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Post by jester on Feb 13, 2016 16:12:08 GMT -5
Solid game by Mourning. Any chance we see him play a bit more at the 5? I think rebounding was hurt without Hayes in there - maybe he gets some of those rebounds end of game, but maybe Mourning can space offense a bit at times.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 13, 2016 16:20:17 GMT -5
Solid game by Mourning. Any chance we see him play a bit more at the 5? I think rebounding was hurt without Hayes in there - maybe he gets some of those rebounds end of game, but maybe Mourning can space offense a bit at times. I know he is a center and doesn't play much. But , honestly, he may be the best passer on this team.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2016 16:26:14 GMT -5
The best passer on the team sits on the bench all game long in a nice suit because of a season-ending injury
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2016 16:31:29 GMT -5
Solid game by Mourning. Any chance we see him play a bit more at the 5? I think rebounding was hurt without Hayes in there - maybe he gets some of those rebounds end of game, but maybe Mourning can space offense a bit at times. If Govan keeps pushing guys in the back to get a rebound Trey will get plenty of minutes.
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Post by mapei on Feb 13, 2016 16:36:04 GMT -5
With Trey you get good offense but give up some on defense, especially against bigs.
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jester
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Post by jester on Feb 13, 2016 16:46:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately, no one seems to be that proficient in stopping bigs and maybe we dont face too many difference makers on that end. i suppose it depends on match ups and foul issues, but sometimes it maybe be a worthwhile tradeoff.
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 13, 2016 17:25:07 GMT -5
Its hard to stop opposing bigs when your hands are as straight up as 180 degrees can be and you are fouled out of the game when Bentil misses a shot. Really, the foul calling on us is atrocious particularly when you consider the no call on the smack by Dunn to DSR's head and the 4 step travelling allowed for Dunn most times he went to the hoop! I really think looking back we are owed about 5 games by the refs and their lousy calls! Sorry for whining, just sad that such bad officiating has made this season sad to watch! I have to wonder if our video coordinator sends all the missed fouls to the commish and the director of officiating so they an see what an awesome job their officiating crews have been doing!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 13, 2016 17:27:19 GMT -5
What is Akoy's eligibility situation? He would have been eligible after the first semester this year with 2.5 years left so would he still have 2.5 (I don't know how that would work) or does he just have 2? He actually has three. The reason he would have only had 2.5 originally is because he transferred mid-season, and playing at all in a season "uses" a season of eligibility. Thus, he would've had 2.5 But, since he got injured and didn't play at all, he has 3.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 13, 2016 18:13:39 GMT -5
With Trey you get good offense but give up some on defense, especially against bigs. Don't give up any defense on the pick-n-roll with Mourning on the floor, that's for sure.
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Post by Eurostar on Feb 13, 2016 18:31:21 GMT -5
Mourning is WAY better at defending the high pick and roll than Hayes or Govan, he is much quicker and hedges well. Has good instincts. This is what has KILLED us all season long, and its good to see that we have at least one big who can defend this.
