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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 14, 2015 11:27:07 GMT -5
I was harping on this after the Brown game, but then we saw evidence of it once again during UNCW. Last 6 minutes against Maryland. Last 10 minutes against Syracuse. Radford. There is enough early season evidence now to rightly characterize this as a concerning pattern of behavior.
This team lacks attention to detail and loses intensity for long in-game stretches, especially on defense, rebounding, and ball handling under pressure. I know they are young, improving, and have the potential to be quite good. But if not addressed and corrected, this team is going to lose a lot of close Big East games this year. They really need to mature quickly.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 14, 2015 11:43:49 GMT -5
This team lacks attention to detail and loses intensity for long in-game stretches, especially on defense, rebounding, and ball handling under pressure. In order to play to their full potential, this team needs to play harder and better. Noted. I don't disagree. |
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Post by swhoya on Dec 14, 2015 11:57:52 GMT -5
I was harping on this after the Brown game, but then we saw evidence of it once again during UNCW. Last 6 minutes against Maryland. Last 10 minutes against Syracuse. Radford. There is enough early season evidence now to rightly characterize this as a concerning pattern of behavior. This team lacks attention to detail and loses intensity for long in-game stretches, especially on defense, rebounding, and ball handling under pressure. I know they are young, improving, and have the potential to be quite good. But if not addressed and corrected, this team is going to lose a lot of close Big East games this year. They really need to mature quickly. On the bright side, these are addressable issues. It's not like it's an issue with lack of depth, or height, or talent. But I agree it's been a bit disturbing. During the game I posted at one point that Marcus might need to sit for a few minutes, which seems strange because he was one of our best players in that game (and most consistent on the season). But in back-to-back plays he tried to dribble up court and nearly got picked from behind twice (I don't recall whether he was picked or not). But it was two boneheaded plays in a row. We've seen similar from Govan (twice trying to dribble in and make a cross-court pass that's gotten picked). And our issues with inbounding. It's all mental lapses. Going up big and then trying to do too much or getting too lax. It can be addressed, they just need to do it. |
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Dec 14, 2015 12:47:57 GMT -5
Every time I see one of these plays, I console myself with the memory of all the silly charges DaJuan committed the first semester of his freshman year. He ended up ok.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 14, 2015 14:10:35 GMT -5
Every time I see one of these plays, I console myself with the memory of all the silly charges DaJuan committed the first semester of his freshman year. He ended up ok. Cue the Summers haters . . . |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 14, 2015 14:17:28 GMT -5
I was harping on this after the Brown game, but then we saw evidence of it once again during UNCW. Last 6 minutes against Maryland. Last 10 minutes against Syracuse. Radford. There is enough early season evidence now to rightly characterize this as a concerning pattern of behavior. This team lacks attention to detail and loses intensity for long in-game stretches, especially on defense, rebounding, and ball handling under pressure. I know they are young, improving, and have the potential to be quite good. But if not addressed and corrected, this team is going to lose a lot of close Big East games this year. They really need to mature quickly. On the bright side, these are addressable issues. It's not like it's an issue with lack of depth, or height, or talent. But I agree it's been a bit disturbing. During the game I posted at one point that Marcus might need to sit for a few minutes, which seems strange because he was one of our best players in that game (and most consistent on the season). But in back-to-back plays he tried to dribble up court and nearly got picked from behind twice (I don't recall whether he was picked or not). But it was two boneheaded plays in a row. We've seen similar from Govan (twice trying to dribble in and make a cross-court pass that's gotten picked). And our issues with inbounding. It's all mental lapses. Going up big and then trying to do too much or getting too lax. It can be addressed, they just need to do it. I actually think Marcus had a terrible game aside from shooting. He went 5-7 from three, so that's great, but it feels like hitting the outside shots ... convinced him to stay outside. He didn't rebound well, pass well or really do anything else other than shoot well. Going 5-7 from three is fantastic, and it cures most ills, but in this case, I can't say he had a great game. He'll be fine, but he (and the rest of the team) need to bring it on all facets. One offensive board in 56 minutes between him and Ike against a team like that is pretty awful. Only getting 3-5 from the line between the two of them when foul calls were coming so easy is not great as well. And 7 TOs. Our PF combination was not strong on Saturday. |
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Post by bmartin on Dec 14, 2015 14:33:21 GMT -5
The two main problems are that we do not have an established, reliable defensive lineup and do not have a reliable late-game ball-handling lineup.
