hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 4, 2016 9:26:32 GMT -5
Change the year, and this exact same post would have been made, just with different players named. Sometimes those players meet the high (usually delusional) expectations, but usually they don't. You could have even said that about the 2009 team at the time (Summers/Wright/Freeman/Monroe/Sims), and that team didn't even make the tournament. That's why I love this board, only insane delusion or pessimism allowed. not delusional just a cockeyed optimist. But.getting back to my point, have we ever had a team that sent 4 players to the NBA on the first round? I will take the under on 4 first rounders from that group.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 4, 2016 13:13:06 GMT -5
We have to be careful not to underestimate Creighton. They are an excellent offensive team. Their big, Groselle, is shooting 75.3% from 2 (73-97). Luckily, we defend the two very well (12th best nationally) - it's the other aspects of our defense that have been extremely poor thus far. They also have a bunch of guys who can hit threes, as well. I actually think it's a pretty poor matchup for us.
The flip side is that Creighton's defense is really, really, bad. We should not have problems scoring in this one.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 4, 2016 13:50:46 GMT -5
We have to be careful not to underestimate Creighton. They are an excellent offensive team. Their big, Groselle, is shooting 75.3% from 2 (73-97). Luckily, we defend the two very well (12th best nationally) - it's the other aspects of our defense that have been extremely poor thus far. They also have a bunch of guys who can hit threes, as well. I actually think it's a pretty poor matchup for us. The flip side is that Creighton's defense is really, really, bad. We should not have problems scoring in this one. We're going to get torched from the 3pt line. I hope our shooting comes to play. Defensively, I'd tell Hayes and Govan that they have Groselle and not help at all. The problem will be dribble penetration, but I don't want to leave their shooters. Let's see if the bigs can defend the 2 well enough to allow the perimeter to stay pressured. It was this change that spurred the 2007 team on defensively. Neither Govan nor Hayes is junior Roy Hibbert at this point, but we're also working from a low base.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 4, 2016 16:26:59 GMT -5
We have to be careful not to underestimate Creighton. They are an excellent offensive team. Their big, Groselle, is shooting 75.3% from 2 (73-97). Luckily, we defend the two very well (12th best nationally) - it's the other aspects of our defense that have been extremely poor thus far. They also have a bunch of guys who can hit threes, as well. I actually think it's a pretty poor matchup for us. The flip side is that Creighton's defense is really, really, bad. We should not have problems scoring in this one. Seems like a Bradley Hayes clone except he's a Dallas Cowboy fan.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 4, 2016 17:59:28 GMT -5
Hoyas open as 2.5 point dogs in Vegas which seems about right. As everyone has mentioned it will be a hard game to win and this is a game we need to win to make the tourney.
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Post by grandmahoya on Jan 4, 2016 18:51:02 GMT -5
In this game would like to see DSR start his offense earlier, and not wait till the second half. It's great to have a lot of assists, but I think we will need him to score sooner. If Creighton takes an early lead with their good 3 pt. shooting, we are in big trouble on the road. With them having a weaker defense, we need to drive-in and draw fouls on them. Loved the aggressive way we started against Marquette, so much energy and intensity. We have to put two good halves together, continue to rebound well, and put this team away. GO HOYAS, 3-0.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Jan 4, 2016 20:49:15 GMT -5
Hoyas open as 2.5 point dogs in Vegas which seems about right. As everyone has mentioned it will be a hard game to win and this is a game we need to win to make the tourney. Creighton belongs in the DePaul & Marquette bracket... I will gladly give the points
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Post by richfame on Jan 4, 2016 20:52:17 GMT -5
Key to this game is containing Ryan Sears. If we can't stop the three we are in trouble.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 4, 2016 21:58:41 GMT -5
Everything in my hoya-loving bones says we lose this game. All the stars are aligned. Road game, very hostile environment, good 3 point shooting team. BUT... we are the more talented team. We are starting to play up to that talent. And a win here has us playing Nova in 2 weeks for the BE leadership. Still early in the BE season but I think this game will tell us a lot about how the rest of the season, and post season, goes.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 4, 2016 22:03:38 GMT -5
Hoyas open as 2.5 point dogs in Vegas which seems about right. As everyone has mentioned it will be a hard game to win and this is a game we need to win to make the tourney. Creighton belongs in the DePaul & Marquette bracket... I will gladly give the points Disagree. They can put up points in bunches. DePaul and Marquette cannot. I'm surprised the line is that close. Creighton is, historically, very tough to beat at home.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 4, 2016 22:09:29 GMT -5
Everything in my hoya-loving bones says we lose this game. All the stars are aligned. Road game, very hostile environment, good 3 point shooting team. BUT... we are the more talented team. We are starting to play up to that talent. And a win here has us playing Nova in 2 weeks for the BE leadership. Still early in the BE season but I think this game will tell us a lot about how the rest of the season, and post season, goes. I want so badly to disagree with this but, because I have a little sanity left (I could be entirely wrong here) and because I'm a shell-shocked Hoya fan, I can't disagree with any of it. Can't I go back to the halcyon days of being way too hopeful and optimistic?
