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Post by SaxaCD on Feb 9, 2016 9:37:24 GMT -5
One thing I'm sure of is that all the talk that was for "the crazies" and "conspiracy theorists" back in 2008 will be considered genuine intellectual debate and honest differences of opinion among scholars now.
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Post by SaxaCD on Feb 9, 2016 9:38:50 GMT -5
I wonder if other countries, particularly Europe are getting a good laugh at US politics. Both parties are embarrassing. Well, we could be Italy and have hundreds of embarrassing parties, so there's that!
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 9, 2016 9:48:22 GMT -5
One thing I'm sure of is that all the talk that was for "the crazies" and "conspiracy theorists" back in 2008 will be considered genuine intellectual debate and honest differences of opinion among scholars now. You miss what the birthers and conspiracy theorists were saying back in 2008. It wasn't about the Constitutional definition of natural born citizen. The birther conspiracy was that Obama wasn't actually born in Hawaii, despite evidence to the contrary. Everyone concedes that Cruz was born in Canada. That's a crucial difference. Very little discussion of Obama's status as a natural born citizen was about having a Kenyan father and American mother. It was about where was he actually born. Orly Taitz ring a bell? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
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Post by kchoya on Feb 9, 2016 15:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Feb 9, 2016 16:11:12 GMT -5
I am shocked that a true Progressive with such deeply held convictions as Hillary has would ever speak that way. That's surely not our Hillary who was named after a mountain climber and faced down enemy fire as a lifelong Yankee fan.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 10, 2016 17:04:37 GMT -5
I am shocked that a true Progressive with such deeply held convictions as Hillary has would ever speak that way. That's surely not our Hillary who was named after a mountain climber and faced down enemy fire as a lifelong Yankee fan. You mean Hillary "Black Live Matter" Clinton, the lifelong champion of racial justice? Clinton allies grapple with crushing loss
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Post by This Just In on Feb 11, 2016 20:05:25 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Feb 11, 2016 22:38:12 GMT -5
This is a great list of Bernie Sanders taking losing positions and never achieving anything meaningful.
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Post by quickplay on Feb 12, 2016 9:44:16 GMT -5
This is a great list of Bernie Sanders taking losing positions and never achieving anything meaningful. You mean an individual politician fighting a corrupt system has not been able to singlehandedly win against the military-industrial complex, big banks, racism, and poverty?!? Wow he sure is such a joke LOL!!!
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Post by TC on Feb 12, 2016 10:51:08 GMT -5
Yes, an individual politician not tethered to party whatsoever or constrained by getting anything done. At points in the process, Bernie was ready to vote against Obamacare because there was no public option - pre-existing conditions et all be damned.
The list posted suggests that losing a high school election was an accomplishment because the winner did something Bernie - who lost - was suggesting. I think unintentionally, that's in the end going to be a pretty good metaphor for the eventual impact of Bernie's campaign for President.
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Post by quickplay on Feb 12, 2016 11:06:31 GMT -5
Eh, I think that kind of vague nonsense played much better a few months ago. I'd respond but there's really nothing to respond to.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 12, 2016 11:29:40 GMT -5
Eh, I think that kind of vague nonsense played much better a few months ago. I'd respond but there's really nothing to respond to. While I routinely disagree with both Seantor Sanders and President Obama on their policy positions and convictions and believe many of them to be wrong-headed, at least these two have what I believe to be sincere convictions about what they want to do. Contrast with Mrs. Clinton whose only sincerely held conviction is that she should win the White House. Her convictions are as false as her eye color.
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Post by TC on Feb 12, 2016 11:56:38 GMT -5
Which differs from the Republican candidates in what way (Trump, Cruz, Rubio)? Party politicians change positions and Trump's Trump. The only reason you're saying nice things about Sanders is because you're not scared of him, he'd be a liability in a general that even the clowns in the GOP Primary could beat with Joe the Plumber arguments.
I really, really don't get the Sanders thing. The Supreme Court is ready to throw out the Clean Air Act regulations they themselves said needed to be put into place on absolute nonsense. The House Majority will be against him, and he won't get Senate majority on anything he's proposing. Sanders's plans are like asking for a pony for Arbor Day. If you want to change a broken system you need 5 + 60 + 218 + 1, not just a President who wants a lot.
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Post by quickplay on Feb 12, 2016 12:25:14 GMT -5
How on earth does that make Clinton the better choice? She doesn't want to change a broken system. She benefits from the broken system. She's a fundamental part of it.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 12, 2016 12:27:50 GMT -5
Which differs from the Republican candidates in what way (Trump, Cruz, Rubio)? Party politicians change positions and Trump's Trump. The only reason you're saying nice things about Sanders is because you're not scared of him, he'd be a liability in a general that even the clowns in the GOP Primary could beat with Joe the Plumber arguments. I really, really don't get the Sanders thing. The Supreme Court is ready to throw out the Clean Air Act regulations they themselves said needed to be put into place on absolute nonsense. The House Majority will be against him, and he won't get Senate majority on anything he's proposing. Sanders's plans are like asking for a pony for Arbor Day. If you want to change a broken system you need 5 + 60 + 218 + 1, not just a President who wants a lot. Because the GOP Congress is going to give in to HRC? You think she's going to get that $100B she was talking about?