Late in games, coaches want to sub offense/defense at stoppages to get a few extra possessions with specialty match-ups in their favor. The 2008 team was JTIII's best use of offense/defense, with Ewing Jr and Rivers coming in for Freeman and Wallace on a defensive possession and then back to the shooters when we had the ball.
This team does not have an established defend & rebound lineup so we are not getting stops consistently, and when he has gone to three guards to handle pressure, they have been making bad decisions.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 14, 2015 14:51:16 GMT -5
The two main problems are that we do not have an established, reliable defensive lineup and do not have a reliable late-game ball-handling lineup. Late in games, coaches want to sub offense/defense at stoppages to get a few extra possessions with specialty match-ups in their favor. The 2008 team was JTIII's best use of offense/defense, with Ewing Jr and Rivers coming in for Freeman and Wallace on a defensive possession and then back to the shooters when we had the ball. This team does not have an established defend & rebound lineup so we are not getting stops consistently, and when he has gone to three guards to handle pressure, they have been making bad decisions. I think we'll get the defense, or as far as it can go. I don't expect it will be great, but I think we will get in sync. I suppose there's another level where our length creates turnovers and causes real problems ... but they need a LOT of work for that. The ballhandling... it goes, it comes, it happens. It's not going to get better on a skillset level so it's all about not freaking out when pressured. We handled UNCW's pressure for 80% of that game then forgot. I think it gets fixed. The rebounding is an issue, and I think it's an X factor. If Hayes, Derrickson, Copeland go all in on both sides of the ball, it could be huge. If not... The other thing I see they need to work on is their offensive sync. This team right now is scoring because they can shoot, not because they play well together. If they can get to the play where they are really creating shots for each other -- not just making baskets off DSR, one on ones and missed rotations, then they can be very good on offense. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 14, 2015 14:58:27 GMT -5
Agreed with SF. If they can get it together, you could see Nova home game last year performances becoming the norm.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 14, 2015 15:30:16 GMT -5
The two main problems are that we do not have an established, reliable defensive lineup and do not have a reliable late-game ball-handling lineup. Late in games, coaches want to sub offense/defense at stoppages to get a few extra possessions with specialty match-ups in their favor. The 2008 team was JTIII's best use of offense/defense, with Ewing Jr and Rivers coming in for Freeman and Wallace on a defensive possession and then back to the shooters when we had the ball. This team does not have an established defend & rebound lineup so we are not getting stops consistently, and when he has gone to three guards to handle pressure, they have been making bad decisions. I agree here, especially on the ball handling side. Was really concerned with Reggie in the game late, trying to help break the UNCW press. Don't think he should be in that ball-handling rotation. Depth of talent is a very positive thing and it has been a great education for so many of the young players this year to receive quality minutes. But I think JTIII would be wise to tighten up the rotation in spots to ensure we are playing to our strengths/combatting the opponents strategy. Also, it would really help if Peak could stay out of foul trouble. Sheesh. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 14, 2015 16:09:04 GMT -5
Reggie came in late because III wanted experience and his best free throw shooters in the game.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 14, 2015 17:06:42 GMT -5
Yeah, but he couldn't handle the rock under pressure.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 14, 2015 17:36:09 GMT -5
Yeah, but he couldn't handle the rock under pressure. Almost no one could handle the pressure as they a;ll got rattled. It was not just a Reggie issue. |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 16, 2015 10:58:09 GMT -5
Bump...
