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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 8, 2016 23:04:16 GMT -5
Wins are good. I thought we played well offensively. To state the obvious, its just an incredible difference when Ike is a weapon and LJ plays like that. The Euro Step could be a revelation.
Our D really wasn't all that good. The Johnnies are just awful.
God, the officiating is so bad. For both teams. So inconsistent. The foul on Kaleb toward the end of the game in the post was an embarrassment.
I liked that we pulled out a few new sets with our regulars in garbage time. That double high screen that DSR ran off? I mean, that's what people (including me) call for us to add. It didn't work, but I appreciate the effort. I don't think I've seen a III team run that particular set. It looked like DSR was having a lot of fun out there. And good for him.
Kind of odd that STJ of all teams was able to make our press look that bad. I liked that III stuck with it for a decent amount even after they got a couple easy ones. I thought he gave up on it at the right time.
We got the one we desperately needed. Buckle up, I think these last six are going to be heartburn inducing.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 8, 2016 23:43:41 GMT -5
Mullen doesn't seem to do much on the bench. A classic moment was right after Peak drove the lane for an easy dunk when no one from St John's rotated over, the camera focused on Mullen with a blank look on his face, just as Rafferty was saying "nobody home." Not that I disagree but he also knows what he has on his roster. Not much in the way of basketball skill there. They have some athletes but they don't have players. To their credit, they get after it on D and play hard and don't fold. Sort of the exact opposite of many of the criticisms of JT3 and his teams on this board. We lack effort at times. I don't see that with the Johnnies. Clearly, they're rebuilding. But they're still working and competing. I respect that. I hope it breeds more of the same and that the Johnnies get back to where they once were. Not that we can't use the easy wins. But our Hoyas aren't exactly steering the conference ship at this point. The more competitive and relevant programs in the conference, the better. Also, what choice does Mullin have? Doesn't he have to keep it light? They're not winning. They're losing a ton. How long can you hammer a group of guys before you lose them? I respect that they come to compete. It can't be easy on the coaches or the players.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 8, 2016 23:49:43 GMT -5
Don't forget, we're playing St. John's... Anything to build momentum What? Are you trying to get me going again about the scheduling and confidence building?
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 9, 2016 0:00:18 GMT -5
I don't care who we just played. At this point, every win drops my blood pressure, at least incrementally. Know the feeling. It has been difficult to watch.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 9, 2016 0:03:42 GMT -5
Anything to build momentum What? Are you trying to get me going again about the scheduling and confidence building? I mean you couldn't really complain about how we end the regular season if you want confidence building: signs against SH, life against SJU, big game against Provvy, redemption against SH, battle vs X, tune up against Butler, convingingly over Marquette, then finish off the year with a huge win over #1 Villanova.* Really though, no stretch in that is ridiculous but we definitely have places to turn the season around. We need to play more like tonight (and many of our other wins) rather then in other games. Obviously shooting well is key but we also need to cut down on mistakes that turn into fouls and turnovers. Just as I said before this game that a loss could kill our season, a win on Saturday could really catapult us into the right direction. Hard to have faith with the season so far but hey, that's why we're fan(atics). *No I don't realistically think we'll go 6-0 over the rest of the season but its fun to dream.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 9, 2016 0:09:43 GMT -5
I am very torn about the schedule we played this year. With the losses to the people we were kind of expected to lose to and the couple of losses to people we should have beaten handily, has made our year look unimpressive and highly suspect. Hope we can get it done on Saturday.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 9, 2016 9:34:54 GMT -5
Wins are good. I thought we played well offensively. To state the obvious, its just an incredible difference when Ike is a weapon and LJ plays like that. The Euro Step could be a revelation. Our D really wasn't all that good. The Johnnies are just awful. God, the officiating is so bad. For both teams. So inconsistent. The foul on Kaleb toward the end of the game in the post was an embarrassment. I liked that we pulled out a few new sets with our regulars in garbage time. That double high screen that DSR ran off? I mean, that's what people (including me) call for us to add. It didn't work, but I appreciate the effort. I don't think I've seen a III team run that particular set. It looked like DSR was having a lot of fun out there. And good for him. Kind of odd that STJ of all teams was able to make our press look that bad. I liked that III stuck with it for a decent amount even after they got a couple easy ones. I thought he gave up on it at the right time. We got the one we desperately needed. Buckle up, I think these last six are going to be heartburn inducing. Funny, I watched that double screen off of the in bounds a few times in slow motion....everything was executed perfectly except for the shot going down. Was happy to see another arrow in our quiver.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 9, 2016 10:16:01 GMT -5
I am very torn about the schedule we played this year. With the losses to the people we were kind of expected to lose to and the couple of losses to people we should have beaten handily, has made our year look unimpressive and highly suspect. Hope we can get it done on Saturday. I'll bite on this. What are you talking about? I really dont understand how anyone could have any problem with our schedule.
