EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 14:22:25 GMT -5
You can't fault kids for choosing the best opportunity for themselves, they may not need UK but it damn sure helps.. I think his point was that while they may think it's the best opportunity, it may not be. It read to me that his point was the kids copped out and took the easy road instead of accepting the bigger challenge of going to a less stacked school..
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Post by 3xhoya on Apr 2, 2015 14:25:31 GMT -5
The worst part of the whole game was the announcers pointing out World Wide Wes and then singing his praises.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 2, 2015 14:27:24 GMT -5
I think his point was that while they may think it's the best opportunity, it may not be. It read to me that his point was the kids copped out and took the easy road instead of accepting the bigger challenge of going to a less stacked school.. Yeah. its the difference between having a good opportunity to win and having a good opportunity to really improve your game. Deferring responsibility doesn't help you develop your talent as much as challenging yourself would. I.e. You'd be doing yourself a favor in the long haul of life to be as prepared as can be
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 14:37:18 GMT -5
It read to me that his point was the kids copped out and took the easy road instead of accepting the bigger challenge of going to a less stacked school.. Yeah. its the difference between having a good opportunity to win and having a good opportunity to really improve your game. Deferring responsibility doesn't help you develop your talent as much as challenging yourself would. I.e. You'd be doing yourself a favor in the long haul of life to be as prepared as can be In your opinion Rock.. So Peak was better off going to South Carolina instead of G'town? Tre should have gone to GW.. Ect.. This is silly to me but we can agree to disagree.. I had to add this in.. The UK kids are in a FF4 getting ready to play minutes in the most pressure packed game of their lives.. Just sayin..
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 2, 2015 14:39:33 GMT -5
I always find it amusing when people try to poke holes in Cal and UK. They are the epitome of what every basketball program wants to be. Successful coach, winning program, blue blood history, kids making the NBA and recruits lining up to play there. I get that schooling there is easy and they are dirty as you know what, but it is a results driven business and it is BIG business. They are a complete success. They do what they have to win. I know people will rip me for this saying they are glad our coach and our program do not partake in these activities. I'm not looking to lay down with the dogs. But don't fool yourself. I just find it frustrating being asked to watch and care about his teams only to have the NCAA tell me it "never happened" a decade later...
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 2, 2015 15:07:54 GMT -5
Yeah. its the difference between having a good opportunity to win and having a good opportunity to really improve your game. Deferring responsibility doesn't help you develop your talent as much as challenging yourself would. I.e. You'd be doing yourself a favor in the long haul of life to be as prepared as can be In your opinion Rock.. So Peak was better off going to South Carolina instead of G'town? Tre should have gone to GW.. Ect.. This is silly to me but we can agree to disagree.. I had to add this in.. The UK kids are in a FF4 getting ready to play minutes in the most pressure packed game of their lives.. Just sayin.. It's a fact, deferring responsibility in anything so that you don't have to challenge yourself regularly/authentically you're not gonna be as prepared as someone who is constantly pushing themselves. I mean, that's the premise behind going to UK anyway, to play against talent, but sometimes too much talent can make you complacent. Especially when you consider the distinction between the level of competition in games and the level of competition in practice. Also, you basically just compared the talent on our roster to the talent on UK
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 15:13:47 GMT -5
In your opinion Rock.. So Peak was better off going to South Carolina instead of G'town? Tre should have gone to GW.. Ect.. This is silly to me but we can agree to disagree.. I had to add this in.. The UK kids are in a FF4 getting ready to play minutes in the most pressure packed game of their lives.. Just sayin.. It's a fact, deferring responsibility in anything so that you don't have to challenge yourself regularly/authentically you're not gonna be as prepared as someone who is constantly pushing themselves. I mean, that's the premise behind going to UK anyway, to play against talent, but sometimes too much talent can make you complacent. Especially when you consider the distinction between the level of competition in games and the level of competition in practice. Also, you basically just compared the talent on our roster to the talent on UK Answer my question Rock.. Should Peak have chosen South Carolina? No I didn't, I compared the talent of Gtown and South Carolina..
