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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 8:44:17 GMT -5
The officiating was certainly better than the Creighton game, but Bradley got called for the foul on this play despite Dunn's elbow to his chest.
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Post by Filo on Feb 1, 2016 8:53:09 GMT -5
The officiating was certainly better than the Creighton game, but Bradley got called for the foul on this play despite Dunn's elbow to his chest. I am a broken record on this but... Why is a 7-footer leaving his feet? A foul will be called against him every time.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 1, 2016 9:42:51 GMT -5
The officiating was certainly better than the Creighton game, but Bradley got called for the foul on this play despite Dunn's elbow to his chest. I am a broken record on this but... Why is a 7-footer leaving his feet? A foul will be called against him every time. Not just leaving his feet, but with his arms bent downward. Have to do better. He was for a stretch earlier in the season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 10:11:31 GMT -5
Don't you guys know how to be Hoya homers? He jumped with his arms straight up, but Dunn pushed him so hard that he went backwards. We got shafted.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 1, 2016 10:15:33 GMT -5
Don't you guys know how to be Hoya homers? He jumped with his arms straight up, but Dunn pushed him so hard that he went backwards. We got shafted. The problem with using a static photo. There's no way to know whether Hayes brought his arms down b/c its one of his bad habits, or in reaction to getting the elbow to the chest. Of course, if he'd just paid more attention to Roy, he'd know to stay on his feet and exploit verticality. And, it's probably worth pointing out that when two players run into each mid-jump, its almost the defensive player that gets called for the foul.
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 1, 2016 11:15:45 GMT -5
In my opinion, which admittedly means absolutely nothing, this team needs to focus on two things moving forward: getting to the rim and rebounding.
I know this team isn't exactly built on dribble-drive guys. But we began both of our runs against Providence in the first and second halves when guys stopped settling for jumpers and tried to get to the rim. Yes, that can get ugly, but Peak, DSR, Tre and even Ike can do it. Not only does it get us to the line, which is where JT3's teams routinely get killed and where we shoot a very high percentage, but it also puts us in the type of aggressive frame of mind which I think is this team's true Achilles' (this is a mellow, smooth group reflecting 3's personality and desperately in need of an injection of Brilly).
Also, I think going to the rim is the best way to get Ike out of his slump.
Honestly, I don't know why we are literally the last team on the planet to try and build a team on drive-and-kick basketball. The rule changes have made it almost insane to base a college offense around any other strategy. I have Sixers season tix, which is penance enough for any person, but the differences in how the games are called are astonishing. They literally almost aren't the same games. I think JT3's motion offense would still be almost as effective as drive-and-kick in pros. But in college, where you are no longer allowed to bump anyone, our failure to make the transition to a slashing, guard-centric system is killing us.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Feb 1, 2016 12:11:53 GMT -5
I am a broken record on this but... Why is a 7-footer leaving his feet? A foul will be called against him every time. Not just leaving his feet, but with his arms bent downward. Have to do better. He was for a stretch earlier in the season. The foul is not for leaving feet. The foul is for verticality. Bradley Needs to Keep his arms straight up. The reference point for Refs if they see the arms by the ear. You come down, going to call it every time. A defensive player has a right to jump as long as they stay vertical. Big issue with this team. Also Dunn arm would be a foul if he extends.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 1, 2016 12:46:10 GMT -5
The question was asked as to what is this teams identity( pick & pop, throw into the post, run & gun 3pt team)? The answer obviously is none of the above. JTIII has said that the offense is based on reads by the players as to what is open, or what is the defense giving you. Therefore,it could be either of the above on three separate possessions. It is a cerebral offense that requires three basic abilities by at least four of the starters; (1) ability to pass the ball, (2) the ability to drive the ball to the basket, and (3) the ability to shoot the 3pt shot. Unfortunately, because of the inability of Hopkins, Lubick,Bowen, and for most of his career, Jabril to shoot not only 3pt shots but 2pt shots with a high percentage, I think III placed too much emphasis on the ability to shoot the 3pt shot in his analysis of the players he was recruiting. I think the other two needed abilities (ability to pass and drive to the basket) were not emphasized in his or his staff's analysis of whether the player fit his system. Now the ability to move laterally on defense is also lacking but that's another issue. Reason I say that III had this view was his preseason statements that this was a special group that was going to be really good by the end of the year. That analysis had to be based on the majority of the players returning and freshmen had the ability to stroke the 3pt shot. I think any rational observer on this board can see after 20+ games that the majority of the players on this team are not good passers ,nor have they shown the ability to attack the basket with consistency. I have said before that if you are practicing against a slow player or a player that does not move laterally well, does it not raise a false impression of your