OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Apr 23, 2019 17:27:53 GMT -5
To be honest the “ Cole Anthony to Georgetown” never made much sense to me. Akinjo has said repeatedly that what made him choose Georgetown over a dozen other schools was Ewing’s expressed sentiments that he would be Ewing’s guy to run the team. Anthony is a 5 star pg. He would be the one running the team if he came not Akinjo. That would have been inconsistent with the the man Akinjo committed to. The story made good headlines for the Hoyas, and kept the Hoya name in each headline that talked about Anthony, so potential recruits were always being reminded about Georgetown. Comparing Anthony this year to Akinjo last year, I suspect we will not see the growing pains that Akinjo went through for Anthony because his dad was a pg who played in college and NBA, so I am sure he gave him some knowledge of the nuances of the game. Anthony was not going anywhere where he would seriously have to compete for the pg position. Akinjo’s personality would not let him go quietly into the night without a fight for the starting pg position.
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Hoyas4Ever
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A Wise Man Once Told Me Don't Argue With Fools....
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 23, 2019 18:23:27 GMT -5
I had no idea you could see 4-5 years into the future? You must be able to see that far into the future to make that statement? Otherwise it's an absolutely ridiculous statement. Just because you don't see a bunch a fancy stars next to their names doesn't mean this class can't be a game changer. Coach Ewing has obviously focused on defensive length and mobility with this class. So you can see into the future instead? If you've got a better crystal ball, please share and we can all make a lot of money knowing what the future will look like in 4-5 years. Under that logic, we might as well shut down any discussion about recruiting because none of us can see 4-5 years in the future. All we can do is look at the facts as they are and make an evaluation. Recruiting is not a science. There are top 5 star guys who flop, and there are 3 star guys who make the NBA. We have three recruits (again, excluding Yurtseven), two of whom are huge projects with little prospect of making an immediate impact. Wahab definitely has potential and may contribute this season, but from everything I know Wilson and Igohoefe both have potential but are far from being able to contribute. Put another way - 247 rates our class as the 53rd best. On Rivals we are 43. We aren't likely to reach the heights most fans want with classes like that. I am not saying this to take away from Ewing's accomplishments in getting solid talent last year and drawing in some good players as soon as he got fired. I think he did a really good job in both 2017 and 2018. But, the staff had most of the 2019 cycle to draw in better players, and they did not do so. I don't understand why so many reflexively tear apart any criticism, especially here when it's pretty obvious right now that the 2019 class simply isn't as good as many other team's classes, or even as good as our 2018 class. Lol...thank you for making my point! The rest your argument has ZERO fact and otherwise makes no sense. All of your posts are based on numbers. Numbers that someone else gives you with zero care on how those numbers were derived. Any statistician will tell you the easy thing to manipulate are numbers to create a desired narrative. Make one post not based on numbers/statistics/analytics. There is so much more to basketball then analytics. Texas Tech's run to the NCAA championship game must have made your head explode...
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Post by veilside21 on Apr 23, 2019 18:58:02 GMT -5
you cant compare penny to Ewing.. Penny just happened to coach wiseman before he got the gig.
Ewing on the other hand had to earn every recruit his way.
IMHO we are still in good hands with Ewing. and as i stated Cole is highly recruited because of his father and he was well known but mac and james combined is better than cole. the 3 of them makes us more deadly but to be honest.
sorry but its just me i am not sold on Cole's Game.. I think Coby white is better than him.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 23, 2019 21:35:17 GMT -5
So you can see into the future instead? If you've got a better crystal ball, please share and we can all make a lot of money knowing what the future will look like in 4-5 years. Under that logic, we might as well shut down any discussion about recruiting because none of us can see 4-5 years in the future. All we can do is look at the facts as they are and make an evaluation. Recruiting is not a science. There are top 5 star guys who flop, and there are 3 star guys who make the NBA. We have three recruits (again, excluding Yurtseven), two of whom are huge projects with little prospect of making an immediate impact. Wahab definitely has potential and may contribute this season, but from everything I know Wilson and Igohoefe both have potential but are far from being able to contribute. Put another way - 247 rates our class as the 53rd best. On Rivals we are 43. We aren't likely to reach the heights most fans want with classes like that. I am not saying this to take away from Ewing's accomplishments in getting solid talent last year and drawing in some good players as soon as he got fired. I think he did a really good job in both 2017 and 2018. But, the staff had most of the 2019 cycle to draw in better players, and they did not do so. I don't understand why so many reflexively tear apart any criticism, especially here when it's pretty obvious right now that the 2019 class simply isn't as good as many other team's classes, or even as good as our 2018 class. Lol...thank you for making my point! The rest your argument has ZERO fact and otherwise makes no sense. All of your posts are based on numbers. Numbers that someone else gives you with zero care on how those numbers were derived. Any statistician will tell you the easy thing to manipulate are numbers to create a desired narrative. Make one post not based on numbers/statistics/analytics. There is so much more to basketball then analytics. Texas Tech's run to the NCAA championship game must have made your head explode... Ironically, Texas Tech’s march to the final four was largely based on analytics and numbers. #1 Defensive Efficiency ranking on KenPom. The team that beat them in the finals — Number 1 overall KenPom. Until Ewing and staff can get the team playing like a unit instead of 5 individuals to our efficiency numbers up on both sides of the ball, the recruiting rankings won’t matter.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 23, 2019 22:56:44 GMT -5
Lol...thank you for making my point! The rest your argument has ZERO fact and otherwise makes no sense. All of your posts are based on numbers. Numbers that someone else gives you with zero care on how those numbers were derived. Any statistician will tell you the easy thing to manipulate are numbers to create a desired narrative. Make one post not based on numbers/statistics/analytics. There is so much more to basketball then analytics. Texas Tech's run to the NCAA championship game must have made your head explode... My post isn't based on numbers. It's based on talent. Right now, I don't think you'd find many people with knowledge of our 2018 class and 2019 class that would say that our 2019 class is better than our 2018 class. That doesn't mean it's bad, it just means it's not as good as last year's. As Yaboy noted, you can argue that the class was intended to fill a need, etc. I realize some of you cannot possibly stand any criticism of the coaching staff, but the fact is they didn't pull in any bigger talent this year for 2019 AND they were actively trying to do it - it's not like they were only recruiting to a specific niche. And yes, while a 5 star guy can flop, the 5 star guys - on average - perform better than the 3 star guys. Of course, it's imperfect, but it's not meaningless, either. Your riff on numbers above is laughable. That numbers can be manipulated doesn't mean they are irrelevant. And it's great that Ewing did pull in Yurtseven (who, by the way, was a pretty highly ranked recruit) and Alexander, which helps a lot. But at some point, you need to land the high school kids, too. Texas Tech was the number 1 defensive team on KenPom, a top 25 team all year on KenPom (apparently, they spend 2/3 of practice on defense, our guys could stand to learn defense from Beard). And they were defeated by Virginia, a top 5 KenPom team all year, and #1 from February 23 to the end of the tournament (second best defense, fifth best offense). So why is my head exploding?
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 23, 2019 23:55:21 GMT -5
Case closed.
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