heralded of the freshmen, he was a major surprise. Definitely needs work on his free throws, but that is correctable and probably more mental than an issue of form. Also projects as the next quality rebounder among Hoya perimeter players.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 16, 2016 10:28:30 GMT -5
Can't get over Kaleb's numbers. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3934671/kaleb-johnsonwww.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaleb-johnson-1.htmlI know....I know. Small sample size. Small sample size. Small sample size. But that field goal percentage is simply outstanding. He could have just as easily shot 25% from three and 40% from the floor overall with that same small sample size. But he didn't. And the thing is his three-point shot looks good and tends to go in cleanly. Let me add that in his first month of play his teammates were already comfortable with him bringing up the ball multiple times in a game. I don't think Jabril got to that point until his senior season. And that height he has and that strong build. And the fact that Peak went so far to call him the best defender on the team before the season began. I don't recall a Hoya defender who can pluck the rock from opposing players whenever he gets within range like Kaleb can. Obviously he won't continue to shoot the ball that well as he gets more minutes and he has to learn to try throwing it down on folks when he drives and gets to the basket. I just think his upside is through the roof even though he seems to even be a secret among most Hoya fans who don't probably know what they got in this guy. Many times during games I said to myself that I wish that kid looked for his shot more. Hopefully as he matures, he will. Clark was pretty good at those long arm steals as well. Like most of the Hoyas, Kaleb needs to cut down on his fouling. Like Kaleb a lot.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 16, 2016 12:21:17 GMT -5
I don't think he'll ever be a "star", but I have always liked the many contribution he brings to the table. No angst when I see him coming into a game, and I love the uptick in team energy when he comes in -- in my view, that's just what you want in a complementary player I disagree. I think he has star written all over him. He just needs time. I'd be very happy to say in retrospect that you were right about this one!
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 20, 2016 20:54:15 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty fair assessment for someone who's not a die-hard Hoya fan. And to those complaining about LJ being "relegated" to glue guy status, the poster just before that called him very talented and a glue guy is a great thing when it's combined with talent. It's a recipe for greatness. Glue guy doesn't have to carry such negative connotations
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Post by tashoya on Mar 20, 2016 21:04:51 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty fair assessment for someone who's not a die-hard Hoya fan. And to those complaining about LJ being "relegated" to glue guy status, the poster just before that called him very talented and a glue guy is a great thing when it's combined with talent. It's a recipe for greatness. Glue guy doesn't have to carry such negative connotations You're right that it doesn't have to be. But that's how it's usually used for a guy that doesn't bring much game with his intangibles. And I think that's how people read it. LJ, if he is a glue guy on top of what he brings on the stat sheet, all the better. I don't know the guy at all but he seems like the type of person that, even though he seems calm on the floor, he quietly wants to rip his opponent apart. I loved how fired up Jabril could get at times (not all of the time) but it's the guys that are quiet about killing you that are the ones to look out for. LJ seems like that type of competitor. I'm excited to see what he adds over the offseason and how he's going to lead his team.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 20, 2016 21:10:22 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty fair assessment for someone who's not a die-hard Hoya fan. And to those complaining about LJ being "relegated" to glue guy status, the poster just before that called him very talented and a glue guy is a great thing when it's combined with talent. It's a recipe for greatness. Glue guy doesn't have to carry such negative connotations You're right that it doesn't have to be. But that's how it's usually used for a guy that doesn't bring much game with his intangibles. And I think that's how people read it. LJ, if he is a glue guy on top of what he brings on the stat sheet, all the better. I don't know the guy at all but he seems like the type of person that, even though he seems calm on the floor, he quietly wants to rip his opponent apart. I loved how fired up Jabril could get at times (not all of the time) but it's the guys that are quiet about killing you that are the ones to look out for. LJ seems like that type of competitor. I'm excited to see what he adds over the offseason and how he's going to lead his team. Understood, but the quote was "this kid is another very talented player. I see him as a glue guy." Sure he's set to explode next year, but do you realistically expect many people outside of the team to realize that already, especially while the country is still focused on the players that are playing this season? I'm just saying people need to stop acting like the guy is completely off-base or completely out to get us. His assessment was pretty objective and fair, imo.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 20, 2016 21:11:12 GMT -5
You're right that it doesn't have to be. But that's how it's usually used for a guy that doesn't bring much game with his intangibles. And I think that's how people read it. LJ, if he is a glue guy on top of what he brings on the stat sheet, all the better. I don't know the guy at all but he seems like the type of person that, even though he seems calm on the floor, he quietly wants to rip his opponent apart. I loved how fired up Jabril could get at times (not all of the time) but it's the guys that are quiet about killing you that are the ones to look out for. LJ seems like that type of competitor. I'm excited to see what he adds over the offseason and how he's going to lead his team. Understood, but the quote was "this kid is another very talented player. I see him as a glue guy." Sure he's set to explode next year, but do you realistically expect many people outside of the team to realize that already, especially while the country is still focused on the players that are playing this season? I'm just saying people need to stop acting like the guy is completely off-base or completely out to get us. His assessment was pretty objective and fair, imo. Understood. Fair points all around.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 20, 2016 21:15:37 GMT -5
You're right that it doesn't have to be. But that's how it's usually used for a guy that doesn't bring much game with his intangibles. And I think that's how people read it. LJ, if he is a glue guy on top of what he brings on the stat sheet, all the better. I don't know the guy at all but he seems like the type of person that, even though he seems calm on the floor, he quietly wants to rip his opponent apart. I loved how fired up Jabril could get at times (not all of the time) but it's the guys that are quiet about killing you that are the ones to look out for. LJ seems like that type of competitor. I'm excited to see what he adds over the offseason and how he's going to lead his team. Understood, but the quote was "this kid is another very talented player. I see him as a glue guy." Sure he's set to explode next year, but do you realistically expect many people outside of the team to realize that already, especially while the country is still focused on the players that are playing this season? I'm just saying people need to stop acting like the guy is completely off-base or completely out to get us. His assessment was pretty objective and fair, imo. I'm sure that this season is still clouding how I view the things I read and hear and, as such, I read the "glue guy" thing differently than I would have, say, a month from now when the season is over for all of the teams. I appreciate the clearer perspective.
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