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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2016 16:52:24 GMT -5
Much better d second half. Foul calls out of control, some are legit but no way uconn should be in bonus that quick. Please please please go into govan more Almost all of our fouls were legit. The problem was that UCon's legit fouls were not being called like ours, which led to the 36 vs 8 FGA disparity.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 23, 2016 16:52:44 GMT -5
We will win if we shoot threes well. We will lose if we don't. Tre shot well against X, and today he, Marcus and Ike were 1-13.
You can't have it both ways with DSR at the end of games. You can't cheer him when he takes and makes tough ones and we win and fault the decisions when he takes good looks that don't go. And how does anyone say that Reggie should not take that open look? What is a better shot than one of our best shooters (who had made 40% on the day until then) taking one wide spanking open?
If LJ could defend without fouling, we would probably have at least two more wins this year (including this one). It is a killer not only on D but also because he is the only penetrator we have and if he can't play, teams can make things more difficult.
Very frustrating because, like Duke, MD, and Nova, it was there for the taking. But I didn't expect to get it. And now we move on.
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Post by hoyajinx on Jan 23, 2016 16:56:07 GMT -5
Bottom line: we are a far better team with Govan on the floor than Hayes. I appreciate the strides Hayes has made, but it turns he's still just not that good. Govan does not rebound. Hayes does. This is unfortunately true. But I still think Govan is better at finding open shooters on offense (Hayes missed a wide open Cameron twice), is a better free throw shooter, and a far better defensive post presence than Hayes. I think I would sacrifice some rebounding to shore up some of our defensive woes. Hayes bites on nearly every pump fake and somehow is always trailing guards when he is helping out. Govan puts his body between the driving guard and the basket. They both turn the ball over too much, so that's a wash.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 23, 2016 16:58:42 GMT -5
Govan does not rebound. Hayes does. This is unfortunately true. But I still think Govan is better at finding open shooters on offense (Hayes missed a wide open Cameron twice), is a better free throw shooter, and a far better defensive post presence than Hayes. I think I would sacrifice some rebounding to shore up some of our defensive woes. Hayes bites on nearly every pump fake and somehow is always trailing guards when he is helping out. Govan puts his body between the driving guard and the basket. They both turn the ball over too much, so that's a wash. To me, I go with Govan unless: (1) You are actively looking to feed the post; and (2) Brad is getting position and scoring (or finding guys for open threes from the post without fouling). Sometimes it's not his fault, but if both aren't there, Jesse needs to get the primary time.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 23, 2016 17:08:33 GMT -5
9 points (on 4 field goal attempts) and 9 rebounds today for Hayes. Don't see him as the problem at all.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2016 17:10:22 GMT -5
He got scared.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2016 17:13:49 GMT -5
Our players choking left and right. This is maddening. No leaders game in, game out. Is it too much to hope that Mosley takes the leadership role? It looks like more of the same next year from the players left, although Reggie is getting more and more vocal (which I Lykes).
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 23, 2016 17:15:17 GMT -5
He got scared. Jesse's got very weak hands. At no point should he be handling the ball at the 3-point line in late, close game situations...whatever leads to that outcome needs to be seriously reevaluated.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2016 17:15:18 GMT -5
We are such a stupid, stupid basketball team. How do you really feel?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 23, 2016 17:22:45 GMT -5
We will win if we shoot threes well. We will lose if we don't. Tre shot well against X, and today he, Marcus and Ike were 1-13. You can't have it both ways with DSR at the end of games. You can't cheer him when he takes and makes tough ones and we win and fault the decisions when he takes good looks that don't go. And how does anyone say that Reggie should not take that open look? What is a better shot than one of our best shooters (who had made 40% on the day until then) taking one wide spanking open? If LJ could defend without fouling, we would probably have at least two more wins this year (including this one). It is a killer not only on D but also because he is the only penetrator we have and if he can't play, teams can make things more difficult. Very frustrating because, like Duke, MD, and Nova, it was there for the taking. But I didn't expect to get it. And now we move on. Post of the day, agree 100%. I think UCONN is pretty good, though I'm not sure the whole is better than the sum of their parts. Would have been very helpful to win. Just continues to mean we have little/no margin for error. I think we have at least 4 must win games on the schedule now that, if we lose any of them, the NCAAs are probably done: Creighton, St. John's and Seton Hall at home, and Marquette on the road. In addition to winning those, need to get 1-2 more wins where we'll likely be underdogs.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2016 17:25:40 GMT -5
It was lopsided because Georgetown fouled too much early--six fouls in the first 4:36 of the half. It's on them, not the officials. Also, didn't someone show the statistics recently that we foul more than just about any team in the country? Do people think the refs are against us in every game? Give me a break. It's insane to put it on the refs like there is a conspiracy theory to make sure GU does not get to the NCAA Tournament. We foul like crazy and that's on the staff and players.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2016 17:32:38 GMT -5
Losers' excuse. You're right not the players or JTIII fault ..... How about weather? I've been at this for a long time. It's difficult to win on the road in college basketball....very, very difficult....I'm not making excuses at all. It is what it is. I thought the guys played fine. Could they have played better? of course, especially down the stretch. But you sound flat out silly trying to make it sound as if they didn't play well for the bulk of the 40 minutes. We win at #5 Xavier, lose at UConn, lose to Raford, Ashville and Monmouth at home. We're back to the "Jekyll and Hyde Hoyas".