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Post by b52legend on Feb 9, 2016 11:02:58 GMT -5
I am very torn about the schedule we played this year. With the losses to the people we were kind of expected to lose to and the couple of losses to people we should have beaten handily, has made our year look unimpressive and highly suspect. Hope we can get it done on Saturday. I'll bite on this. What are you talking about? I really dont understand how anyone could have any problem with our schedule. Yeah, I think our year has "in fact" been unimpressive and highly suspect -- I don't think the schedule has made it look that way.
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Post by 2ndRyan on Feb 9, 2016 11:35:04 GMT -5
Ike has made some great cuts, but has not been rewarded with the ball back.
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Post by 2ndRyan on Feb 9, 2016 11:36:06 GMT -5
Ike has made some great cuts, but has not been rewarded with the ball back.
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Post by 2ndRyan on Feb 9, 2016 11:38:25 GMT -5
Re Ike and his cuts to the hoop tonight, i also noticed he seemed to make three great cuts and get some good separation in the paint. Hope they pick it up on film and look to get him him the ball.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 9, 2016 12:30:02 GMT -5
OK went to the hoop CHECK pressed em up CHECK issac BACKKKKKKKKK BIG CHECK go hoyas keep it up TO THEHOOP early and often INSIDE OUT rebounds etc etc etc and defense DOABLE. especially if BEN B still a little gimpy GO HOYAS isaac is bacccccckkkkkk totally different team with the NEW OLD ISSAC imo.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 9, 2016 13:12:05 GMT -5
I'll bite on this. What are you talking about? I really dont understand how anyone could have any problem with our schedule. Yeah, I think our year has "in fact" been unimpressive and highly suspect -- I don't think the schedule has made it look that way. I have a little different take on the schedule. The early ooc losses will hurt the Hoyas chances of getting to the NCAA, no doubt. However, I think the early tough schedule may have had a hindering effect on the maturity of the freshmen and sophomores on the team. St. John's is a bad team this year and the Hoyas two wins against them have reflected that, but wouldn't it have been nice to have several more of the St Leo's on the schedule this year in order for the incoming freshmen who were going to be counted on to play a lot of minutes, to build their confidence? I know the Committee gives a lot of weight to a hard schedule, but I think JT III may have miscalculated the maturity of Peak and Copeland. When you look at how they have played with unincumbered confidence against St Johns, you wonder if a few more of these games would have let them gain that confidence. As a father I know all to well the tendency of your children to dismiss all the advice you give them on life, because they think your ideas do not apply to the modern world. JTII all ways played the cupcake schedule in order to build towards the conference seasoning banked on wins in that season would outweigh the discount of the cream puffs By the committee. In a normal 4 year recruiting cycle you would have your balance of upper class men to underclass men, but due to early leaves and recruiting misses, this year left an inordinate amount of underclass men that would be counted on from day one. If III had an Otto on this team, I do not believe we would be as stressed out over this season results, but Copeland and Peak though enormously talented seem to not have the mental toughness at this stage to handle the responsibility to carry this team along side DSR. Let's hope the light has come on for them.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 9, 2016 14:58:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I think our year has "in fact" been unimpressive and highly suspect -- I don't think the schedule has made it look that way. I have a little different take on the schedule. The early ooc losses will hurt the Hoyas chances of getting to the NCAA, no doubt. However, I think the early tough schedule may have had a hindering effect on the maturity of the freshmen and sophomores on the team. St. John's is a bad team this year and the Hoyas two wins against them have reflected that, but wouldn't it have been nice to have several more of the St Leo's on the schedule this year in order for the incoming freshmen who were going to be counted on to play a lot of minutes, to build their confidence? I know the Committee gives a lot of weight to a hard schedule, but I think JT III may have miscalculated the maturity of Peak and Copeland. When you look at how they have played with unincumbered confidence against St Johns, you