hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Aug 26, 2018 15:47:32 GMT -5
Clearly spoken by someone who doesn’t have teenagers. Wrong.....I have a 20+ and a 15yr old....also if my 15yr old gets good enough for Pat to offer, GTown will get a serious look. I won't make him choose GTown but they would get a visit and have a true chance to win him over...I wouldn't choose his school but I would choose where he couldn't go....(Duke, Cuse, Wherever Calicheat is coaching)...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 26, 2018 16:03:27 GMT -5
Do any of you guys remember that we were a WEAK program when JJ was a senior? Yet he visited us and we were in his final five. And he picked a MUCH, MUCH better program. Good Lord we need November to get here.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 26, 2018 16:07:47 GMT -5
Do any of you guys remember that we were a WEAK program when JJ was a senior? Yet he visited us and we were in his final five. And he picked a MUCH, MUCH better program. Good Lord we need November to get here. How dare you inject facts into a recruiting discussion...
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Aug 26, 2018 16:18:13 GMT -5
Do any of you guys remember that we were a WEAK program when JJ was a senior? Yet he visited us and we were in his final five. And he picked a MUCH, MUCH better program. Good Lord we need November to get here. Better is subjective.....I'm going to go hypothetical here.....JJ committed on Sept 14th and Tremont committed on Oct 15th. How good is our team with those 2 in comparison to MSU? I'm gonna go on a limb and say we finish 3rd in the BE and make the tourney....I know, I know...hypothetical....😁
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 26, 2018 17:27:12 GMT -5
Would loved to have seen that.
But whether MSU was a better program than Georgetown when JJ was being recruited? Not in the least subjective. 100 out of 100 college hoops followers would say yes.
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Post by IDenj on Aug 26, 2018 18:56:35 GMT -5
The next player JJ lands for Georgetown will be the first. Maybe one day he might steer a kid out way. Anywho, on to the next kid.
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Post by RBHoya on Aug 27, 2018 6:44:14 GMT -5
Expecting Jaren to "deliver" us players, including his son, seems entitled. Remember that we are talking about Top 10 players here, with Jr. going to MSU and being a Top 5 pick and Stewart--if I were guessing--headed to Duke to be another 1-and-done just like Bagley and Carter this year, or Tatum, Giles, Ingram, Okafor, Parker etc. over the last few years. Given all of the attention a program like that receives and the comparatively little attention Georgetown has received in recent years, it's very difficult to compete with. The connection to Jaren is enough to get us a look, but expecting him to just seal the deal for us at a time when the team is sputtering (Jaren Jr.) or rebuilding (Stewart) is unreasonable. He's doing what a coach and father should do--presenting Georgetown, which he knows is a quality school and program, as an option. But beyond that, letting kids make the choice that fits best for them. It's hard to argue that MSU was a bad choice for junior, or that any of Stewart's remaining choices are bad options for him. Jaren's first responsibility is to the kids, not to his alma mater, and he has acted appropriately from that perspective.
I think not making this final list has opened some people's eyes to the fact that we have a long haul ahead of us, which has always been the case. I remember when Pat first got the job, many people had themselves convinced that he'd first convince Tremont Waters to come back, then he'd land Shaq's son because of course Shaq respects Pat, and then in 2019 highly regarded Jamaican bigs Stewart and Cockburn would be locks. Unfortunately, it is not so simple.
We've salvaged some solid classes in Patrick's first couple outings, largely through late signings of previously committed guys like Pickett and Akinjo. Hopefully this gives us enough of a core to turn things around on the court. If we want to start consistently recruiting guys in the Top 100 again, we're going to have to a) have better results on the court and b) start getting some people drafted again. One first round pick in the last 8 years isn't good enough. Kids all envision themselves as pros, and they want to see a track record that you can help them get there. I think almost just as important as winning more games over the next 2 years is that some of our guys who look like fringe pro prospects (Govan, Pickett, Yurtseven, Akinjo) need to grow into first-round or high draft picks. That'll be extremely important in changing perspective of the program among recruits.
Short-term, I think the play is to lock in 2-3 solid prospects with long-term potential. Wilson, Wahab, Gultekin and the numerous wings we're on would be fits. Go into the spring with a couple scholarships open, and keep your eyes peeled for elite players who are under the radar (ie. Otto Porter), late bloomers (ie. Greg Whittington), or de-commits/transfers (Pickett, Akinjo, Yurtseven). If there's improvement on the court that'll help our cause, and we can keep building this thing gradually. Maybe in another 2-3 years we'll be serious contenders for the next Isiah Stewart type.
