McDonalds All Star game

[drquigley]

Any Hoya recruits playing in this game tonight? ESPN.

[prhoya]

Apr 1, 2015 19:23:55 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Any Hoya recruits playing in this game tonight? ESPN.

www.mcdonaldsallamerican.com/aag/en/MediaCenter/2015-game-materials/2015-final-teams-rosters.html

9 undecided. Could we consider any of the 4 Cs + PF Rabb + PF Diallo and 1 G?

[FrazierFanatic]

Apr 1, 2015 19:44:41 GMT -5 prhoya said:

Apr 1, 2015 19:23:55 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Any Hoya recruits playing in this game tonight? ESPN.

www.mcdonaldsallamerican.com/aag/en/MediaCenter/2015-game-materials/2015-final-teams-rosters.html

9 undecided. Could we consider any of the 4 Cs + PF Rabb + PF Diallo and 1 G?

Could we consider Rabb? Really??

[professorhoya]

Apr 1, 2015 19:44:41 GMT -5 prhoya said:

Apr 1, 2015 19:23:55 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Any Hoya recruits playing in this game tonight? ESPN.

www.mcdonaldsallamerican.com/aag/en/MediaCenter/2015-game-materials/2015-final-teams-rosters.html

9 undecided. Could we consider any of the 4 Cs + PF Rabb + PF Diallo and 1 G?

Seems like an awful lot of undecideds. In past years there's usually just one or two undecideds left.

[lucky]

I suspect a few of them are waiting to see how many scholarships Kentucky has to hand out once the herd declares for the draft.

[hoyazeke]

Apr 1, 2015 21:38:53 GMT -5 lucky said:

I suspect a few of them are waiting to see how many scholarships Kentucky has to hand out once the herd declares for the draft.

Lucky if you're right that is sad. I hate that we have a generation of kids in which none of them want to "slay the dragon". I truly believe that you improve your game by going against the best in a true pressure situation. Not practice. There's no real pressure in practice. 5 stars kid don't need UK to get to the L. They just want to win as easily as possible.

[rockhoya]

Apr 2, 2015 7:58:02 GMT -5 hoyazeke said:

Apr 1, 2015 21:38:53 GMT -5 lucky said:

I suspect a few of them are waiting to see how many scholarships Kentucky has to hand out once the herd declares for the draft.

Lucky if you're right that is sad. I hate that we have a generation of kids in which none of them want to "slay the dragon". I truly believe that you improve your game by going against the best in a true pressure situation. Not practice. There's no real pressure in practice. 5 stars kid don't need UK to get to the L. They just want to win as easily as possible.

Yeah exactly. I was just thinking whether Dakari would do it all over and pick us, but telling by this generation he probably wouldn't. Challenges are apparently too unappealing. If UK shared some of its talent the overall quality of the sport would increase tremendously

[EtomicB]

Apr 2, 2015 7:58:02 GMT -5 hoyazeke said:

Apr 1, 2015 21:38:53 GMT -5 lucky said:

I suspect a few of them are waiting to see how many scholarships Kentucky has to hand out once the herd declares for the draft.

Lucky if you're right that is sad. I hate that we have a generation of kids in which none of them want to "slay the dragon". I truly believe that you improve your game by going against the best in a true pressure situation. Not practice. There's no real pressure in practice. 5 stars kid don't need UK to get to the L. They just want to win as easily as possible.

You can't fault kids for choosing the best opportunity for themselves, they may not need UK but it damn sure helps..

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Of kids last night, we were finalists for Bacon, Dozier, and we were in early on Trier until he switched schools. I hope that once our new facility is built, we are able to close on one of these type of guys a year (Copeland from last year would fit the bill) and compliment them with solid 3 & 4 star recruits. I think that is the formula for tourney success.

Wisconsin has Dekker who was a big time recruit and a bunch of guys that have developed. Kentucky, Duke (Kansas, Arizona) just get whoever they want but taking all five stars can be tough to rebuild chemistry every year and Michigan State typically gets one guy every three to four years who is a five star and then they just recruit a bunch of four year grinders. This FF MSU squad has Branden Dawson but he hasn't panned out to the extent they thought probably and last year had Gary Harris.

[Talos]

Apr 2, 2015 7:58:02 GMT -5 hoyazeke said:

Apr 1, 2015 21:38:53 GMT -5 lucky said:

I suspect a few of them are waiting to see how many scholarships Kentucky has to hand out once the herd declares for the draft.

