tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 18, 2015 21:17:41 GMT -5
No timeline. My guess is that we should know by mid-may. By all accounts visit went great....hopefully we'll be seeing him in blue and gray. blueandgray, Thank you, as always, for the info. It seems like we have a great group of guys (granted, some of them are graduating very soon) and I'd bet they are a huge selling point all on their own.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 18, 2015 22:30:16 GMT -5
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 18, 2015 22:47:49 GMT -5
He reminds me a bit of Victor Page on the floor and not just because he's a southpaw. He moves a bit like him too. Similar size and build as well. Dunk form comparable as well.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Apr 18, 2015 23:03:27 GMT -5
Pass
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 18, 2015 23:46:48 GMT -5
He reminds me a bit of Victor Page on the floor and not just because he's a southpaw. He moves a bit like him too. Similar size and build as well. Dunk form comparable as well. was thinking the same thing; i've seen clips of him wearing #44
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 18, 2015 23:47:19 GMT -5
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 19, 2015 0:10:27 GMT -5
Crazy athleticism with a very good handle....two skill sets that this team needs at the guard spot. Plus, I think we all agree that he has a lot of upside. I'd take him so long as it doesn't interfere with other recruits we are high on.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Apr 19, 2015 0:16:11 GMT -5
Id rather less athletic guards with great shooting. Not being able to shoot is a huge issue for the way jt3 wants to play.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 19, 2015 0:41:15 GMT -5
Id rather less athletic guards with great shooting. Not being able to shoot is a huge issue for the way jt3 wants to play. Good point and I agree to an extent. However, having a big man that can shoot out to 12-15' fairly reliably helps this offense immensely. We've also suffered with not having a guard that can take his man on the bounce. Maybe we don't need every piece. Just pieces that fit together.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Apr 19, 2015 8:35:25 GMT -5
"The negative side would say he's a pansy because he wasn't tough enough to meet Pitino's demands and not athletic enough to cut it on the defensive end. The positive side would say you are getting a guy who is known to be a scorer and good shooter, but didn't get enough minutes to show if he could contribute if given the chance.
We have had a ton of guys transfer over the years, and very few of them have done anything at their new school. I think Pitino spots that they don't have the work ethic to get what he wants out of them and pushes them out the door. Maybe he should put more effort into getting them to commit, or maybe he would just rather cut his losses short and move on. Depends on how you look at it I guess." Got this from a Cards fan from another site.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 19, 2015 9:05:12 GMT -5
Id rather less athletic guards with great shooting. Not being able to shoot is a huge issue for the way jt3 wants to play. In the last seven years III has had some of the best and clutch shooters the program has ever had (Freeman, Thompson, Clarke, Porter, DSR) and still can't get pass the first weekend of the tourney. Heck, even Starks is a better shooter than his dad had to settle for most years and still III's teams go nowhere. He either needs to tweak the system more so he doesn't have to rely on multiple guys hitting a high percentage of three-point shots in a game to advance or he has to demand better execution on offense by his players so when it comes to the big games they will more likely produce. Either way a fix is needed. I don't know if this guy Gill is the answer but I don't want the reason to pass on him simply being he can't light it up from behind the arc. If III's systems requires shooters only then he needs to start recruiting shooters only, including bringing in Euros if he has to. At the very least bring in a big guy who is both a willing (very important) and capable shooter from fifteen feet out rather than recruit a non-shooting big and have him stand so far away from the b basket just to deliver back-door passes.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 19, 2015 9:09:47 GMT -5
Crazy athleticism with a very good handle....two skill sets that this team needs at the guard spot. Plus, I think we all agree that he has a lot of upside. I'd take him so long as it doesn't interfere with other recruits we are high on. B&G, If Gill commits, he would take the last available schollie for 2015/16. At least, the last one of which we are aware. If we still were able to get NWG or Kenny Williams, there would not be an available schollie unless someone on the current team were to depart. As far as 2016 recruits go, we would have two more schollies available next year - graduating seniors Hayes and DSR. None of that accounts for the unknown transfers or early departures that do occur most years. Finally Calihoya pointed out this would give us 7 players in the class of '18. That would be overweighted for sure. OTOH, if Agau and Gill can become productive players we will be a very strong team in 16/17. Some kids undoubtedly will leave prior to 2018 and we all know the old adage about a bird in hand. Given the disappointing results trying to get top level guards to the Hilltop, if Coach and staff believe Gill has a good chance to get his career back on track? Take him despite the other potential issues.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 19, 2015 9:14:51 GMT -5
Id rather less athletic guards with great shooting. Not being able to shoot is a huge issue for the way jt3 wants to play. In the last seven years III has had some of the best and clutch shooters the program has ever had (Freeman, Thompson, Clarke, Porter, DSR) and still can't get pass the first weekend of the tourney. Heck, even Starks is a better shooter than his dad had to settle for most years and still III's teams go nowhere. He either needs to tweak the system more so he doesn't have to rely on multiple guys hitting a high percentage of three-point shots in a game to advance or he has to demand better execution on offense by his players so when it comes to the big games they will more likely produce. Either way a fix is needed. I don't know if this guy Gill is the answer but I don't want the reason to pass on him simply being he can't light it up from behind the arc. If III's systems requires shooters only then he needs to start recruiting shooters only, including bringing in Euros if he has to. At the very least bring in a big guy who is both a willing (very important) and capable shooter from fifteen feet out rather than recruit a non-shooting big and have him stand so far away from the b basket just to deliver back-door passes. MCI - knowing how closely you follow the program, I'm sure you are aware of the proven (in HS) shooting ability that both Govan and Derrickson have demonstrated. Let's hope that translates to D1 and JT3's offense allows them room to take those shots. If so, that would fit with your comments above. Hoya fans who were here for the glory days undoubtedly remember how well Patrick could shoot. He wasn't just about dunks, putbacks, and other close in buckets.