driving ability when you are able to blow by those players on the drive. You then play against a mobile opponent who can move laterally and you suddenly can't get past him. The same with passing. In practice if you are playing against the same players who lack the lateral movement, then your back door pass does not need as much umph on it to get pass the defender so you complete that pass in practice but in the game you throw what looks like a lazy soft pass that is readily intercepted by a quicker defender. III is not the type of coach that throws paint against the wall to see what sticks. He likes structure. He is also stubborn like his father. He likes to dictate to the other team rather than vice versa. There is nothing wrong however in starting different players based upon the matchups with the other team's super stars. Why not challenge a Peak to forget about scoring and consentrate on stopping a super star like Dunn from getting more than 12 points and 3 assists and start him. Why not start out playing small with Derrickson at center to match the mobility of Bentyl(really a big forward). Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking I know but, doing the same thing all the time and expecting a different result...?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 1, 2016 14:10:33 GMT -5
Watching this game over again and realizing this team has no identity not only from game to game but possession to possession. We started rolling in the first half going into Hayes for 4 straight possessions and taking advantage of our size. Derrickson was highly effective when he got the ball inside the mid post/low post area. Copeland scored his only basket in the mid post face up area. We go away from that and start jacking 3's and long contested jumpers and Providence pushes the lead back out to double digits. We start driving to the basket and get back into the game, then we start settling for long perimeter shots with very little ball movement and fall behind again. Then we start driving with Peak to the hoop in the waning minutes to try and climb back into the game. We have our best success going inside and we completely abandon the game plan that is working. Everybody on the team (except Hayes and Peak to an extent) seems to be guilty of absolutely terrible shot selection and lacking offensive patience. During Pops is era we were a defense first, second and last physical team. You can't be physical anymore because everything is a foul. In the final 4 year of 2007 we were a post centric team running everything thru Big Roy and Jeff Green. Are we an inside out team like we were against Xavier? Are we a perimeter team that lives and dies by the 3 like we did against Connecticut? Are we a full court pressing team? Are we a team that scores thru the post? Are we an uptempo team that tries to get out and run at all cost like Providence and Creighton? Are we a pick n roll/pick n pop team? Are we a team that tries to get our shooters open via multiple screens? Are we a team that lives off quick ball movement. We are definitely not a team that beats you up on the boards. What the heck is this teams identity? In tonight's game we had 5 or 6 different identities in the first half alone, and when we find one that is working, we go away from it. Great teams have an identity and they beat you up doing what they do no matter what you do to them. Oklahoma eats from the 3 point line and straight line drives. Providence is pick n roll with Dunn & Bentil. Xavier plays inside out style and 1/3/1 & pack line defense. Virginia hangs their hat on packing in the paint on defense and challenging shooters. Even the jerks from southern Canada have an identity of a 2/3 zone. West Virginia is now known as press Virginia. WHAT IS THIS TEAMS IDENTITY? We don't have one and that's part of the problem. Standig is is obviously reading this board to generate ideas for his articles.... " But there's another way to look at that halfway point comment. That is, overall, the Hoyas are actually 23 games into the season and it's still hard figuring out this team's identity. Are they about feeding big men inside or firing away from beyond the 3-point arc? Are they about speeding up the pace by putting a bevy of wing threats on the court or grinding out wins? The answer to all depending on the game, half or possession is yes.
Forget tactics for a moment. Let's talk personnel. Imagine this goal: simply put out the best Hoyas lineup for five minutes of loosely defined good basketball. Other than that unit including senior guard D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera, it's not clear who else is out there or which players work best together.
Isaac Copeland's scoring punch disappeared throughout January. The offense in theory functions best with freshman center Jessie Govan's perimeter game in the lineup, but his interior skills are lacking. 7-footer Bradley Hayes provides low-post scoring and rebounding, but he's not exactly mobile, which becomes problematic defensively when guards allow consistent penetration. That's where L.J. Peak helps with his ferocious energy, but the swingman can't always control his own pace and decision-making in halfcourt sets. Tre Campbell scored 21 points against Xavier, but just 10 over the next three games.
This uncertainty contributes to the identity problem, as does a stated willingness to, when on offense, take what the opponent gives you. The ability to adjust is valuable, but dictating terms isn't a bad thing. For this season, the question is which players can help get that done. We're way more than halfway through the season as coach John Thompson still searches for the right combinations."
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 1, 2016 14:32:42 GMT -5
Actually, this far into the season, our issues have become plainly obvious to anyone who actually observes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 16:15:25 GMT -5
Hilarious...lol
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