wonder if a few more of these games would have let them gain that confidence. As a father I know all to well the tendency of your children to dismiss all the advice you give them on life, because they think your ideas do not apply to the modern world. JTII all ways played the cupcake schedule in order to build towards the conference seasoning banked on wins in that season would outweigh the discount of the cream puffs By the committee. In a normal 4 year recruiting cycle you would have your balance of upper class men to underclass men, but due to early leaves and recruiting misses, this year left an inordinate amount of underclass men that would be counted on from day one. If III had an Otto on this team, I do not believe we would be as stressed out over this season results, but Copeland and Peak though enormously talented seem to not have the mental toughness at this stage to handle the responsibility to carry this team along side DSR. Let's hope the light has come on for them. But, again, we did schedule those teams. The difference is that this year we lost to 3 of them. It was unfortunate that Monmouth was pretty good, but UNCA and Radford are teams we have played and beaten at home literally 100 times out of 100. There is no shame in sprinkling in a true road game against Maryland so we can have them back next year or a game against Syracuse, which by the the way, may be one of the biggest reasons we are hanging on to a decent chance for the tourney. And pre-season neutral games are basically par for the course right now and give the Big East and Gtown good exposure. I guess Im pretty defensive about this because I think our schedule is one of the biggest reasons we've been well seeded in the past, and even on the bubble in years when we are 17-14. I used to hate our cupcake schedule. It drove me crazy. It's a badge of honor that III has had very tough schedules, IMO. Can you imagine if we lost those 3 games and our wins were against Coastal Carolina and FIU, instead of Syracuse and Wisconsin? We wouldnt even be on the tourney radar. Fair or not success is measured by the NCAA Tournament, and a good schedule gives you a better chance in that regard. just MO.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 9, 2016 15:26:18 GMT -5
I have a little different take on the schedule. The early ooc losses will hurt the Hoyas chances of getting to the NCAA, no doubt. However, I think the early tough schedule may have had a hindering effect on the maturity of the freshmen and sophomores on the team. St. John's is a bad team this year and the Hoyas two wins against them have reflected that, but wouldn't it have been nice to have several more of the St Leo's on the schedule this year in order for the incoming freshmen who were going to be counted on to play a lot of minutes, to build their confidence? I know the Committee gives a lot of weight to a hard schedule, but I think JT III may have miscalculated the maturity of Peak and Copeland. When you look at how they have played with unincumbered confidence against St Johns, you wonder if a few more of these games would have let them gain that confidence. As a father I know all to well the tendency of your children to dismiss all the advice you give them on life, because they think your ideas do not apply to the modern world. JTII all ways played the cupcake schedule in order to build towards the conference seasoning banked on wins in that season would outweigh the discount of the cream puffs By the committee. In a normal 4 year recruiting cycle you would have your balance of upper class men to underclass men, but due to early leaves and recruiting misses, this year left an inordinate amount of underclass men that would be counted on from day one. If III had an Otto on this team, I do not believe we would be as stressed out over this season results, but Copeland and Peak though enormously talented seem to not have the mental toughness at this stage to handle the responsibility to carry this team along side DSR. Let's hope the light has come on for them. But, again, we did schedule those teams. The difference is that this year we lost to 3 of them. It was unfortunate that Monmouth was pretty good, but UNCA and Radford are teams we have played and beaten at home literally 100 times out of 100. There is no shame in sprinkling in a true road game against Maryland so we can have them back next year or a game against Syracuse, which by the the way, may be one of the biggest reasons we are hanging on to a decent chance for the tourney. And pre-season neutral games are basically par for the course right now and give the Big East and Gtown good exposure. I guess Im pretty defensive about this because I think our schedule is one of the biggest reasons we've been well seeded in the past, and even on the