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Post by tashoya on Jan 4, 2016 22:20:56 GMT -5
We have to be careful not to underestimate Creighton. They are an excellent offensive team. Their big, Groselle, is shooting 75.3% from 2 (73-97). Luckily, we defend the two very well (12th best nationally) - it's the other aspects of our defense that have been extremely poor thus far. They also have a bunch of guys who can hit threes, as well. I actually think it's a pretty poor matchup for us. The flip side is that Creighton's defense is really, really, bad. We should not have problems scoring in this one. We're going to get torched from the 3pt line. I hope our shooting comes to play. Defensively, I'd tell Hayes and Govan that they have Groselle and not help at all. The problem will be dribble penetration, but I don't want to leave their shooters. Let's see if the bigs can defend the 2 well enough to allow the perimeter to stay pressured. It was this change that spurred the 2007 team on defensively. Neither Govan nor Hayes is junior Roy Hibbert at this point, but we're also working from a low base. I would agree. This is not a game for DSR to pull out his Sugar Free defensive impression because the help should be reduced. Our guys' ability (or lack thereof) to not foul could be a big factor because I feel like LJ has to be able to stay on the floor or there are going to be some issues. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kaleb steal some of Tre's minutes. I think you nailed it with our shooting probably being the biggest factor. It might be an incorrect impression but I feel like both Marcus and Jessie's confidence are on the upswing and it's a good time for that to start happening. I loved the shot fake, baseline move by Marcus. That will help him significantly in opening up his game if he can make the occasional drive to the hoop. And he looked much better doing it than I expected. As maddening as the ups and downs of a fairly young team can be, it's also part of what makes it exciting to watch. If they go all out and come up short, I'm cool with that. But go all out. Let's do this Hoyas!
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 5, 2016 6:41:43 GMT -5
I think Creighton is getting a tad overrated in this thread. They're not bad and they are tough at home but they've put up their shooting numbers against a lot of very bad defenses. The Hoyas have to not be a very bad defense and they'll be in this game. They won't get shot out of the gym if they give consistent effort on that end and don't take stretches off.
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Post by aristides on Jan 5, 2016 7:17:54 GMT -5
I think Creighton is getting a tad overrated in this thread. They're not bad and they are tough at home but they've put up their shooting numbers against a lot of very bad defenses. The Hoyas have to not be a very bad defense and they'll be in this game. They won't get shot out of the gym if they give consistent effort on that end and don't take stretches off. I think it is more of a realistic assessment that a team that lost to Radford, UNC-A, and Monmouth faces a relatively similar profile in Creighton. I think we'll get a good idea of whether the Hoyas defense has made improvements tonight.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 5, 2016 7:59:40 GMT -5
Creighton is currently 3pt favorites.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 5, 2016 9:09:34 GMT -5
Creighton appears to be in a bit of a shooting slump. While on the year they shoot 38.3% and have players that shoot 38.9% (7-18), 34.7%(26-75), 56%(14-25), 43.4%(23-53), 38.9%(37-95), 39.5%(17-43). In their 2 BE games they're shooting 26.7% and those players are shooting: 33.3%(1-3), 18.2%(2-11), 0%(0-4), 40%(2-5), 26.7%(4-15), 60%(3-5).
Obviously a small sample size and likely not just due to the jump in competition since Creighton shot 46.2% @ Oklahoma a few weeks ago. But hopefully the slump continues.
Interestingly, Creighton is not as dependent on the 3 ball as I would expect. they're actually 104th nationally in 3PA/FGA and 136th in % of points from 3, trailing the Hoyas in the former and tied in the latter.
Creighton is pretty much the opposite of Marquette in the sense that Marquette had a solid defense and mediocre offense while Creighton has a great offense(26th) and a crappy defense(176th).
Creighton's weaknesses offensively are offensive rebounding 29.3% (205th), FTA/FGA 37.7% (148th), FT% 68.2% (207). Creightons Strengths offensively are eFG% 57.2% (8th), turnover % 15.4% (26th), 2p% 57.1% (13th), 3pt% 38.3% (51). Creighton's weaknesses defensively are eFG% 50.9% (227th), turnover % 17.7% (231st), 3pt% 35.8% (237th), 2p% 49.5% (206th), Blk% 8.8% (176th), Stl% 8.6 (184th). Creighton's Strengths defensively are defensive offensive rebounding % 26% (46th), FTA/FGA 32.5% (85th), FT% 66.8% (75th)
Kenpom sees both our teams as essentially even with the Hoyas 68th and Creighton 69th. Creighton is pretty much weak defensively at everything they're strong at offensively and strong defensively at the few things they're weak on offensively. Pretty bizarre.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 5, 2016 11:06:53 GMT -5
MUST WIN YUP GOTTA NEED to hustle forty minutes or more and DEFEND THE THREE DEFEND THE THREE must be TOUGH hard place to play and win GO HOYAS need this win NOW>
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 5, 2016 11:27:56 GMT -5
Game-day!!! Home from work sick preparing for the game, it can't be here soon enough
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Post by GUMBA on Jan 5, 2016 12:20:36 GMT -5
Sounds like we should win the war in the paint. Can't trade twos for threes all night. Guard the 3-point line and make them try to take it inside. If Marcus, Jessie and Bradley play like they did against Marquette the Hoyas should do well. I hope Kaleb sees get lots of minutes.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 5, 2016 14:24:16 GMT -5
If we play like Big Man U tonight, we are OK. Big Man U has monsters in the offensive paint who convert at a high percentage. Big Man U does not let the other big men out there score. Big Man U knows when to dish for the spot up or re-post. Big Man U makes it easy for exterior defenders to do their own jobs on the perimeter, cause Big Man U has got your back in the paint. Big Man U plays G-fense.
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