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Post by professorhoya on Feb 15, 2016 8:53:49 GMT -5
Solid game by Mourning. Any chance we see him play a bit more at the 5? I think rebounding was hurt without Hayes in there - maybe he gets some of those rebounds end of game, but maybe Mourning can space offense a bit at times. Injuries will necessitate exactly that. As much as we've had the discussions about JT3, the cupboard is even more bare now. What depth we thought we'd have is gone. This final stretch will, likely, tell us more about his coaching and capabilities for adaptation than the season up until now. Maybe JT3 is better with fewer options? I don't know. But as flat as we've been at times and as off as some of the guys have been for stretches, the margin for error is zero at this point when it had been very slim from the start. Could be ugly if the inconsistencies persist which, to be fair, we should probably expect as the team hasn't shown that they won't. I'm still hopeful but I don't have any expectations. I'm excited to watch the next game because the pressure is on everyone. DSR can't carry a team for extended periods and that should never have been the expectation this year. It should be Isaac and LJ's team and DSR should add what he adds. Points and clutch buckets. Everyone says that DSR lets the game come to him but we, somehow, seem surprised when he doesn't take over a game. Taking over a game is not his skillset. Killing you on offense is at times. When he's going good. But he's always been streaky and he doesn't have a broad enough set of skills to dominate if he's not consistently knocking down shots. I don't mean that as a shot at him. He's a very good college player. His best skill is scoring. When he's not scoring, because he's a bit streaky, we shouldn't expect him to carry the team. To his credit, he's improved as a facilitator. But it's not what comes naturally to him. And he's not alone in that regard on this Hoya squad. Who is a facilitator that is also available to play? Dsr is a very good player. He's athletically limited and people tend to penalize him too much for it. He's basically the same type of player as kellen dunham but people don't get on kellen dunham for not being able to dominate the game by himself or overcome his athletic limitations. It's basically almost impossible to dominate a game from the guard position without any other consistent support/offensive weapons. Even the greatest, Michael Jordan could not really win until he had Pippin and Horace grant to take the defensive pressure off him on offense.
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Post by jester on Feb 15, 2016 15:43:17 GMT -5
Agreed, and I think that's what hurts the most this season - we thought Isaac or Peak would dictate more than they have, but especially in isaacs case he really needs the offense to get him a shot or good look, he hasn't been able to get defenses to focus on him. He didn't need to be Jeff green but I think DSR has gotten a lot of pressure on him.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 15, 2016 16:22:06 GMT -5
As Forest Gump said " life is like a box of chocolates....." This season has been a weird one for JTIII. At first his cupboard was overflowing with good recruits from last year, good recruits this year and a senior project that was playing great. Then all of a sudden White, and Agau were gone for the season and now Hayes lost indefinitely. As someone hinted earlier I think III is more comfortable at this stage of his career with working with less. Knowing who the pieces are going to be each game rather than hsving a choice between pieces. It's as though he prefers knowing who's as to be coached up rather than having a choice between several players. Well this theory of mine is about to be tested. I think only having Govan and Morning available at center will make III devise game plans that will utilize both of their skill sets and minimize their deficuencies. Govan is learning that he has to work for position before the shot on offense and defense instead of trying to jump over the back of his man as he did in high school. Mourning likewise has too work extra hard to prevent larger bigs from getting the ball down low. I believe we will see each better at these things next game and the use of both big men utilized better. I also wish he would try going small with Derrickson at the five.
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Post by dense on Feb 15, 2016 23:43:12 GMT -5
As Forest Gump said " life is like a box of chocolates....." This season has been a weird one for JTIII. At first his cupboard was overflowing with good recruits from last year, good recruits this year and a senior project that was playing great. Then all of a sudden White, and Agau were gone for the season and now Hayes lost indefinitely. As someone hinted earlier I think III is more comfortable at this stage of his career with working with less. Knowing who the pieces are going to be each game rather than hsving a choice between pieces. It's as though he prefers knowing who's as to be coached up rather than having a choice between several players. Well this theory of mine is about to be tested. I think only having Govan and Morning available at center will make III devise game plans that will utilize both of their skill sets and minimize their deficuencies. Govan is learning that he has to work for position before the shot on offense and defense instead of trying to jump over the back of his man as he did in high school. Mourning likewise has too work extra hard to prevent larger bigs from getting the ball down low. I believe we will see each better at these things next game and the use of both big men utilized better. I also wish he would try going small with Derrickson at the five. Derrickson did play some 5 against PC.