bubble in years when we are 17-14. Can you imagine if we lost those 3 games and our wins were against Coastal Carolina and FIU, instead of Syracuse and Wisconsin? We wouldnt even be on the tourney radar. Fair or not success is measured by the NCAA Tournament, and a good schedule gives you a better chance in that regard. just MO. Yes and no. Yes the teams you mentioned are mid-majors but they are good mid majors with mostly senior leadership. They also are the types of teams that have traditionally given the Hoyas problems in the NCAA. I know JTIII was trying to practice against the type team he thought they would see in the tournament, but a team with less upperclassmen and not so fast guards would have been better for this young teams confidence. I did not initially have any problem with the schedule because I saw what III was trying to do. I really think he was relying upon a maturity level in his sophomore class that just was not there. The way Copeland , Peak and Campbell played last year, it was not illogical for him to take that gamble that they would be able to handle the leadership role Jabril, Hopson and Bowen provided last year. There are still a few games left in the regular season, so let's hope LJ and Isaac at least have turned the corner. Even if they lose to a Providence or Villanova, but LJ and Peak play like they did last night ,then their chances of making enough noise in the conference championship and impressing the Committee enough to get in is good.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 9, 2016 15:53:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I think our year has "in fact" been unimpressive and highly suspect -- I don't think the schedule has made it look that way. I have a little different take on the schedule. The early ooc losses will hurt the Hoyas chances of getting to the NCAA, no doubt. However, I think the early tough schedule may have had a hindering effect on the maturity of the freshmen and sophomores on the team. St. John's is a bad team this year and the Hoyas two wins against them have reflected that, but wouldn't it have been nice to have several more of the St Leo's on the schedule this year in order for the incoming freshmen who were going to be counted on to play a lot of minutes, to build their confidence? I know the Committee gives a lot of weight to a hard schedule, but I think JT III may have miscalculated the maturity of Peak and Copeland. When you look at how they have played with unincumbered confidence against St Johns, you wonder if a few more of these games would have let them gain that confidence. As a father I know all to well the tendency of your children to dismiss all the advice you give them on life, because they think your ideas do not apply to the modern world. JTII all ways played the cupcake schedule in order to build towards the conference seasoning banked on wins in that season would outweigh the discount of the cream puffs By the committee. In a normal 4 year recruiting cycle you would have your balance of upper class men to underclass men, but due to early leaves and recruiting misses, this year left an inordinate amount of underclass men that would be counted on from day one. If III had an Otto on this team, I do not believe we would be as stressed out over this season results, but Copeland and Peak though enormously talented seem to not have the mental toughness at this stage to handle the responsibility to carry this team along side DSR. Let's hope the light has come on for them. Thank you! I am always reminded of the words of JT2: "...He d-- sure ain't learn scheduling from me." Pops, whatever you say about his scheduling knew how to bring players along, build confidence. Now before you all start attacking, I know that the reality of College basketball has changed, that we need exposure outside of the conference, and all that. however, I seriously doubt that JT3 would do the same again with the number of freshmen we have.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 9, 2016 15:56:15 GMT -5
But, again, we did schedule those teams. The difference is that this year we lost to 3 of them. It was unfortunate that Monmouth was pretty good, but UNCA and Radford are teams we have played and beaten at home literally 100 times out of 100. There is no shame in sprinkling in a true road game against Maryland so we can have them back next year or a game against Syracuse, which by the the way, may be one of the biggest reasons we are hanging on to a decent chance for the tourney. And pre-season neutral games are basically par for the course right now and give the Big East and Gtown good exposure. I guess Im pretty defensive about this because I think our schedule is one of the biggest reasons we've been well seeded in the past, and even on the bubble in years