He does give up a little on the inside because he gets pushed around more and doesn't aggressively go for the rebound.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 13, 2016 19:07:48 GMT -5
? Trey's the best post defender. At least his head is in the game defensively
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 13, 2016 19:11:30 GMT -5
Mourning is WAY better at defending the high pick and roll than Hayes or Govan, he is much quicker and hedges well. Has good instincts. This is what has KILLED us all season long, and its good to see that we have at least one big who can defend this. He does give up a little on the inside because he gets pushed around more and doesn't aggressively go for the rebound. exactly! and he'll get good at rebounding (although he seemed to get better THIS game as he got more comfy) when he bulks up. I've been begging for the guy to get more time since beginning of season. He's "aware" - and that's good. How many layups behind him can Hayes give up? How many poor fouling decisions can Govan give up. Again, i think Govan and Mourning should BOTH start because GU has a Cinderalla inside presence right now...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2016 19:12:18 GMT -5
? Trey's the best post defender. At least his head is in the game defensively Not a good "post" defender, that implies the opposing big posting up down low, where Trey often gets abused. But up high and on the P&R he definitely has the advantage.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 13, 2016 19:18:29 GMT -5
True. But Trey uses his instincts to do what he can in the post at this point. that's all you can ask. Otto used to do that. He'll get stronger.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 13, 2016 19:21:11 GMT -5
My main thing is Trey's competitiveness. He hates to lose against his matchup and against the other team
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 13, 2016 19:37:54 GMT -5
Well now that the season is lost and Hayes is out, JTIII might actually be saved from himself and forced to give Trey some meaningful PT down the stretch.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 14, 2016 23:44:48 GMT -5
Well now that the season is lost and Hayes is out, JTIII might actually be saved from himself and forced to give Trey some meaningful PT down the stretch. Given that Govan fouls too much, it looks like Mourning will not have at on of trouble getting minutes. Ideally, we'd play Govan 30 minutes at center, but he cannot stop fouling, which prevents him from doing so. I'd also like to see a small lineup with Derrickson at the 5 but JT3 hasn't done that.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 15, 2016 0:00:11 GMT -5
Solid game by Mourning. Any chance we see him play a bit more at the 5? I think rebounding was hurt without Hayes in there - maybe he gets some of those rebounds end of game, but maybe Mourning can space offense a bit at times. I know he is a center and doesn't play much. But , honestly, he may be the best passer on this team. I agree. He's the best active player for sure. I don't think it's all that close. And that's a hugely important skill that is lacking with this group. To his credit, LJ is improving in certain scenarios but I don't think anyone would call him a plus passer. Cameron is probably next up behind Mourning in that regard but it's not really close.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 15, 2016 0:03:12 GMT -5
? Trey's the best post defender. At least his head is in the game defensively Not a good "post" defender, that implies the opposing big posting up down low, where Trey often gets abused. But up high and on the P&R he definitely has the advantage. +1. He doesn't have the strength yet to compete down low and opponents take advantage. I think you almost have to have MD on the floor when Mourning is on the floor to compensate. More generally, I'd like to see our guys post their men up more like they did 2 games ago. Especially with the truest 5 out, we need it to facilitate the inside/out game.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 15, 2016 0:13:03 GMT -5
Solid game by Mourning. Any chance we see him play a bit more at the 5? I think rebounding was hurt without Hayes in there - maybe he gets some of those rebounds end of game, but maybe Mourning can space offense a bit at times. Injuries will necessitate exactly that. As much as we've had the discussions about JT3, the cupboard is even more bare now. What depth we thought we'd have is gone. This final stretch will, likely, tell us more about his coaching and capabilities for adaptation than the season up until now. Maybe JT3 is better with fewer options? I don't know. But as flat as we've been at times and as off as some of the guys have been for stretches, the margin for error is zero at this point when it had been very slim from the start. Could be ugly if the inconsistencies persist which, to be fair, we should probably expect as the team hasn't shown that they won't. I'm still hopeful but I don't have any expectations. I'm excited to watch the next game because the pressure is on everyone. DSR can't carry a team for extended periods and that should never have been the expectation this year. It should be Isaac and LJ's team and DSR should add what he adds. Points and clutch buckets. Everyone says that DSR lets the game come to him but we, somehow, seem surprised when he doesn't take over a game. Taking over a game is not his skillset. Killing you on offense is at times. When he's going good. But he's always been streaky and he doesn't have a broad enough set of skills to dominate if he's not consistently knocking down shots. I don't mean that as a shot at him. He's a very good college player. His best skill is scoring. When he's not scoring, because he's a bit streaky, we shouldn't expect him to carry the team. To his credit, he's improved as a facilitator. But it's not what comes naturally to him. And he's not alone in that regard on this Hoya squad. Who is a facilitator that is also available to play?
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