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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Dec 5, 2015 20:05:21 GMT -5
how about bradley hayes today 21 and 10 enough said .
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GUMBA
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Post by GUMBA on Dec 5, 2015 21:42:13 GMT -5
Career high today and 8-12 from the field. He is Captain Hook. From both sides.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 5, 2015 23:31:19 GMT -5
I think I was most impressed today with how he was getting low and moving his feet on the defensive end. He had a size advantage and many smaller guys tried to exploit that once they got past their man on the perimeter. Bradley did a really nice job moving the puppies as Raftery (I really wish he worked the game today) would say. For a guy that struggles with that at times and, as a result, has been a fouling machine, it was great to see him improving that part of his game. It will help him to be on the floor for more of the game and also improve our team defense in a big way. I'm very happy for the kid that he put in such a great performance especially in a nationally televised game. Great job, Bradley!
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Dec 6, 2015 0:43:29 GMT -5
When you lose, in game decisions should be question. A possession here and there is the difference between a win or loss. Down the final stretch of the game, several posters pointed out how Duke was getting rebounds that could have been rebounded by a Hoya. Duke 31 rebounds vs Gtwon 27 rebounds The last 5 minutes of the game Amile Jefferson grabbed 4 rebounds, 2 of which were offensive rebounds in a 4 second span which lead to 2 points by Duke. If Gtown could have gotten one of those boards then that is 1 extra possession that the Hoyas have in a game that ended in a 2 point loss. Bradley played 10 minutes and pulled down zero rebounds. Zero. Jessie played 17 minutes and had 4 boards. I apologize for bringing facts into this discussion.It turns out that your facts were wrong...but I do not think that they will change your pereception of Bradley Hayes.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 6, 2015 7:56:13 GMT -5
Bradley played 10 minutes and pulled down zero rebounds. Zero. Jessie played 17 minutes and had 4 boards. I apologize for bringing facts into this discussion.It turns out that your facts were wrong...but I do not think that they will change your pereception of Bradley Hayes. My "facts" (2 weeks ago, seems a very delayed reaction) were bases on the box score on the front page for the game. And the "fact" that B. actually got one rebound instead of zero changed nothing - for that game. Your silly reference to my "perception" of Bradley is nonsensical. My point was that he did nothing in the Duke game, and Govan was the better choice ( although not by much). I am absolutely thrilled with how hard B. has worked and how much better he has gotten, just like with Reggie. Bradley will be a big piece of the puzzle this year. But he wasn't against Duke.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 6, 2015 8:34:46 GMT -5
It turns out that your facts were wrong...but I do not think that they will change your pereception of Bradley Hayes. My "facts" (2 weeks ago, seems a very delayed reaction) were bases on the box score on the front page for the game. And the "fact" that B. actually got one rebound instead of zero changed nothing - for that game. Your silly reference to my "perception" of Bradley is nonsensical. My point was that he did nothing in the Duke game, and Govan was the better choice ( although not by much). I am absolutely thrilled with how hard B. has worked and how much better he has gotten, just like with Reggie. Bradley will be a big piece of the puzzle this year. But he wasn't against Duke. Lol but your "facts" weren't facts so no need to apologize for bringing "them" into the discussion. This is hoyatalk where posters make stuff up and provide thorough player breakdowns from glancing at box scores instead of actually paying attention to what happens in games, right?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 6, 2015 8:50:09 GMT -5
I watched every minute of the Duke game. Bradley did virtually nothing and was a liability on defense. I did not remember his single rebound, and read DFW's recap and his box score to try to confirm my memory. The coach made the right choice in going with the guys who were playing better.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 6, 2015 9:11:52 GMT -5