Lucky if you're right that is sad. I hate that we have a generation of kids in which none of them want to "slay the dragon". I truly believe that you improve your game by going against the best in a true pressure situation. Not practice. There's no real pressure in practice. 5 stars kid don't need UK to get to the L. They just want to win as easily as possible.

Easy for us to see the flaws of UK and the current system.  However, it's also to see how a lot of 17 year old kids see the appeal of playing at Kentucky.  

Looking at the list of undecideds in that game, most are bigs, and I agree they're waiting to see what all the UK bigs do before deciding.  It's frustrating that UK is now in the position they can pick and choose whoever they want, and the kids will wait around for them just for the chance to play there.  But that's the reality....until the NCAA decides to do something about Cal....

[hoyazeke]

I don't blame UK or Coach Cal for taking the kids. I would happy to accept any 5* kid at Gtown. My issue is with a kid that would rather get 8 mins at UK than 20 mins at another school because it's easier to win or get exposure. Like the Young kid that went to UK last year. The kid could have stayed home at MSU and help get them to a championship. Instead he chased a Cship at UK. It really bothers me that all of the analysts try to make it honorable. "The kids all sacrificed for the betterment of the team. " I call B.S.. They want it easy. Go to a team that doesn't require me to do much other than block a shot (MLee) or hit an occasional J (Ullis/Booker) and I can get a Cship easy. Damn developing other parts of my game. Polytheses came to UK a slasher without a J and he will leave UK a slasher without a J.
And it's not a UK/ Cal hate thing because I felt the same way when Duhon went to Duke as the #1 pg the year after Duke landed the #1 pg. It stunts your personal growth as a baller.

[EtomicB]

Apr 2, 2015 11:26:19 GMT -5 hoyazeke said:

I don't blame UK or Coach Cal for taking the kids. I would happy to accept any 5* kid at Gtown. My issue is with a kid that would rather get 8 mins at UK than 20 mins at another school because it's easier to win or get exposure. Like the Young kid that went to UK last year. The kid could have stayed home at MSU and help get them to a championship. Instead he chased a Cship at UK. It really bothers me that all of the analysts try to make it honorable. "The kids all sacrificed for the betterment of the team. " I call B.S.. They want it easy. Go to a team that doesn't require me to do much other than block a shot (MLee) or hit an occasional J (Ullis/Booker) and I can get a Cship easy. Damn developing other parts of my game. Polytheses came to UK a slasher without a J and he will leave UK a slasher without a J.
And it's not a UK/ Cal hate thing because I felt the same way when Duhon went to Duke as the #1 pg the year after Duke landed the #1 pg. It stunts your personal growth as a baller.

Still don't agree though.. This is the 1st year Calipari has used this system and he didn't announce it until the season started..

Most folks expected the Harrison's to be one n dones so Ullis had no idea they're stock would drop that much and they'd be back..

Plus Ullis played more minutes per game than PW, Tre & Cope this season.. He Avg'd 24 minutes a game..

Hard for me to judge what Poythress would be in 8 games..

Again to me it's hard to fault a kid for accepting a great opportunity and wanting to win..

[757hoyafan]

Duke would've had one more McDonald's AA than Kentucky, if they never kicked that one kid off the team. Where's the backlash? I do not care what Cal is doing, I only care about Georgetown!

[Problem of Dog]

Apr 2, 2015 9:34:27 GMT -5 ColumbiaHeightsHoya said:

Of kids last night, we were finalists for Bacon, Dozier, and we were in early on Trier until he switched schools. I hope that once our new facility is built, we are able to close on one of these type of guys a year (Copeland from last year would fit the bill) and compliment them with solid 3 & 4 star recruits. I think that is the formula for tourney success.

Wisconsin has Dekker who was a big time recruit and a bunch of guys that have developed. Kentucky, Duke (Kansas, Arizona) just get whoever they want but taking all five stars can be tough to rebuild chemistry every year and Michigan State typically gets one guy every three to four years who is a five star and then they just recruit a bunch of four year grinders. This FF MSU squad has Branden Dawson but he hasn't panned out to the extent they thought probably and last year had Gary Harris.

Trier was never coming to Georgetown. Ever. He could've gone to Holy Trinity and he wouldn't have ended up at Georgetown.

A lot of the undecideds last night are considering Kentucky. Guys like Jaylen Brown don't really care who leaves UK though.