Lack of attention to detail on defense and rebounding coupled with long stretches of sub-par intensity. Again, recurring themes with this squad after the Monmouth debacle.
I'm beginning to think getting to a 9-9/10-8 record in the Big East is going to be quite a challenge for these guys. Luckily, the bottom half of the league seems pretty soft, but I don't have a ton of hope right now against Nova, Butler, Xavier, Providence, and Marquette...
More disturbed today than before. Total bummer.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 16, 2015 11:55:34 GMT -5
Bump... Lack of attention to detail on defense and rebounding coupled with long stretches of sub-par intensity. Again, recurring themes with this squad after the Monmouth debacle. I'm beginning to think getting to a 9-9/10-8 record in the Big East is going to be quite a challenge for these guys. Luckily, the bottom half of the league seems pretty soft, but I don't have a ton of hope right now against Nova, Butler, Xavier, Providence, and Marquette... More disturbed today than before. Total bummer. Getting to the tournament is by no means a sure thing at this point. Beating Connecticut would definitely help, but I tend to think that we would need at least 10-8 in the Big East to be safely in at this point (unless we went 9-9 and beat Villanova and Xavier twice, or something like that). The good news is that it's very feasible that we could win two against Creighton, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Marquette, and DePaul. The bad news is that they aren't close to a sure thing, and at this point, taking any wins against Xavier and Villanova is looking to be difficult. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 16, 2015 12:05:32 GMT -5
The games versus Duke, Maryland, Syracuse and Maryland weren't flukes. This team is much more likely going to be up and down than beat all the teams we are better than and lose to the all the teams we aren't.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 16, 2015 12:20:34 GMT -5
The games versus Duke, Maryland, Syracuse and Maryland weren't flukes. This team is much more likely going to be up and down than beat all the teams we are better than and lose to the all the teams we aren't. Right. And that's why I remain optimistic. This notion that "mid-major" teams just automatically have our number because of some key attribute ("quickness," "freedom of play," "penetrating guards," "having fun" or whatever else is the theory of the day) just baffles me. The Dukes, Marylands, and Syracuses of the world have quick players and penetrating players, etc. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 16, 2015 12:46:13 GMT -5
The games versus Duke, Maryland, Syracuse and Maryland weren't flukes. This team is much more likely going to be up and down than beat all the teams we are better than and lose to the all the teams we aren't. Right. And that's why I remain optimistic. This notion that "mid-major" teams just automatically have our number because of some key attribute ("quickness," "freedom of play," "penetrating guards," "having fun" or whatever else is the theory of the day) just baffles me. The Dukes, Marylands, and Syracuses of the world have quick players and penetrating players, etc. I don't know if I am optimistic. I'm more optimistic than some of these folks, who think we are going to play the same way against everyone that we played against Monmouth. The team has talent, but it does not play well as a team. Period. |
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Post by ScreamingHoya on Dec 16, 2015 13:00:24 GMT -5
I also remain frustrated by what I publicly hear from JT3 with regards to losses of this nature. For instance, he said multiple times during last night's press conference that Monmouth "was the best offensive team we've played this year." It might have felt like it to him because they so easily got into the paint, but I think that's more due to our poor defense than their offense. Statistically, Monmouth (ranked #101 in offensive efficiency by Ken Pomeroy) is nowhere near Duke (#1), Maryland (#11), Wisconsin (#44) or Syracuse (#69). Frankly, their defense (they rank #36 in defensive efficiency) is far better than their offense.
Now, who knows if privately JT3 actually believes that Monmouth was the best offense we've played against this season, but if so it concerns me that he seems to so fundamentally miss the mark in evaluating these teams. Perhaps it may explain why we were so woefully unprepared coming into last night's game?
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 16, 2015 13:16:28 GMT -5
Basically, we're at the inflection point that the 2013 and 2007 teams hit, and the question is whether things get fixed like they did in 2007 and 2013, or if we end up like we did in 2010--able to beat everyone, but just as likely to lose to anyone as well.
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