I watched every minute of the Duke game. Bradley did virtually nothing and was a liability on defense. I did not remember his single rebound, and read DFW's recap and his box score to try to confirm my memory. The coach made the right choice in going with the guys who were playing better. I agree with your recollection of Hayes play against Duke. In contrast he was incredible yesterday. That does not change anything in the past. Players are going to be up and down over the course of the year. Hayes has improved beyond anyone's expectation. He deserves kudos for his play, his work ethic in getting better and most importantly his dedication to the school, the program and his teammates. I hope that he remains the poster boy for this year's team and hope that at the end of the season he can get an opportunity to play professionally here or overseas if that is the goal. However, when he, or any other player, on this very deep team is having an off-night it is the responsibility of the coach to sit him and try someone else.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 6, 2015 9:15:59 GMT -5
I watched every minute of the Duke game. Bradley did virtually nothing and was a liability on defense. I did not remember his single rebound, and read DFW's recap and his box score to try to confirm my memory. The coach made the right choice in going with the guys who were playing better. He had 2 defensive rebounds in the games 1st 2.5 minutes.. Regardless of how poorly Hayes had played, it's not crazy to think he might have been an option considering Duke grabbed 4 offensive rebounds in the last 4 minutes of the game.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 6, 2015 9:18:25 GMT -5
I watched every minute of the Duke game. Bradley did virtually nothing and was a liability on defense. I did not remember his single rebound, and read DFW's recap and his box score to try to confirm my memory. The coach made the right choice in going with the guys who were playing better. No while I agree with the assessment I was just pointing out hat it's clearly faulty (and/or bias). I think the fact that you don't remember the rebound is the whole point. It happened and you can't take that away from him.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 6, 2015 9:24:02 GMT -5
BRADLEY IS FREAKING MUCH MORE MEANIER LIKE ROY AND OH HENRY nuf said KEEP IT UP BIG GUY BE REALLY MEAN
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 6, 2015 11:41:04 GMT -5
I watched every minute of the Duke game. Bradley did virtually nothing and was a liability on defense. I did not remember his single rebound, and read DFW's recap and his box score to try to confirm my memory. The coach made the right choice in going with the guys who were playing better. No while I agree with the assessment I was just pointing out that it's clearly faulty (and/or bias). I think the fact that you don't remember the rebound is the whole point. It happened and you can't take that away from him. I wasn't trying to take a rebound away from him for goodness sake. Bradley wasvineffective on the whole. Jessie was effective so he played. I love what B is doing, so TJI's baseless claim about my "perception" of Bradley was just wrong. And wait - you agree with my assessment, but it is wrong or biased? I'm confused.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 6, 2015 12:08:03 GMT -5
No while I agree with the assessment I was just pointing out that it's clearly faulty (and/or bias). I think the fact that you don't remember the rebound is the whole point. It happened and you can't take that away from him. I wasn't trying to take a rebound away from him for goodness sake. Bradley wasvineffective on the whole. Jessie was effective so he played. I love what B is doing, so TJI's baseless claim about my "perception" of Bradley was just wrong. And wait - you agree with my assessment, but it is wrong or biased? I'm confused. Are you really that confused? Then look on the previous page where you had a post where you twice stated that Brad got zero rebounds, stated that as fact when it was not the truth. Using a lie as support for your argument does, in fact, make it faulty. I don't see what's confusing you. It's like planting evidence and trying to frame someone.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 6, 2015 14:54:38 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to take a rebound away from him for goodness sake. Bradley wasvineffective on the whole. Jessie was effective so he played. I love what B is doing, so TJI's baseless claim about my "perception" of Bradley was just wrong. And wait - you agree with my assessment, but it is wrong or biased? I'm confused. Are you really that confused? Then look on the previous page where you had a post where you twice stated that Brad got zero rebounds, stated that as fact when it was not the truth. Using a lie as support for your argument does, in fact, make it faulty. I don't see what's confusing you. It's like planting evidence and trying to frame someone. Hey ------- I already said twice now that I was using the box score on the front page, which had zero rebounds. So maybe you need to find a dictionary and check out "lie" - an INTENTIONAL mistruth, not a mistake. The AP box score did have one board, so I was wrong. And it does not change one iota the fact that Bradley was more ineffective than Govan, do Hayes was not playing down the stretch.