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Post by Talos on Apr 2, 2015 16:14:42 GMT -5
I always find it amusing when people try to poke holes in Cal and UK. They are the epitome of what every basketball program wants to be. Successful coach, winning program, blue blood history, kids making the NBA and recruits lining up to play there. I get that schooling there is easy and they are dirty as you know what, but it is a results driven business and it is BIG business. They are a complete success. They do what they have to win. I know people will rip me for this saying they are glad our coach and our program do not partake in these activities. I'm not looking to lay down with the dogs. But don't fool yourself. Not poking holes in Cal and UK. They are playing the system the best of anyone and they are extremely successful. But personally, I don't agree with a "win at all costs" or "ends justifies the means" type of attitude. Particularly when it comes to shaping the minds of impressionable 18 year old kids. Not being naive, I realize college basketball is a big business and Cal is a great businessman. It's just disappointing the NCAA enforcement is so weak they allow this type of behavior to thrive and succeed. And I also realize it's not just Cal, it's many other programs, it's just that he's the best at it.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 2, 2015 16:30:04 GMT -5
I think his point was that while they may think it's the best opportunity, it may not be. It read to me that his point was the kids copped out and took the easy road instead of accepting the bigger challenge of going to a less stacked school.. You both are right. The kids are copping out and it isn't the right decision for skill improvement. I don't think they should choose some bad school. But I feel that kids should look for a school that needs them to perform in order for that school to succeed. The only players that are currently on this UK roster that weren't expected to be back are the Twins. And the twins stock, especially Andrew's, had fallen by January.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 2, 2015 16:31:04 GMT -5
It's a fact, deferring responsibility in anything so that you don't have to challenge yourself regularly/authentically you're not gonna be as prepared as someone who is constantly pushing themselves. I mean, that's the premise behind going to UK anyway, to play against talent, but sometimes too much talent can make you complacent. Especially when you consider the distinction between the level of competition in games and the level of competition in practice. Also, you basically just compared the talent on our roster to the talent on UK Answer my question Rock.. Should Peak have chosen South Carolina? No I didn't, I compared the talent of Gtown and South Carolina.. No, because he can't hide his deficiencies at here or South Carolina, but he can do that much more easily at UK, that's the point. Less pressure. Pressure makes diamonds.
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Post by richfame on Apr 2, 2015 16:33:40 GMT -5
I was really impressed with Asia durr I think she may be the best of the bunch. On the other hand I was impressed with KLS, even though her shot was not dropping she still hand a nice stat line and her game tying 3 just rimmed out. With her pedigree and Genos coaching she may be another UCONN great.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 16:43:33 GMT -5
It read to me that his point was the kids copped out and took the easy road instead of accepting the bigger challenge of going to a less stacked school.. You both are right. The kids are copping out and it isn't the right decision for skill improvement. I don't they should choose some bad school. But I feel that kids should look for a school that needs them to perform in order for that school to succeed. The only players that are currently on this UK roster that weren't expected to be back are the Twins.Exactly right, so how can you hold this against Ullis or Booker?