when we are 17-14. Can you imagine if we lost those 3 games and our wins were against Coastal Carolina and FIU, instead of Syracuse and Wisconsin? We wouldnt even be on the tourney radar. Fair or not success is measured by the NCAA Tournament, and a good schedule gives you a better chance in that regard. just MO. Yes and no. Yes the teams you mentioned are mid-majors but they are good mid majors with mostly senior leadership. They also are the types of teams that have traditionally given the Hoyas problems in the NCAA. I know JTIII was trying to practice against the type team he thought they would see in the tournament, but a team with less upperclassmen and not so fast guards would have been better for this young teams confidence. I did not initially have any problem with the schedule because I saw what III was trying to do. I really think he was relying upon a maturity level in his sophomore class that just was not there. The way Copeland , Peak and Campbell played last year, it was not illogical for him to take that gamble that they would be able to handle the leadership role Jabril, Hopson and Bowen provided last year. There are still a few games left in the regular season, so let's hope LJ and Isaac at least have turned the corner. Even if they lose to a Providence or Villanova, but LJ and Peak play like they did last night ,then their chances of making enough noise in the conference championship and impressing the Committee enough to get in is good. No one is saying "illogical," just maybe ill advised. That's all. We were not ready to mix it up with the big boys--yet. Heck we were embarrassed by Radford and Monmouth, for goodness sakes.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 9, 2016 16:00:17 GMT -5
I am very torn about the schedule we played this year. With the losses to the people we were kind of expected to lose to and the couple of losses to people we should have beaten handily, has made our year look unimpressive and highly suspect. Hope we can get it done on Saturday. I'll bite on this. What are you talking about? I really dont understand how anyone could have any problem with our schedule. Leave out the absolutist terms, please. What do you mean by no one can have reservations about the schedule. Some people do. JT2, for one.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 9, 2016 16:01:21 GMT -5
But, again, we did schedule those teams. The difference is that this year we lost to 3 of them. It was unfortunate that Monmouth was pretty good, but UNCA and Radford are teams we have played and beaten at home literally 100 times out of 100. There is no shame in sprinkling in a true road game against Maryland so we can have them back next year or a game against Syracuse, which by the the way, may be one of the biggest reasons we are hanging on to a decent chance for the tourney. And pre-season neutral games are basically par for the course right now and give the Big East and Gtown good exposure. I guess Im pretty defensive about this because I think our schedule is one of the biggest reasons we've been well seeded in the past, and even on the bubble in years when we are 17-14. Can you imagine if we lost those 3 games and our wins were against Coastal Carolina and FIU, instead of Syracuse and Wisconsin? We wouldnt even be on the tourney radar. Fair or not success is measured by the NCAA Tournament, and a good schedule gives you a better chance in that regard. just MO. Yes and no. Yes the teams you mentioned are mid-majors but they are good mid majors with mostly senior leadership. They also are the types of teams that have traditionally given the Hoyas problems in the NCAA. I know JTIII was trying to practice against the type team he thought they would see in the tournament, but a team with less upperclassmen and not so fast guards would have been better for this young teams confidence. I did not initially have any problem with the schedule because I saw what III was trying to do. I really think he was relying upon a maturity level in his sophomore class that just was not there. The way Copeland , Peak and Campbell played last year, it was not illogical for him to take that gamble that they would be able to handle the leadership role Jabril, Hopson and Bowen provided last year. There are still a few games left in the regular season, so let's hope LJ and Isaac at least have turned the corner. Even if they lose to a Providence or Villanova, but LJ and Peak play like they did last night ,then their chances of making enough noise in the conference championship and impressing the Committee enough to get in is good. There's a video of a pre-game press conference where JT3 says that maybe he made a miscalculation on the strength of this year's OOC. Not sure which pre-game...
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