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Post by blueeagle on Jan 23, 2016 17:47:39 GMT -5
Good effort in a hostile environment. You could tell that the crowd was really into it.
I thought, other than a few drives by Gibbs and Purvis, we played decent defense.
We just did not hit the shots that were available. I was't too pleased with DSR's last 2 shots. He seemed to force them. But he has hit similar shots in the past that have resulted in wins for us.
I thought Copeland finally found his stroke after hitting a long two in the first half. Not quite. He has to find other ways to score. We NEED him to be good for us to get over the hump of just being a good basketball team.
We need 3-4 guys to score well in order to beat good teams.
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Post by blueeagle on Jan 23, 2016 17:49:57 GMT -5
Playing decent defense and rebounding go without saying.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 23, 2016 17:57:06 GMT -5
Trouble with reading comprehension? Obviously...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 23, 2016 18:10:25 GMT -5
Isaac needs to be benched He was. He played 2 mins in the 2nd half.
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Post by grandmahoya on Jan 23, 2016 18:19:31 GMT -5
Yes. We fouled. But guess what? UConn fouled too The fouls we committed were called. The fouls UConn committed were not called. In large part, that's the game. There is no doubt that we deserved many of the calls that we got, although not all of them. The one problem is that UConn did not get called for some of the dame bumps and grabs. Remember the play where Bradley grabbed a defensive rebound and seemed to stumble; the crowd booed and the announcers said Hayes had been bobbling the ball so no travel was called? Watch it again - the UConn guy almost literally came down on him and rode his back. But my bottom line - when the discrepancy is that big, the Coach HAS to ride the refs, and sometimes has to suck it up and take a T for the team. I would have liked to see that today. I agree that some of our fouls were deserved, but I also think the refs swallowed their whistles at key times in the game when UConn had touch fouls too. This game was way too close for those non-calls not to matter. I also agree that JTIII is too passive in those lop-sided officiating situations. I can't think of many coaches who wouldn't have flipped out when their team shot 9 free throws for the entire game and the opposing team shot 36. Maybe if JTIII had gotten a T in the 2nd half it might have helped our team. In any case, we have to learn to play defense according to the new rules.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 23, 2016 18:25:42 GMT -5
Agree that we didn't take advantage of our bigs. Time and time again we had an easy entry pass but ignored it just to pass the ball around the perimeter. When we did make the entry pass, good things would happen...a kickout for three, a foul or an interior bucket. Hayes may be one of the most unselfish big men I have ever seen....give him the ball, you'll get it back. frustrating.
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Post by aristides on Jan 23, 2016 18:49:40 GMT -5
UConn's game-plan was to drive and collect fouls, GU chose to shoot a lot of 3's; hence the disparity. Tough game... Hoyas were so close but the execution at key moments just wasn't there. Kind of sums up the season.
I've seen a lot of players go through slumps but Copeland is having about as bad a run as I've ever seen. I liked the fight in the team. On to Creighton...
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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2016 18:53:14 GMT -5
See DFW post Vast majority of those fouls were warranted How many more times did we need to watch Gibbs score off the pick and have Hayes foul him? Yes. We fouled. But guess what? UConn fouled too The fouls we committed were called. The fouls UConn committed were not called. In large part, that's the game. What to do about it?
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