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Post by This Just In on Feb 19, 2016 10:24:57 GMT -5
Just a quick response that Trump then made an appearance on O'Reilly and then stated that he didn't know if Bush knew that there were not weapons of mass destruction. If you are calling Bush a liar, then you are including Colin Powell as a liar also as he was interviewed recently and maintained that they all thought that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction. Also, Bush had been president for 8 months before the 9/11. For the next 7 years, there were no more terrorist incidents in this country. BTW-Trump will say anything without any rationale, then he will contradict himself. Remember that Trump is NOT a self made billionaire. He inherited 200-400 million from his father about 45 years ago. Most experts claim that Trump has grossly exaggerated his wealth. At any rate, he could have put the money in CDs and he would have been worth at least as much as he is now. Did you have any issues with Trump getting booed at the debate?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 19, 2016 10:42:46 GMT -5
Just a quick response that Trump then made an appearance on O'Reilly and then stated that he didn't know if Bush knew that there were not weapons of mass destruction. If you are calling Bush a liar, then you are including Colin Powell as a liar also as he was interviewed recently and maintained that they all thought that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction. Also, Bush had been president for 8 months before the 9/11. For the next 7 years, there were no more terrorist incidents in this country. BTW-Trump will say anything without any rationale, then he will contradict himself. Remember that Trump is NOT a self made billionaire. He inherited 200-400 million from his father about 45 years ago. Most experts claim that Trump has grossly exaggerated his wealth. At any rate, he could have put the money in CDs and he would have been worth at least as much as he is now. Bush is a liar, and one of the 10 worst presidents in the history of the country. From the beginning, despite the public pronouncements, the administration's policy aimed to force regime change in Iraq. The administration used WMD as the excuse for war. As history shows, the results of the administration's chicanery proved to be disastrous. Powell actually argued against the war to Bush, but Bush failed to heed his counsel. A discussion can be found in Georgetown professor, Paul R. Pillar's, excellent book, Intelligence and U.S. Foreign Policy. If you have an interest, it's worth the read. Props to the original poster who suggested this excellent book on the board several months ago. BTW, Trump is as big a liar as Bush.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 19, 2016 10:45:09 GMT -5
Just a quick response that Trump then made an appearance on O'Reilly and then stated that he didn't know if Bush knew that there were not weapons of mass destruction. If you are calling Bush a liar, then you are including Colin Powell as a liar also as he was interviewed recently and maintained that they all thought that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction. Also, Bush had been president for 8 months before the 9/11. For the next 7 years, there were no more terrorist incidents in this country. BTW-Trump will say anything without any rationale, then he will contradict himself. Remember that Trump is NOT a self made billionaire. He inherited 200-400 million from his father about 45 years ago. Most experts claim that Trump has grossly exaggerated his wealth. At any rate, he could have put the money in CDs and he would have been worth at least as much as he is now. C'mon, I know Trump isn't Horatio Alger, but let's not make him out to be a trust fund baby who hasn't accomplished anything tangible in the business world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:31:48 GMT -5
Actually, he hasn't done much considering his wealth. He invested heavily in Atlantic City casinos and it all went belly up. Just don't make him out to be a business genius, because he is not. He has made innumerable investments, but there is no evidence that he was especially skilled. In the last few years he has done very well, but that is due to the fact that his kids are running his businesses.
BTW, I have heard his daughter and son on TV and they are brilliant and eloquent speakers. Really impressed with them.
On another note. If you get a chance, try browsing through news services from other countries. They are uniformly horrified at the thought of Trump being president. He is viewed as a bigot and racist (especially against muslims and Mexicans), and is loose with the facts. His election would strain America's credibility abroad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:57:09 GMT -5
PS If you do find a foreign source that supports Trump, please post a site I would really like to read it. I haven't found any foreign support yet. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 14:21:47 GMT -5
Just a quick response that Trump then made an appearance on O'Reilly and then stated that he didn't know if Bush knew that there were not weapons of mass destruction. If you are calling Bush a liar, then you are including Colin Powell as a liar also as he was interviewed recently and maintained that they all thought that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction. Also, Bush had been president for 8 months before the 9/11. For the next 7 years, there were no more terrorist incidents in this country. BTW-Trump will say anything without any rationale, then he will contradict himself. Remember that Trump is NOT a self made billionaire. He inherited 200-400 million from his father about 45 years ago. Most experts claim that Trump has grossly exaggerated his wealth. At any rate, he could have put the money in CDs and he would have been worth at least as much as he is now. Bush is a liar, and one of the 10 worst presidents in the history of the country. From the beginning, despite the public pronouncements, the administration's policy aimed to force regime change in Iraq. The administration used WMD as the excuse for war. As history shows, the results of the administration's chicanery proved to be disastrous. Powell actually argued against the war to Bush, but Bush failed to heed his counsel. A discussion can be found in Georgetown professor, Paul R. Pillar's, excellent book, Intelligence and U.S. Foreign Policy. If you have an interest, it's worth the read. Props to the original poster who suggested this excellent book on the board several months ago. BTW, Trump is as big a liar as Bush. If you want to claim that the Iraq war was a mistake, you will get no disagreement from me. You are correct about Colin Powell, but he was the only voice among Bush's advisors who was against the war (and he was right). Now please give me an example of Bush's lies (and don't try weapons of mass destruction as no one has provided any evidence of this, and Colin Powell confirmed on TV in the last few months that Bush and he both believed that he had weapons of mass destruction). Please provide some examples of Bush's lies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 14:28:55 GMT -5
PS for Hoyainspirit This from Meet the Press on September 6, 2015 is a direct quote from Colin Powel
COLIN POWELL:
If we had known the intelligence was wrong, we would not have gone into Iraq. But the intelligence community, all 16 agencies, assured us that it was right. My speech at the UN was based on that information. But guess what? 376 members of Congress, if I have my number correctly, voted on the basis of that intelligence, that it was something the president can do.
