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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 4, 2016 10:44:51 GMT -5
Reynolds testing the waters also... Prob comes back though Reynolds will test well athletically but has a two cent head. I could see him making a mistake and staying in.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 7, 2016 7:32:55 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Apr 7, 2016 10:33:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I find all these announcements depressing. Okay I'm a geezer and yes I understand that these young men deserve every opportunity to strike it rich. But I can't help but lose respect for the schools that recruited them. Do honest, legitimate academic institutions really want to win so badly that they would offer scholarships to kids who have no desire to actually obtain a degree from that institution? I can see leaving after 3 years since, like Jeff Green, the student athlete can easily return to complete his degree. But one and done (and even 2 and done) makes a mockery of the institution. Do these kids even go to class after basketball season is over if they know they have millions of dollars waiting for them in a few months? Do colleges even recover scholarship costs if they do? Think of all the (poor and minority) kids who can't play basketball but who could benefit from those scholarships. Has AI ever returned to campus to get his degree or to support the University in any way? I know this post and the topic it addresses will elicit some snarky replies but when I look at a kid like Ellison, who has close ties to Marquette and who's brother is on the team, leaving after one year - and everyone knowing coming in that he would probably leave after a year - I don't see how the university is better for having him matriculate for one year. Would Nova be as proud of its team this year and would the team have been such a positive reflection of the University if it had won the championship on the backs of several one and done phenoms? Appreciate comments.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 7, 2016 11:05:49 GMT -5
QUigs, until they pay the kids or have a baseball like rule, this will be debated to no end. The NCAA and coaches are getting rich off free labor. That is the true hypocrisy, not kids leaving early.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 7, 2016 12:24:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I find all these announcements depressing. Okay I'm a geezer and yes I understand that these young men deserve every opportunity to strike it rich. But I can't help but lose respect for the schools that recruited them. Do honest, legitimate academic institutions really want to win so badly that they would offer scholarships to kids who have no desire to actually obtain a degree from that institution? I can see leaving after 3 years since, like Jeff Green, the student athlete can easily return to complete his degree. But one and done (and even 2 and done) makes a mockery of the institution. Do these kids even go to class after basketball season is over if they know they have millions of dollars waiting for them in a few months? Do colleges even recover scholarship costs if they do? Think of all the (poor and minority) kids who can't play basketball but who could benefit from those scholarships. Has AI ever returned to campus to get his degree or to support the University in any way? I know this post and the topic it addresses will elicit some snarky replies but when I look at a kid like Ellison, who has close ties to Marquette and who's brother is on the team, leaving after one year - and everyone knowing coming in that he would probably leave after a year - I don't see how the university is better for having him matriculate for one year. Would Nova be as proud of its team this year and would the team have been such a positive reflection of the University if it had won the championship on the backs of several one and done phenoms? Appreciate comments. Doc, Gtown recruited Nerlens Noel, Dakari Johnson, Kelly Oubre, Rashad Vaughn, Kevon Looney, DeAngelo Russell ect.. Ellenson too btw..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 7, 2016 12:26:24 GMT -5
Part of the problem is with the system itself. I don't think players who are star athletes out of high school should be forced into one year of college. Granted, I bet a lot of guys would choose to go to college anyway (and it probably makes sense for 99% of high school recruits with NBA ambitions), but I also don't think they should be forced.
It's hard to blame universities for recruiting one-and-done players; they can be crucial elements to winning, and after all, that's the goal. It's also hard to blame the players. If you were guaranteed a lot of money (like Otto Porter), would you stay in college? Some might, but most would likely take the money. For these guys, it's sort of like hitting the lotto. It's hard to criticize them for doing so.