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[IDenj]

I always find it amusing when people try to poke holes in Cal and UK. They are the epitome of what every basketball program wants to be. Successful coach, winning program, blue blood history, kids making the NBA and recruits lining up to play there. I get that schooling there is easy and they are dirty as you know what, but it is a results driven business and it is BIG business.
They are a complete success.
They do what they have to win.
I know people will rip me for this saying they are glad our coach and our program do not partake in these activities. I'm not looking to lay down with the dogs. But don't fool yourself.

[Elvado]

It is all a matter of perspective. Is it college basketball or basketball college?

I hope GU is always the former even if it means watching practitioners of the latter hoisting trophies every April.

[OldHoyafan]

For me it's not a hatred of Calipari, because he is doing what he has always done; that is being a snake oil salesman to 18 year olds. What is now appalling to me is the embrace of this philosophy by the mainstream public and the leaders of the universities such as Kentucky. Even the so called living legend, only surpassed by Coach Wooden, Coach K, has embraced this attitude. Once seen as the "anti Caliperi", he is now extolled on ESPN as being innovative because he has adopted Calipar's philosophy. That bastion of education, the Harvard of the south, is now via its coach saying to young basketball recruits that ok to come to Duke as a member of an NBA developmental team rather than as a true student/ athlete working towards a degree. I know these young men who play in the McDonald's AA game want to go straight to the pros and make millions, what 18 year old wouldn't. It does not have to be sanctioned by the head coach. Heretofore, coaches have said they would sign a player to come to their university to be a student/athlete; play ball and work towards a degree, but understood if after a year or two and after consultation with his parents and coach, he decided to leave and go pro he would accept that with no hard feelings. Calipari has completely changed that scenario, he makes no such pretense that he expects the young man to be a true student/athlete, he says come here for one year for development for the NBA the next year, and he is being lauded for that philosophy by the NCAA and the sports media. So much so that they are now praising coach K for now adopting this phylosophy. It's sad that we do not have any JTII's in college basketball today who are bigger than life who could call Calipari out for what he is selling to these young men and the university he represents. It's easy to say "I did not make the rules, I am just playing by them" I thought it was ironic that the commentators for the game were two members of the FAB FIVE who epidomizes the one and done culture and the Duke grad who stayed for four years and was drafted in first round. I wonder if the Williams era Coach would agree with the Okafor era Coach K. I know that the arguments for the university paying these players something more Han a four year scholarship is out there and worthy of debate. I am not naive to that, but mainstream media and the universities should not be embracing the "snake oil salesman" philosophy of Calipari. They should at least try to appeal to a higher standard.

[rockhoya]

Apr 2, 2015 8:44:01 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Apr 2, 2015 7:58:02 GMT -5 hoyazeke said:

Lucky if you're right that is sad. I hate that we have a generation of kids in which none of them want to "slay the dragon". I truly believe that you improve your game by going against the best in a true pressure situation. Not practice. There's no real pressure in practice. 5 stars kid don't need UK to get to the L. They just want to win as easily as possible.

You can't fault kids for choosing the best opportunity for themselves, they may not need UK but it damn sure helps..

I think his point was that while they may think it's the best opportunity, it may not be.

[rockhoya]

Apr 2, 2015 11:45:55 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Apr 2, 2015 11:26:19 GMT -5 hoyazeke said:

I don't blame UK or Coach Cal for taking the kids. I would happy to accept any 5* kid at Gtown. My issue is with a kid that would rather get 8 mins at UK than 20 mins at another school because it's easier to win or get exposure. Like the Young kid that went to UK last year. The kid could have stayed home at MSU and help get them to a championship. Instead he chased a Cship at UK. It really bothers me that all of the analysts try to make it honorable. "The kids all sacrificed for the betterment of the team. " I call B.S.. They want it easy. Go to a team that doesn't require me to do much other than block a shot (MLee) or hit an occasional J (Ullis/Booker) and I can get a Cship easy. Damn developing other parts of my game. Polytheses came to UK a slasher without a J and he will leave UK a slasher without a J.
And it's not a UK/ Cal hate thing because I felt the same way when Duhon went to Duke as the #1 pg the year after Duke landed the #1 pg. It stunts your personal growth as a baller.

Still don't agree though.. This is the 1st year Calipari has used this system and he didn't announce it until the season started..

Most folks expected the Harrison's to be one n dones so Ullis had no idea they're stock would drop that much and they'd be back..

Plus Ullis played more minutes per game than PW, Tre & Cope this season.. He Avg'd 24 minutes a game..

Hard for me to judge what Poythress would be in 8 games..

Again to me it's hard to fault a kid for accepting a great opportunity and wanting to win..

Accepting a great opportunity to win*. Cal really believes winning fixes everything, well, tell that to the twins.