We tried to avoid it. I asked the president if we could take it to the United Nations, and we agreed, we took the case to the United Nations. All Saddam had to do to get out of jail at that time was to comply with the requirements of the United Nations. He chose not to. And the president decided, based on the intelligence that he had, and what he knew about the overall situation, that military force was necessary.
We quickly took Baghdad. My own personal belief is that after taking Baghdad, we made terrible strategic mistakes. The disbanding of the Iraqi Army, which we were counting on, the Pentagon asked us to count on that army to provide the security. And so I think the execution of the operation was flawed. Badly flawed. That the president made a decision as commander in chief, based on the information and intelligence he had
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Post by Elvado on Feb 19, 2016 15:18:17 GMT -5
Nice to see that within hours of condemning Trump, the Holy Father is hugging a Castro. Huh?
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Post by quickplay on Feb 19, 2016 17:42:42 GMT -5
Well, IS the pope Catholic?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 19, 2016 17:59:29 GMT -5
Bush is a liar, and one of the 10 worst presidents in the history of the country. From the beginning, despite the public pronouncements, the administration's policy aimed to force regime change in Iraq. The administration used WMD as the excuse for war. As history shows, the results of the administration's chicanery proved to be disastrous. Powell actually argued against the war to Bush, but Bush failed to heed his counsel. A discussion can be found in Georgetown professor, Paul R. Pillar's, excellent book, Intelligence and U.S. Foreign Policy. If you have an interest, it's worth the read. Props to the original poster who suggested this excellent book on the board several months ago. BTW, Trump is as big a liar as Bush. If you want to claim that the Iraq war was a mistake, you will get no disagreement from me. You are correct about Colin Powell, but he was the only voice among Bush's advisors who was against the war (and he was right). Now please give me an example of Bush's lies (and don't try weapons of mass destruction as no one has provided any evidence of this, and Colin Powell confirmed on TV in the last few months that Bush and he both believed that he had weapons of mass destruction). Please provide some examples of Bush's lies. Jerry, there are lies of commission and lies of omission. Bush lied in his selling of the war to the country. He used the threat of WMD to build support over many months prior to the invasion, all the while concealing his true aims for invading Iraq - regime change and instituting democracy. So yes, I am going with weapons of mass destruction as a big lie. I trust that argument's not too nuanced for you. Man, you believe that the officers involved in the Tamir Rice shooting acted responsibly, that Rice's death results from unfortunate circumstances. I'm not sure that whatever I say, or for that matter, whatever you read, will dissuade you from any position you've adopted.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 19, 2016 18:29:35 GMT -5
Actually, he hasn't done much considering his wealth. He invested heavily in Atlantic City casinos and it all went belly up. Just don't make him out to be a business genius, because he is not. He has made innumerable investments, but there is no evidence that he was especially skilled. In the last few years he has done very well, but that is due to the fact that his kids are running his businesses. It's not my goal of being a Donald Trump defender, but your arguments are just so, um, out there. It's like arguing that if the 1995-1996 Bulls played the Golden State Warrior today 10 times, they would lose 10 times and by wide margins at that.