I like the plan that some (including JT3) have supported, which would be letting kids go straight to the NBA, but also requiring kids to stay in college for two years if they do decide to enroll. I think that rule would prevent the kids who really have no interest in school from enrolling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 15:01:34 GMT -5
Played with Paul would have 2 years left.. Wasn't really a fan in HS tbh but haven't seen him. Played on a really bad St Louis team
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 7, 2016 16:18:09 GMT -5
Sounds like there was a bizarre situation with that team.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 7, 2016 17:57:05 GMT -5
Part of the problem is with the system itself. I don't think players who are star athletes out of high school should be forced into one year of college. Granted, I bet a lot of guys would choose to go to college anyway (and it probably makes sense for 99% of high school recruits with NBA ambitions), but I also don't think they should be forced. It's hard to blame universities for recruiting one-and-done players; they can be crucial elements to winning, and after all, that's the goal. It's also hard to blame the players. If you were guaranteed a lot of money (like Otto Porter), would you stay in college? Some might, but most would likely take the money. For these guys, it's sort of like hitting the lotto. It's hard to criticize them for doing so. I like the plan that some (including JT3) have supported, which would be letting kids go straight to the NBA, but also requiring kids to stay in college for two years if they do decide to enroll. I think that rule would prevent the kids who really have no interest in school from enrolling. I agree. Not blaming the kids it's the system. Remember when freshmen couldn't play varsity? Go back to that so kids would have one year to get adjusted to college, see if they can hack it, and leave college with at least 2 years worth of credits. And yes I know we recruited kids we knew were one and done. Shame on us.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 8, 2016 10:55:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I find all these announcements depressing. Okay I'm a geezer and yes I understand that these young men deserve every opportunity to strike it rich. But I can't help but lose respect for the schools that recruited them. Do honest, legitimate academic institutions really want to win so badly that they would offer scholarships to kids who have no desire to actually obtain a degree from that institution? I can see leaving after 3 years since, like Jeff Green, the student athlete can easily return to complete his degree. But one and done (and even 2 and done) makes a mockery of the institution. Do these kids even go to class after basketball season is over if they know they have millions of dollars waiting for them in a few months? Do colleges even recover scholarship costs if they do? Think of all the (poor and minority) kids who can't play basketball but who could benefit from those scholarships. Has AI ever returned to campus to get his degree or to support the University in any way? I know this post and the topic it addresses will elicit some snarky replies but when I look at a kid like Ellison, who has close ties to Marquette and who's brother is on the team, leaving after one year - and everyone knowing coming in that he would probably leave after a year - I don't see how the university is better for having him matriculate for one year. Would Nova be as proud of its team this year and would the team have been such a positive reflection of the University if it had won the championship on the backs of several one and done phenoms? Appreciate comments. You're right, you're a geezer (like me)! One of the most difficult adaptations as we age is to change with a changing environment. I'm conscious of it in various aspects of my life, and attempt to adapt. I have no problem with Otto or Greg, and hope others don't either. OTOH, I'm happy we didn't go after Ben Simmons, a one and done who clearly abused the system. Given the system, it's a difficult balancing act. At least we don't accept B.S., as demonstrated with Whit.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 8, 2016 11:40:39 GMT -5
The NBA has, for many years, used college basketball as its minor league. Even now, the NBA D-League only has nineteen franchises, meaning that there are another eleven franchises that do not have a developmental team. Until the NBA forces all of its franchises to have a minor league affiliate, it will be difficult for absorption of additional players forgoing college to play professional basketball in North America.
That being written, I'd love to see the minimum two-year "commitment" for players who elect to attend college. Make them draft eligible out of high school until they sign a letter of intent, and then make them ineligible until the conclusion of their sophomore season. While we're at it, allow players whose head coaches leave, or are fired, to transfer to another college (subject to intraconference transfer restrictions) and be immediately eligible to play.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 9, 2016 11:25:43 GMT -5
I think St.John's will be much better next season.. Ponds and Lovett will make a tough duo down the road..