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Post by swhoya on Dec 6, 2015 16:51:58 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to take a rebound away from him for goodness sake. Bradley wasvineffective on the whole. Jessie was effective so he played. I love what B is doing, so TJI's baseless claim about my "perception" of Bradley was just wrong. And wait - you agree with my assessment, but it is wrong or biased? I'm confused. Are you really that confused? Then look on the previous page where you had a post where you twice stated that Brad got zero rebounds, stated that as fact when it was not the truth. Using a lie as support for your argument does, in fact, make it faulty. I don't see what's confusing you. It's like planting evidence and trying to frame someone. I'm going to suggest that acting like someone being off by a single rebound is evidence that his whole argument is wrong, is just silly and frankly makes you look like you don't have much of substance to say in response. To say nothing of trying to frame it as someone lying when that's clearly not what happened. Regardless, can't we all just agree that Hayes had a great game and hope he has many more to come? Why so concerned with whether that proves you right or not?
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 6, 2015 17:04:57 GMT -5
Are you really that confused? Then look on the previous page where you had a post where you twice stated that Brad got zero rebounds, stated that as fact when it was not the truth. Using a lie as support for your argument does, in fact, make it faulty. I don't see what's confusing you. It's like planting evidence and trying to frame someone. I'm going to suggest that acting like someone being off by a single rebound is evidence that his whole argument is wrong, is just silly and frankly makes you look like you don't have much of substance to say in response. To say nothing of trying to frame it as someone lying when that's clearly not what happened. Regardless, can't we all just agree that Hayes had a great game and hope he has many more to come? Why so concerned with whether that proves you right or not? Maybe go back and read the conversation and you'll see where I said I agreed with his assessment. The point was that he was using biased supporting evidence and not being objective enough in his analysis. It also clearly showed that his argument was based off of emotion and not fact.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 6, 2015 18:55:42 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 6, 2015 19:49:57 GMT -5
I'm going to suggest that acting like someone being off by a single rebound is evidence that his whole argument is wrong, is just silly and frankly makes you look like you don't have much of substance to say in response. To say nothing of trying to frame it as someone lying when that's clearly not what happened. Regardless, can't we all just agree that Hayes had a great game and hope he has many more to come? Why so concerned with whether that proves you right or not? Maybe go back and read the conversation and you'll see where I said I agreed with his assessment. The point was that he was using biased supporting evidence and not being objective enough in his analysis. It also clearly showed that his argument was based off of emotion and not fact. *sigh* I'll try one last time, then give up on penetrating the wall. It was a mistake, and a small one, based on a usually reputable source, DFW's posting of the box score. It was not a "lie" or a "biased analysis". And one rebound vs. zero does not really change the assessment - with which you allegedly agree (which logically means your assessment must be biased as well?). To suggest - no to state with certainty - that this proved that I was driven by "bias" and "emotion" smacks of a "biased" agenda. Bradley has been a huge factor this year. He has been one of our best 2 players. Just not against Duke.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 6, 2015 19:57:29 GMT -5
Maybe go back and read the conversation and you'll see where I said I agreed with his assessment. The point was that he was using biased supporting evidence and not being objective enough in his analysis. It also clearly showed that his argument was based off of emotion and not fact. *sigh* I'll try one last time, then give up on penetrating the wall. It was a mistake, and a small one, based on a usually reputable source, DFW's posting of the box score. It was not a "lie" or a "biased analysis". And one rebound vs. zero does not really change the assessment - with which you allegedly agree (which logically means your assessment must be biased as well?). To suggest - no to state with certainty - that this proved that I was driven by "bias" and "emotion" smacks of a "biased" agenda. Bradley has been a huge factor this year. He has been one of our best 2 players. Just not against Duke. My point is if you had actually watched what he actually does on the court you wouldn't have to rely on a box score to make your analysis. It's faulty because it's apparently not based off of actual performance, just stats.
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Post by jld on Dec 6, 2015 20:12:30 GMT -5
The whole point is that GU has a two-headed center with Hayes and Govan, and may even have a solid third option in Mourning depending on his continued development. Hayes is very effective in some situations but not others -- he thrived against a zone defense due to his sheer size, including offensive rebounding. He will not be as effective against a quicker team. For that Govan/Mourning may work.
The depth of this team is a great weapon and luxury, and we should all be proud that Hayes stuck with it.
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