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Post by quickplay on Feb 19, 2016 20:01:55 GMT -5
As someone pretty far on the left who has been watching the Dems sink into the quicksand, I'm quite enjoying this Trump/9-11/Pope/Bankruptcy twist to the conversation. We may end up destroying the country in this election cycle but nobody can say it isn't entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 21:41:28 GMT -5
Actually, he hasn't done much considering his wealth. He invested heavily in Atlantic City casinos and it all went belly up. Just don't make him out to be a business genius, because he is not. He has made innumerable investments, but there is no evidence that he was especially skilled. In the last few years he has done very well, but that is due to the fact that his kids are running his businesses. It's not my goal of being a Donald Trump defender, but your arguments are just so, um, out there. It's like arguing that if the 1995-1996 Bulls played the Golden State Warrior today 10 times, they would lose 10 times and by wide margins at that. Unfortunately, you do this all the time and never make specific arguments. If you want to make your arguments of being a Trump supporter or whatever, by all means do so. It is easy to say my arguments are "just so, um out there." However, you offer nothing specific in response. I totally stand by my opinion that the Golden State Warriors would destroy the 1995-1996 Bulls and I am not alone in feeling that way including many basketball commentators. Science and technology alone makes the players today, bigger, faster and stronger. And by the way, if you watched the 3 point shooting contest before the NBA all star game you will notice that the accuracy of the players today is vastly superior to the equivalent contest during the 1996 3 point contest. But you will respond that my opinion is out there without anything specific.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 21:46:54 GMT -5
If you want to claim that the Iraq war was a mistake, you will get no disagreement from me. You are correct about Colin Powell, but he was the only voice among Bush's advisors who was against the war (and he was right). Now please give me an example of Bush's lies (and don't try weapons of mass destruction as no one has provided any evidence of this, and Colin Powell confirmed on TV in the last few months that Bush and he both believed that he had weapons of mass destruction). Please provide some examples of Bush's lies. Jerry, there are lies of commission and lies of omission. Bush lied in his selling of the war to the country. He used the threat of WMD to build support over many months prior to the invasion, all the while concealing his true aims for invading Iraq - regime change and instituting democracy. So yes, I am going with weapons of mass destruction as a big lie. I trust that argument's not too nuanced for you. Man, you believe that the officers involved in the Tamir Rice shooting acted responsibly, that Rice's death results from unfortunate circumstances. I'm not sure that whatever I say, or for that matter, whatever you read, will dissuade you from any position you've adopted. Please give me one specific example of one lie from President Bush. If you are calling Bush a liar about weapons of mass destruction, then you have to include Colin Powell as a liar also as well as the head of the CIA and British intelligence, etc. Also, he NEVER hid that his goal was regime change and installing Democracy. He said that publicly many times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 21:51:56 GMT -5
PS-please do not misrepresent my opinion. You have my posts. Show me one instance where I said that the officer in charge acted responsibly. I even made the points that he acted irresponsibly. I even gave examples from other officers how they would have approached the situation. However, that is a far cry from sending this guy to prison for 40 years. Should he be punished? Yes, but not for manslaughter. I am happy to engage you in debate. Just please don't misrepresent what I said.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 20, 2016 21:25:48 GMT -5
As someone pretty far on the left who has been watching the Dems sink into the quicksand, I'm quite enjoying this Trump/9-11/Pope/Bankruptcy twist to the conversation. We may end up destroying the country in this election cycle but nobody can say it isn't entertaining. Jeb ends his campaign tonight. Trump takes S. Carolina, then Rubio, then Cruz. Who do you think will be the last 2 standing in this 3 man race? Hillary beats Bernie by 52% vs 48% Bernie closed the gap in Nevado but it was not good enough. How do you think the states beyond S. Carolina will go?
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Post by This Just In on Feb 23, 2016 0:25:33 GMT -5
My prediction for Bernie over the coming months: 1. At the moment he and Hillary have the same amount of pledged delegates (not a prediction, fact). 2. He will close some of the gap in SC, he won't win. But, he will walk away with 40% or more of the delegates. Keeping him nearly tied. 3. On Super Tuesday he WILL win: Minnesota, Colorado, Mass., Vermont, and Oklahoma. 4. On Super Tuesday he MAY do relatively well in: Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Virginia. Texas for example is relatively young and has relatively few African Americans (compared to the deep south). Bernie has just shownt that he is at least competitive if not slightly advantaged among hispanic voters. 5. On Super Tuesday he WILL lose: Alabama and Georgia, states at the forefront of the Democrat's future.... I think it is likely that the two candidates will still be tied or nearly tied after Super Tuesday. It is possible that Bernie will come out in the lead. After Super Tuesday, the States favor Bernie for the rest of the primary season. If he can hold on that long he will win.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 23, 2016 5:39:18 GMT -5
My prediction for Bernie over the coming months: 1. At the moment he and Hillary have the same amount of pledged delegates (not a prediction, fact). 2. He will close some of the gap in SC, he won't win. But, he will walk away with 40% or more of the delegates. Keeping him nearly tied. 3. On Super Tuesday he WILL win: Minnesota, Colorado, Mass., Vermont, and Oklahoma. 4. On Super Tuesday he MAY do relatively well in: Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Virginia. Texas for example is relatively young and has relatively few African Americans (compared to the deep south). Bernie has just shownt that he is at least competitive if not slightly advantaged among hispanic voters. 5. On Super Tuesday he WILL lose: Alabama and Georgia, states at the forefront of the Democrat's future.... I think it is likely that the two candidates will still be tied or nearly tied after Super Tuesday. It is possible that Bernie will come out in the lead. After Super Tuesday, the States favor Bernie for the rest of the primary season. If he can hold on that long he will win. The cruelest irony for Democrat voters is that Bernie will end up losing the very "rigged game" he decries each and every day on the stump. Nothing short of an indictment stops Lady Rodham at this point. The fix is in.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 23, 2016 17:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by This Just In on Feb 24, 2016 8:39:35 GMT -5
I have a feeling that the investigation will be about nothing, unless Hillary wins the Democratic nomination... Then an indictment may come down giving the Republican nominee the Presidential election in the process.
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