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 10, 2016 0:15:00 GMT -5
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Post by calhoya on Apr 10, 2016 7:50:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I find all these announcements depressing. Okay I'm a geezer and yes I understand that these young men deserve every opportunity to strike it rich. But I can't help but lose respect for the schools that recruited them. Do honest, legitimate academic institutions really want to win so badly that they would offer scholarships to kids who have no desire to actually obtain a degree from that institution? I can see leaving after 3 years since, like Jeff Green, the student athlete can easily return to complete his degree. But one and done (and even 2 and done) makes a mockery of the institution. Do these kids even go to class after basketball season is over if they know they have millions of dollars waiting for them in a few months? Do colleges even recover scholarship costs if they do? Think of all the (poor and minority) kids who can't play basketball but who could benefit from those scholarships. Has AI ever returned to campus to get his degree or to support the University in any way? I know this post and the topic it addresses will elicit some snarky replies but when I look at a kid like Ellison, who has close ties to Marquette and who's brother is on the team, leaving after one year - and everyone knowing coming in that he would probably leave after a year - I don't see how the university is better for having him matriculate for one year. Would Nova be as proud of its team this year and would the team have been such a positive reflection of the University if it had won the championship on the backs of several one and done phenoms? Appreciate comments. I understand and agree with your frustration. It is the system, not the kids as you and others have stated. But with respect to the questions you raise about the schools who recruit the one and dones and two and dones, I think the answer is clearly that they benefit, or hope to benefit, and that they clearly believe that having a potential superstar for one year is better than not. Ask Kentucky, LSU, Marquette, and Duke if their one and dones have increased revenues, attendance and viewership in the programs. Interest=money and in this current environment the schools are desperately trying to to do anything possible to increase revenues. I believe that the system is a house of cards and stands one or two major lawsuits away from collapsing. For those who pine for a simpler approach like college baseball, ask yourself how many college baseball games you have attended or watched on television. Ask how much revenue the sport brings to the school. What really should happen is for the NBA to associate with college basketball and impose a system of a minimum two year stay but also subsidize the sport as the de facto minor league for players. The NCAA should eliminate transfer restrictions on students as they have done in sports like college soccer. Finally the NCAA should establish a core group of classes emphasizing basic life skills that all athletes must take to retain eligibility in their first year, regardless of major, to assure that there is some benefit to these kids who briefly reside on campus. These course requirements can be waived for those who are actually enrolling to pursue degrees but it would eliminate some of the embarrassment of kids attending universities for a year and coming out without knowing how to balance a check book, put together a proper sentence or manage their finances.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 10, 2016 8:52:39 GMT -5
The NBA has, for many years, used college basketball as its minor league. Even now, the NBA D-League only has nineteen franchises, meaning that there are another eleven franchises that do not have a developmental team. Until the NBA forces all of its franchises to have a minor league affiliate, it will be difficult for absorption of additional players forgoing college to play professional basketball in North America. That being written, I'd love to see the minimum two-year "commitment" for players who elect to attend college. Make them draft eligible out of high school until they sign a letter of intent, and then make them ineligible until the conclusion of their sophomore season. While we're at it, allow players whose head coaches leave, or are fired, to transfer to another college (subject to intraconference transfer restrictions) and be immediately eligible to play. I would like to see the baseball system adopted. Leave straight out of HS, or spend three years in college.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 10, 2016 10:45:38 GMT -5
The NBA has, for many years, used college basketball as its minor league. Even now, the NBA D-League only has nineteen franchises, meaning that there are another eleven franchises that do not have a developmental team. Until the NBA forces all of its franchises to have a minor league affiliate, it will be difficult for absorption of additional players forgoing college to play professional basketball in North America. That being written, I'd love to see the minimum two-year "commitment" for players who elect to attend college. Make them draft eligible out of high school until they sign a letter of intent, and then make them ineligible until the conclusion of their sophomore season. While we're at it, allow players whose head coaches leave, or are fired, to transfer to another college (subject to intraconference transfer restrictions) and be immediately eligible to play. I would like to see the baseball system adopted. Leave straight out of HS, or spend three years in college. Hey, that would work just fine for me!
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Post by drquigley on Apr 10, 2016 17:01:11 GMT -5
Nellie Fox said if it was't for baseball he would probably have spent his life picking apples. Now imagine if Nellie played basketball today instead of baseball. Rather than be able to pursue his career choice in the minor league where he would be paid and have a chance to develop his skills he'd be forced to attend college where he'd be totally lost and miserable. I really feel for the kids, like Nellie, who have no desire to continue their education or become "student athletes" but have to do so in order to realize their dream of a professional athletic career. This is why I never dumped on Whittington. He obviously never belonged at GU or any university but was forced to play the student athlete game. A terrible system that screams for reform.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 10, 2016 23:11:25 GMT -5
Nellie Fox said if it was't for baseball he would probably have spent his life picking apples. Now imagine if Nellie played basketball today instead of baseball. Rather than be able to pursue his career choice in the minor league where he would be paid and have a chance to develop his skills he'd be forced to attend college where he'd be totally lost and miserable. I really feel for the kids, like Nellie, who have no desire to continue their education or become "student athletes" but have to do so in order to realize their dream of a professional athletic career. This is why I never dumped on Whittington. He obviously never belonged at GU or any university but was forced to play the student athlete game. A terrible system that screams for reform. No one is forcing any kid to go to college. They can go overseas if they want. But the NBA has no interest in a minor league at this moment nor does it have an interest in taking kids straight from high school. And for the latter I don't blame them. Their league...their rules.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 10, 2016 23:11:47 GMT -5
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