We need Isaac Copeland

[blueandgray]

1 point? Really?

[SFHoya99]

Jan 5, 2016 23:23:54 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

1 point? Really?

Even worse was that it seemed like he went minutes without touching the ball or playing defense.

[njhoya78]

I almost expect to see his picture on a milk carton in the morning.

[BubbleVisionBiff]

what does he do for this team?

[Eurostar]

turn the ball over and take contested 18 foot jumpers

he needs to realize that you cant be a "3 and D" guy when you don't shoot 3s or play defense very well.

he passed up a few open drives today for some reason. i'd love to see him try to take someone off the dribble. he needs to add that aspect to his game

[deacon]

People are piling on him a little too much.

The one main issue is that he defers way too much on offense and just flat out disappears sometimes because of it. No reason someone with his ability should only attempt three shots in any game but here we are. The ability is there but it seems like he feels more comfortable just fitting in instead of standing out.

[cosmopolitanhoya]

Every top player has an off-game. Heck, even Otto had an off-game against FGFU.

Relax folks

[HoyaFanNY]

it's not only copeland. it's the entire soph class. III said in the preseason that the soph class taking the next step was a key to the teams success. they obviously haven't. copeland and peak are not the players any of us thought they would be right now. white is hurt and tre is the same backup pg he was last year.

[hoyalove4ever]

Not in line to be drafted anytime soon.

[vv83]

Copeland was just awful last night. The game always seems to be moving too fast for him, he seems a beat behind everything happening on the court far too often. The talent is there, reports are that he works hard. It is largely a question of when (if ever) the game is going to slow down for him mentally, allowing him to assert himself effectively. Last night he and Cameron really killed us as the game slipped out of reach in the second half.

[FrazierFanatic]

Jan 6, 2016 4:02:20 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

Every top player has an off-game. Heck, even Otto had an off-game against FGFU.

Relax folks

The problem is that it was not his first "off game". He has been quite inconsistent; as the guy we all expected to be our second best player, it has repeatedly impacted us negatively.

Ike needs to find his confidence very quickly. We go nowhere without his offense.

[NCHoya]

Jan 6, 2016 4:02:20 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

Every top player has an off-game. Heck, even Otto had an off-game against FGFU.

Relax folks

Top player? I am not interested in how many stars were next to his name in high school, Ike is an average college basketball player. He has the talent (we think) but he has shown no in-game or game to game consistency in terms of effort or execution on offense or defense.

I do not like calling out specific players, but Copeland's all-around play has been the most disappointing aspect to this season. He was supposed to be DSR's #2 this season and he has been unwilling to be that guy or just unable. I was criticizing him before last night for his 5 TOs and lousy shooting against MU, but that performance against Creighton was inexcusable for someone with his physical ability.

III either has to get him going or give his minutes to more productive players or freshmen. If there are no productive options, at least giving some minutes to freshmen is an investment in the future. Non-existent defense and 18 foot jumpshots are just not working right now.

[richfame]

Think he has d summers syndrome?

[professorhoya]

Jan 6, 2016 12:17:46 GMT -5 NCHoya said:

Jan 6, 2016 4:02:20 GMT -5 cosmopolitanhoya said:

Every top player has an off-game. Heck, even Otto had an off-game against FGFU.

Relax folks

Top player? I am not interested in how many stars were next to his name in high school, Ike is an average college basketball player. He has the talent (we think) but he has shown no in-game or game to game consistency in terms of effort or execution on offense or defense.

I do not like calling out specific players, but Copeland's all-around play has been the most disappointing aspect to this season. He was supposed to be DSR's #2 this season and he has been unwilling to be that guy or just unable. I was criticizing him before last night for his 5 TOs and lousy shooting against MU, but that performance against Creighton was inexcusable for someone with his physical ability.

III either has to get him going or give his minutes to more productive players or freshmen. If there are no productive options, at least giving some minutes to freshmen is an investment in the future. Non-existent defense and 18 foot jumpshots are just not working right now.

I think he is more comfortable being a catch and shoot guy. It seems like he has a hard time creating his own shot which you would think wouldn't be a problem considering how high he can jump. He would be ideal for a dribble penetration point guard (John Wall) then kick out to the corner for a catch and shoot 3.

It just seems like he likes to get in a rhythm with the catch and shoot but is less accurate when he has to dribble and shoot. Could be his handles. Otto was a point guard before his growth spurt and has decent handles which allows him to attack and shoot when he wants.

Maybe a step back would help him but right now he seems like a catch and shoot guy and that limits your opportunities because you have to rely on someone swinging you the ball.

At least that's what it looks like right now. Either that or he is effective off the dribble and for some reason is choosing not to take over.

[757hoyafan]

Isaac Copeland 15 32.9 11.5 5.0 2.3 0.9 0.5 2.0 .459 .732 .368

Yeah, this guy is horrible...