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Post by Talos on Apr 19, 2015 9:37:38 GMT -5
The only concern I have about taking another transfer is roster balance. We'd have our original 5-man class, plus Akoy + potentially Anton or Nigel - making 7 kids in a single class. Granted, we all know that people could leave early or transfer, but it's at least something the staff should keep in mind. I agree. Also, Gill would be in the same class as Tre and LJ. I'm on the fence on Gill right now. Watching his HS videos, he looks great: athletic, and can score at all three levels. However, his production in college was horrible and the comments about his poor defense are equally concerning. I also don't agree that Gill's situation is similar to Akoy. Akoy was playing behind an NBA PF, but Gill couldn't even get significant minutes with a very thin backcourt. If it's possible, I'd much rather have a 5th year senior transfer or bring in a 2015 freshman guard. But if the staff is convinced he just needs a change of scenery, I guess I can reserve judgment. The problem with bringing in Gill is he eats up a scholarship without being able to play next year, and it means we only have 2/3 guards on the roster for next year.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 19, 2015 10:12:58 GMT -5
Really, do you want to reserve judgment, and leave it to the staff which has fared poorly in regards to backcourt recruiting for quite a few years. The simple fact that we appear to be scrambling either for a 5th year senior, junior transfers, and those re-opening their recruiting speaks volumes to where our current and future backcourt stand. perhaps, the staff at seasons end evaluations, and DSRs seven day flirtation with going pro brought them to the realization that they needed to address the situation given the potential in the front court, at least for the next year or 2.
The margin for success here given the scholarship situation is small they really can't afford to be wrong.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 19, 2015 10:57:30 GMT -5
Really, do you want to reserve judgment, and leave it to the staff which has fared poorly in regards to backcourt recruiting for quite a few years. The simple fact that we appear to be scrambling either for a 5th year senior, junior transfers, and those re-opening their recruiting speaks volumes to where our current and future backcourt stand. perhaps, the staff at seasons end evaluations, and DSRs seven day flirtation with going pro brought them to the realization that they needed to address the situation given the potential in the front court, at least for the next year or 2. The margin for success here given the scholarship situation is small they really can't afford to be wrong. If we don't leave it up to the staff, then what's the alternative? Leave it up to a vote on here?
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Post by bmartin on Apr 19, 2015 11:11:46 GMT -5
I don't understand the criticism of our recent guards. Guard play generally and guard scoring specifically have not been the weakness of recruiting or the team. With DSR, Trawick, Starks, Clark, Freeman, Wright our backcourt has been the most consistent strength and won the matchup or held its own for the past five years. Our limitations and matchup problems have been at some combination of the 3, 4, 5. We had to play 3-guard for offense but suffered on defense. We had to play Hollis out of position at the 4. Vaughn, Benimon, Lubick, Hopkins, 3 of Sims seasons, and Joshua Smith all had holes in their games that presented trade-offs that burned us against better front courts.
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Post by JWallsTreBalls on Apr 19, 2015 11:18:08 GMT -5
We had to play Hollis out of position at the 4. Vaughn, Benimon, Lubick, Hopkins, 3 of Sims seasons, and Joshua Smith all had holes in their games that presented trade-offs that burned us against better front courts. This. Over and over. This.
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Post by wnyhoya on Apr 19, 2015 11:20:19 GMT -5
I don't understand the criticism of our recent guards. Guard play generally and guard scoring specifically have not been the weakness of recruiting or the team. With DSR, Trawick, Starks, Clark, Freeman, Wright our backcourt has been the most consistent strength and won the matchup or held its own for the past five years. Our limitations and matchup problems have been at some combination of the 3, 4, 5. We had to play 3-guard for offense but suffered on defense. We had to play Hollis out of position at the 4. Vaughn, Benimon, Lubick, Hopkins, 3 of Sims seasons, and Joshua Smith all had holes in their games that presented trade-offs that burned us against better front courts. I agree. I don't get how everyone says our guard play has been mediocre. We've had some very good guards. Quality is not the issue, quantity is. We've had much more limited players in the 3,4,5 position the last 3 years. We were bad last year but it was our guards (Markel and DSR) who almost gave us a shot to get in the tournament. III has fixed the issue of just having role players at the 3,4,5 with the last years class and this years. Now we just need some more guards. We're fine
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 19, 2015 11:21:21 GMT -5
Really, do you want to reserve judgment, and leave it to the staff which has fared poorly in regards to backcourt recruiting for quite a few years. The simple fact that we appear to be scrambling either for a 5th year senior, junior transfers, and those re-opening their recruiting speaks volumes to where our current and future backcourt stand. perhaps, the staff at seasons end evaluations, and DSRs seven day flirtation with going pro brought them to the realization that they needed to address the situation given the potential in the front court, at least for the next year or 2. The margin for success here given the scholarship situation is small they really can't afford to be wrong. If we don't leave it up to the staff, then what's the alternative? Leave it up to a vote on here? I like the idea of an advisory council, to which JT3 would have to report on a daily basis. That should work well, right?
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