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Post by aggypryd on Feb 16, 2016 12:32:34 GMT -5
It seems like Zo the third is one of the few Hoyas that plays with a sense of urgency every time he steps on the court. The Hoya team that showed up in the last few minutes of the 1st half and second half of the Providence game was what I was expecting to see all year. We need someone to step up other than LJ and Trey. Tre Campbell has got to become more of a solid contributor over the next two weeks for us to finish this season on a positive note.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 16, 2016 12:54:32 GMT -5
Little Zo 'talks more than ANYONE out there. Great heart great hustle i told you all after the summer kenner and italy he was MUCH improved and even coach said it now we need him and can use his hustle seems his lack of weight dont hurt his hustling d and rebounding either.
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Post by trillesthoya on Feb 16, 2016 14:17:49 GMT -5
How are our Mourning/Derrickson line-ups? Marcus is a fairly decent rebounder so hopefully he can make up for Mourning when he gets out muscled down low, but I haven't been keeping close enough watch to see if they mesh well together.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 16, 2016 14:39:01 GMT -5
How are our Mourning/Derrickson line-ups? Marcus is a fairly decent rebounder so hopefully he can make up for Mourning when he gets out muscled down low, but I haven't been keeping close enough watch to see if they mesh well together. I don't know that we've had a large enough sample size but they played well together in the second against Providence. We'll see plenty of that combo if Govan can't stay out of foul trouble.
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Post by joey0403p on Feb 16, 2016 18:22:36 GMT -5
Injuries will necessitate exactly that. As much as we've had the discussions about JT3, the cupboard is even more bare now. What depth we thought we'd have is gone. This final stretch will, likely, tell us more about his coaching and capabilities for adaptation than the season up until now. Maybe JT3 is better with fewer options? I don't know. But as flat as we've been at times and as off as some of the guys have been for stretches, the margin for error is zero at this point when it had been very slim from the start. Could be ugly if the inconsistencies persist which, to be fair, we should probably expect as the team hasn't shown that they won't. I'm still hopeful but I don't have any expectations. I'm excited to watch the next game because the pressure is on everyone. DSR can't carry a team for extended periods and that should never have been the expectation this year. It should be Isaac and LJ's team and DSR should add what he adds. Points and clutch buckets. Everyone says that DSR lets the game come to him but we, somehow, seem surprised when he doesn't take over a game. Taking over a game is not his skillset. Killing you on offense is at times. When he's going good. But he's always been streaky and he doesn't have a broad enough set of skills to dominate if he's not consistently knocking down shots. I don't mean that as a shot at him. He's a very good college player. His best skill is scoring. When he's not scoring, because he's a bit streaky, we shouldn't expect him to carry the team. To his credit, he's improved as a facilitator. But it's not what comes naturally to him. And he's not alone in that regard on this Hoya squad. Who is a facilitator that is also available to play? Dsr is a very good player. He's athletically limited and people tend to penalize him too much for it. He's basically the same type of player as kellen dunham but people don't get on kellen dunham for not being able to dominate the game by himself or overcome his athletic limitations. It's basically almost impossible to dominate a game from the guard position without any other consistent support/offensive weapons. Even the greatest, Michael Jordan could not really win until he had Pippin and Horace grant to take the defensive pressure off him on offense. You are wrong. Did you say Jordan couldn't dominate until he had pippen and Horace grant? Wrong. Jordan averaged 28.2 pts a game and 37.1 pts a game in the two full seasons he played before pippen joined the team. I'm discounting the 85-86 season when he only played 18 games (he averaged 23). Jordan didn't win a championship until grant and pippen showed up. But I'd argue that was a combination of the bulls teams growing and you know magic, Kareem, bird, and the bad boys. You're just wrong. Guards consistently dominate games. In addition to Jordan, Nash, Paul, iverson, Chauncey, Thomas, magic. Every single one of these guys dominated the game from the guard spot. Wow you are wrong about gaurds not dominating. And iverson is a great example. He had ZERO help basically at one point in philly and still dominated. I'm not comparing dsr to them. And dsr certainly has his limits. The comp to Dunham is an interesting one. I think it's more like Dunham with less height. Or a slower Scottie Reynolds.
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Post by practice on Feb 18, 2016 14:50:30 GMT -5
Admittedly Govan had a career night (hopefully the first of many), but how does Trey only get 3 minutes in the Seton Hall game? I'm looking at Trey and I see a prototypical 4, not a 5. I guess the strategy was to save his fouls in case of Govan fouling out ... and Govan was so productive that it didn't make any sense to sit him ... but 3 minutes? Was Derrickson that great last night ... or Copeland? Trey's going to make plenty of mistakes ... it's only natural because he gets limited playing time. This is pretty much a lost season at this point, let's play the kid and see if he develops. Right now he looks to have as much potential/upside as most anyone else on this sinking ship.
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