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 2, 2015 17:07:44 GMT -5
Yeah. its the difference between having a good opportunity to win and having a good opportunity to really improve your game. Deferring responsibility doesn't help you develop your talent as much as challenging yourself would. I.e. You'd be doing yourself a favor in the long haul of life to be as prepared as can be In your opinion Rock.. So Peak was better off going to South Carolina instead of G'town? Tre should have gone to GW.. Ect.. This is silly to me but we can agree to disagree.. I had to add this in.. The UK kids are in a FF4 getting ready to play minutes in the most pressure packed game of their lives.. Just sayin.. Nobody is saying this Etomicb. There was real playing time to be earned by Tre at Gtown with Kel graduating. Peak is questionable because he and DSR pretty much play the same position but it's not the same as UK being 3 deep at all positions before you sign.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 2, 2015 17:11:43 GMT -5
You both are right. The kids are copping out and it isn't the right decision for skill improvement. I don't they should choose some bad school. But I feel that kids should look for a school that needs them to perform in order for that school to succeed. The only players that are currently on this UK roster that weren't expected to be back are the Twins.Exactly right, so how can you hold this against Ullis or Booker? I'm not sure when either choose UK but I'm sure both twins struggled early and the tourney run got Aaron back into the 2nd. No one expected one twin to leave the other.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 17:15:24 GMT -5
In your opinion Rock.. So Peak was better off going to South Carolina instead of G'town? Tre should have gone to GW.. Ect.. This is silly to me but we can agree to disagree.. I had to add this in.. The UK kids are in a FF4 getting ready to play minutes in the most pressure packed game of their lives.. Just sayin.. Nobody is saying this Etomicb. There was real playing time to be earned by Tre at Gtown with Kel graduating. Peak is questionable because he and DSR pretty much play the same position but it's not the same as UK being 3 deep at all positions before you sign. Yeah, but now you're changing the premise by talking PT.. Your 1st post talked of "slaying the dragon" and how kids want the easy road to wins.. Now, you're referencing playing time as the goal..
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 17:27:25 GMT -5
Exactly right, so how can you hold this against Ullis or Booker? I'm not sure when either choose UK but I'm sure both twins struggled early and the tourney run got Aaron back into the 2nd. No one expected one twin to leave the other. Ullis Committed in September of 2013 & Booker committed in October of 2013..
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 2, 2015 17:32:10 GMT -5
Answer my question Rock.. Should Peak have chosen South Carolina? No I didn't, I compared the talent of Gtown and South Carolina.. No, because he can't hide his deficiencies at here or South Carolina, but he can do that much more easily at UK, that's the point. Less pressure. Pressure makes diamonds. You changed the premise of the debate also Rock.. It started out as kid copping out by choosing the easiest program to get wins with to now talking about working on aspects of their individual games.. Let's agree to disagree as always..
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 2, 2015 17:39:36 GMT -5
No, because he can't hide his deficiencies at here or South Carolina, but he can do that much more easily at UK, that's the point. Less pressure. Pressure makes diamonds. You changed the premise of the debate also Rock.. It started out as kid copping out by choosing the easiest program to get wins with to now talking about working on aspects of their individual games.. Let's agree to disagree as always.. The root argument that your debating spoke to both points. You can't speak about the drawbacks of attending UK without talking about its biggest draw. They are easy Ws, and they are copping out because they perceive the challenge of building something at say, a Duke or a Michigan St, or a GU, to be much harder than it actually is. But if you don't think going to UK is, in some way, copping out if you're supposed to be one of the best players in the country who should want to prove that by competing against other great players, then I guess you're also a fan of Lebron's career choices with respect to how it will look on his legacy. We should probably just agree to disagree if that's the case.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 2, 2015 17:51:18 GMT -5
Nobody is saying this Etomicb. There was real playing time to be earned by Tre at Gtown with Kel graduating. Peak is questionable because he and DSR pretty much play the same position but it's not the same as UK being 3 deep at all positions before you sign. Yeah, but now you're changing the premise by talking PT.. Your 1st post talked of "slaying the dragon" and how kids want the easy road to wins.. Now, you're referencing playing time as the goal.. Etomicb you are much to rigid. I'm not gonna write a 12 pg post like some people. I'll sum up my position: In order to" slay the dragon" you need to be getting pt. If not, because UK didn't win last year, the new recruits can claim slaying the dragon. I'll give you Booker and Ullis but they could have asked out of their LOIs and I bet Cal would have allowed it. But Lyles decommitted from IU in order to join that crowded 3-5 position. Could have led his home state school to national prominence but instead took the easy route. Let's agree to disagree. I believe that only Towns will come off of that team having not stunted his skill growth much.
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Post by lucky on Apr 9, 2015 13:40:54 GMT -5
Dominos will start to fall very soon for the unsigned. 7 UK players announce for the draft, I think they only have 2 commits at this point but I may be wrong.
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