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Post by This Just In on Feb 12, 2016 22:17:46 GMT -5
Which differs from the Republican candidates in what way (Trump, Cruz, Rubio)? Party politicians change positions and Trump's Trump. The only reason you're saying nice things about Sanders is because you're not scared of him, he'd be a liability in a general that even the clowns in the GOP Primary could beat with Joe the Plumber arguments. I really, really don't get the Sanders thing. The Supreme Court is ready to throw out the Clean Air Act regulations they themselves said needed to be put into place on absolute nonsense. The House Majority will be against him, and he won't get Senate majority on anything he's proposing. Sanders's plans are like asking for a pony for Arbor Day. If you want to change a broken system you need 5 + 60 + 218 + 1, not just a President who wants a lot. With the response above, are you stating that you are okay with the status quo of the Democratic Party? Who Endorsed Hillary Clinton? The Congressional Black Caucus or Its PAC Filled with Lobbyists?
Side note: Rep. Gregory Meeks was on CNN with the same rhetoric about Sanders and Clinton but was never questioned as to the motives The Following is a portion from an article @ The Intercept:
Members of the CBC PAC board include Daron Watts, a lobbyist for Purdue Pharma, the makers of highly addictive opioid OxyContin; Mike Mckay and Chaka Burgess, both lobbyists for Navient, the student loan giant that was spun off of Sallie Mae; former Rep. Al Wynn, D-Md., a lobbyist who represents a range of clients, including work last year on behalf of Lorillard Tobacco, the makers of Newport cigarettes; and William A. Kirk, who lobbiesfor a cigar industry trade group on a range of tobacco regulations.
And a significant percentage of the $7,000 raised this cycle by the CBC PAC was donated by white lobbyists, including Vic Fazio, who represents Philip Morris and served for years as a lobbyist to Corrections Corporation of America, and David Adams, a former Clinton aide who now lobbies for Wal-Mart, the largest gun distributor in America.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 12, 2016 22:43:05 GMT -5
I already had a pretty good idea about how corrupt 'politics' is, but I didn't realise how corrupt the actual elections were. For example, despite basically tying with Bernie in Iowa, then losing big in New Hampshire, Hillary currently has about 300 more delegates than him as a result of having the support of almost all the so-called 'superdelegates'. That may only be a small percentage of the over 2000 delegates neede to win, but it's big enough to win a tight race.
When you combine coin tosses, Super PACs, and superdelegates it may likely get Hillary Clinton the Democratic's Party's Presidential Nomination.
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Post by TC on Feb 13, 2016 1:03:27 GMT -5
I already had a pretty good idea about how corrupt 'politics' is, but I didn't realise how corrupt the actual elections were. For example, despite basically tying with Bernie in Iowa, then losing big in New Hampshire, Hillary currently has about 300 more delegates than him as a result of having the support of almost all the so-called 'superdelegates'. That may only be a small percentage of the over 2000 delegates neede to win, but it's big enough to win a tight race. When you combine coin tosses, Super PACs, and superdelegates it may likely get Hillary Clinton the Democratic's Party's Presidential Nomination. My guy is behind so it's all corruptz!@!@ Read this and calm down. Clinton does probably win anything close to a tie, but if Sanders is winning going away, the superdelegates probably do flock to him. fivethirtyeight.com/features/superdelegates-might-not-save-hillary-clinton/
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Post by This Just In on Feb 14, 2016 12:01:50 GMT -5
am now convinced that Donald Trump does not have a political advisor. And regardless of whether you like him or not, he showed fortitude despite the boo's to make 4 profound statements against Republican talking points: 1. No cutting of medicad, medicare and social security 2. The Iraq War was mistake 3. There were no weapons of mass destruction 4. George W. Bush and cabinet lied about the weapons of mass destruction and knew there were no weapons but still led the U.S. into Iraq 5. George W. Bush did not keep us safe, as 9/11 happened on his watch. Whenever a Republican says Bush kept us safe, the Main Stream Media (MSM) does not push back and say Bush did not keep us safe. Usually this talking point goes unchallenged. Considering how popular Bush is in S. Carolina, Trump via his criticism showed why he is a candidate not beholden to donors. MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN all had pundits saying how Trump had the worst performance and blew the S.C Primary, but Trump's lead is so big that it whatever votes Trump losses may not overall affect his ability to win the primary. Trump is polling about 15% to 20% lead and it may drop to single digits, but a win is a win. According to Real Clear Politics, Trump's polling numbers have gone up since the debate and inspite of the booing that took place inside the debate hall. Feb. 14 South Carolina Republican Presidential Primary
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 12:03:05 GMT -5
Just a quick response that Trump then made an appearance on O'Reilly and then stated that he didn't know if Bush knew that there were not weapons of mass destruction. If you are calling Bush a liar, then you are including Colin Powell as a liar also as he was interviewed recently and maintained that they all thought that Sadam had weapons of mass destruction. Also, Bush had been president for 8 months before the 9/11. For the next 7 years, there were no more terrorist incidents in this country. BTW-Trump will say anything without any rationale, then he will contradict himself. Remember that Trump is NOT a self made billionaire. He inherited 200-400 million from his father about 45 years ago. Most experts claim that Trump has grossly exaggerated his wealth. At any rate, he could have put the money in CDs and he would have been worth at least as much as he is now.
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