[rockhoya]

Jan 6, 2016 20:10:07 GMT -5 757hoyafan said:

Isaac Copeland 15 32.9 11.5 5.0 2.3 0.9 0.5 2.0 .459 .732 .368

Yeah, this guy is horrible...

Great assessment

[95hoya]

Jan 6, 2016 20:10:07 GMT -5 757hoyafan said:

Isaac Copeland 15 32.9 11.5 5.0 2.3 0.9 0.5 2.0 .459 .732 .368

Yeah, this guy is horrible...

Look, I am a huge fan of Ike, but that stat line to go with below average defense isn't very good.

[johnnysnowplow]

Jan 6, 2016 21:27:06 GMT -5 95hoya said:

Jan 6, 2016 20:10:07 GMT -5 757hoyafan said:

Isaac Copeland 15 32.9 11.5 5.0 2.3 0.9 0.5 2.0 .459 .732 .368

Yeah, this guy is horrible...

Look, I am a huge fan of Ike, but that stat line to go with below average abominable defense isn't very good.

Fixed.

[drquigley]

Jan 6, 2016 20:00:04 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Jan 6, 2016 12:17:46 GMT -5 NCHoya said:

Top player? I am not interested in how many stars were next to his name in high school, Ike is an average college basketball player. He has the talent (we think) but he has shown no in-game or game to game consistency in terms of effort or execution on offense or defense.

I do not like calling out specific players, but Copeland's all-around play has been the most disappointing aspect to this season. He was supposed to be DSR's #2 this season and he has been unwilling to be that guy or just unable. I was criticizing him before last night for his 5 TOs and lousy shooting against MU, but that performance against Creighton was inexcusable for someone with his physical ability.

III either has to get him going or give his minutes to more productive players or freshmen. If there are no productive options, at least giving some minutes to freshmen is an investment in the future. Non-existent defense and 18 foot jumpshots are just not working right now.

I think he is more comfortable being a catch and shoot guy. It seems like he has a hard time creating his own shot which you would think wouldn't be a problem considering how high he can jump. He would be ideal for a dribble penetration point guard (John Wall) then kick out to the corner for a catch and shoot 3.

It just seems like he likes to get in a rhythm with the catch and shoot but is less accurate when he has to dribble and shoot. Could be his handles. Otto was a point guard before his growth spurt and has decent handles which allows him to attack and shoot when he wants.

Maybe a step back would help him but right now he seems like a catch and shoot guy and that limits your opportunities because you have to rely on someone swinging you the ball.

At least that's what it looks like right now. Either that or he is effective off the dribble and for some reason is choosing not to take over.

Hasn't anyone else noticed that other than DSR we have only catch and shoot guys? Copeland, Cameron, Govan, Derrickson, Campbell. None of them has shown that can move with the ball, pull up and shoot. My son and I play a game when we watch the Hoyas. If a Hoya shoots a 3 we call whether he will make or miss. About 4 games into the season we realized that unless the guy was planted before he shot he almost always misses. Cameron and Derrickson are the worst.

[johnnysnowplow]

Jan 6, 2016 23:06:03 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Jan 6, 2016 20:00:04 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

I think he is more comfortable being a catch and shoot guy. It seems like he has a hard time creating his own shot which you would think wouldn't be a problem considering how high he can jump. He would be ideal for a dribble penetration point guard (John Wall) then kick out to the corner for a catch and shoot 3.

It just seems like he likes to get in a rhythm with the catch and shoot but is less accurate when he has to dribble and shoot. Could be his handles. Otto was a point guard before his growth spurt and has decent handles which allows him to attack and shoot when he wants.

Maybe a step back would help him but right now he seems like a catch and shoot guy and that limits your opportunities because you have to rely on someone swinging you the ball.

At least that's what it looks like right now. Either that or he is effective off the dribble and for some reason is choosing not to take over.

Hasn't anyone else noticed that other than DSR we have only catch and shoot guys? Copeland, Cameron, Govan, Derrickson, Campbell. None of them has shown that can move with the ball, pull up and shoot. My son and I play a game when we watch the Hoyas. If a Hoya shoots a 3 we call whether he will make or miss. About 4 games into the season we realized that unless the guy was planted before he shot he almost always misses. Cameron and Derrickson are the worst.

I agree with some of the sentiment here that we have some guys on the team that are pretty one dimensional right now, but in Derrickson's defense, he has pump faked and made strong moves to the basket in each of the last two games. He's a freshman with all of 15 games under his belt, and that shows increasing confidence to me. No, he can't create his own shot (yet), but I think we're seeing the beginning of him becoming more than a spot-up shooter. If he can add a pump fake, one dribble, pull-up to his game while continuing to work on getting to the rim, he'll be a weapon. Kid is gonna be good. Real good. Last night was not his best game though.

Also, calling Govan a catch and shoot guy is a bit misleading. He's our center. And he knocked down 3 threes on 3 tries. He's 7-12 on the season. Unsustainable pace, sure, but that's an incredible weapon to have if he can consistently knock down wide open threes. Clearly he's got the confidence to take them and the green light from the staff.