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Post by dundermifflinhoya on Aug 27, 2018 8:24:08 GMT -5
JJ Jr. Seemed to make the right decision to me - top 5 pick and played fir a team favored to win the national championship. Georgetown does not make the tournament with JJ Jr. And who knows what he looks like as a draft picks with inferior players around him.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 27, 2018 19:09:22 GMT -5
Ewing isn't some decrepit relic. He's a Hall of Fame top 50 all time player. I'm not saying that centers like Kofi and Stewart should choose GU because of that, but who better to train these kids for the next level? Hopkins??? Boheem? And yes, I know Boheem is a Hall of Fame coach, but how many top centers has he sent to the NBA? Danny Schayes? Derek Coleman? Ha. Plus Stewart's father's favorite player was Ewing, and we can't even make his final 6? I don't get it.
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Post by ewingitrust on Aug 27, 2018 19:21:12 GMT -5
Let this ship sail away folks...no need to rehash what happened. Lets bury this thread.
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Post by navio on Aug 27, 2018 21:14:53 GMT -5
It is really disappointing to see a guy like Stewart turn us down, but I would just like to remind others that recruiting is so unpredictable. In this climate, it is possible that we still have a shot at Stewart down the road in the spring. Our new freshman guards were not originally committed to us...just remember that.
Not saying that Stewart is gonna eventually decommit, but we can't predict the future.
I have full faith in Ewing and his staff after the fantastic class(considering our record) that we pulled in 2018.
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Post by dense on Aug 28, 2018 7:53:45 GMT -5
Ewing isn't some decrepit relic. He's a Hall of Fame top 50 all time player. I'm not saying that centers like Kofi and Stewart should choose GU because of that, but who better to train these kids for the next level? Hopkins??? Boheem? And yes, I know Boheem is a Hall of Fame coach, but how many top centers has he sent to the NBA? Danny Schayes? Derek Coleman? Ha. Plus Stewart's father's favorite player was Ewing, and we can't even make his final 6? I don't get it. Syracuse is only on the list because they are his hometown team. Word is it is Duke or Villanova.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 28, 2018 7:58:51 GMT -5
If that’s the case...hoping for Nova.
Espn just did their breakdown of all the power conferences and left out the Big East of course. It’s hard for the BE to stay relevant...need all the talent we can get.
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Post by hoyazeke on Aug 28, 2018 8:15:42 GMT -5
If that’s the case...hoping for Nova. Espn just did their breakdown of all the power conferences and left out the Big East of course. It’s hard for the BE to stay relevant...need all the talent we can get. Anyone but Duke.....
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Post by Elvado on Aug 28, 2018 8:24:49 GMT -5
Ewing isn't some decrepit relic. He's a Hall of Fame top 50 all time player. I'm not saying that centers like Kofi and Stewart should choose GU because of that, but who better to train these kids for the next level? Hopkins??? Boheem? And yes, I know Boheem is a Hall of Fame coach, but how many top centers has he sent to the NBA? Danny Schayes? Derek Coleman? Ha. Plus Stewart's father's favorite player was Ewing, and we can't even make his final 6? I don't get it. Syracuse is only on the list because they are his hometown team. Word is it is Duke or Villanova. Hope it’s Duke then. They are a distant annoyance and it ups the chances he flops in the pros. Nova on the other hand annoys me up close and personal.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Aug 28, 2018 9:59:59 GMT -5
Jay Wright pitch to Stewart. "Come to Villanova and be the next Dante Cunningham"
If I were an elite big, Villanova wouldn't be on my list.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 28, 2018 10:12:05 GMT -5
Jay Wright pitch to Stewart. "Come to Villanova and be the next Dante Cunningham" If I were an elite big, Villanova wouldn't be on my list. [br Awesome. Still laughing.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 28, 2018 10:30:34 GMT -5
Jay Wright pitch to Stewart. "Come to Villanova and be the next Dante Cunningham" If I were an elite big, Villanova wouldn't be on my list. Omari Spellman did pretty well for himself @ Nova...
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Aug 28, 2018 10:43:19 GMT -5
Omari was also a top 20 recruit and honestly I'll be surprised if he matches Cunningham's NBA career.
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Post by dundermifflinhoya on Aug 28, 2018 10:43:21 GMT -5
Yeah, first round draft pick and winning a national championship. Georgetown needs to win consistently before we are going to land top 10 players. And to a former point, the college ranks are filled with great NBA players who could not recruit and win - ie Drexler and Mullin (although still hopeful for mullin).
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