hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 26, 2015 22:25:27 GMT -5
Some good thoughts, CAHoya, but Trawick was most assuredly a leader for this team, IMO.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 26, 2015 22:32:02 GMT -5
My answer to the thread title is no.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 27, 2015 0:13:23 GMT -5
My answer to the thread title is no. Me too.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 27, 2015 8:37:02 GMT -5
I am not sure it was just a Georgetown problem, I think the Hoyas simply reflect a bigger issue with NCAA basketball.
This season CBB as a whole has been boring. I hope it turns around in the next week or so, but let's be honest having a team be #1 the entire season and not get challenged in a poor conference takes away a lot from the typical highs and lows of a season. Kentucky is not only dominant, but bcause of the 10 man rotation, the player remain fairly anonymous. When I watch UK I see that they are ridiculously big, the Harrison guys make shots and they are not playing a top 20 team and somehow Calipari is still yelling at everyone.
And UK reflects the bigger issue with CBB, defense is priority #1 and #2 at the expense of offense. Georgetown clearly reflected this trend with our 8 minute scoring droughts and our inability to shoot over a sagging man to man. I know the NCAA is looking into ways to boost scoring and pace, but mens college basketball is the only sport in America that has allowed its game to become more defense oriented rather than less. Part of it is constantly losing skilled players to the NBA after just one year, but the lack of cohesive play on offense make the games hard to watch and the refs do more harm than good. Rather than cleaning the game up from hand checks, holding/grabbing cutters; they are too busy calling charges, moving screens and traveling any time there is an awkward motion.
I laid out specifics in this thread earlier about the Hoyas, but in general, Georgetown simply reflected the overall issues with game today - lack of offense, top-end talent that is too young, foul rate that is way too high. Makes for some underwhelming performances and it is not all on Georgetown to fix it.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 27, 2015 8:42:33 GMT -5
I am not sure it was just a Georgetown problem, I think the Hoyas simply reflect a bigger issue with NCAA basketball. This season CBB as a whole has been boring. I hope it turns around in the next week or so, but let's be honest having a team be #1 the entire season and not get challenged in a poor conference takes away a lot from the typical highs and lows of a season. Kentucky is not only dominant, but bcause of the 10 man rotation, the player remain fairly anonymous. When I watch UK I see that they are ridiculously big, the Harrison guys make shots and they are not playing a top 20 team and somehow Calipari is still yelling at everyone. And UK reflects the bigger issue with CBB, defense is priority #1 and #2 at the expense of offense. Georgetown clearly reflected this trend with our 8 minute scoring droughts and our inability to shoot over a sagging man to man. I know the NCAA is looking into ways to boost scoring and pace, but mens college basketball is the only sport in America that has allowed its game to become more defense oriented rather than less. Part of it is constantly losing skilled players to the NBA after just one year, but the lack of cohesive play on offense make the games hard to watch and the refs do more harm than good. Rather than cleaning the game up from hand checks, holding/grabbing cutters; they are too busy calling charges, moving screens and traveling any time there is an awkward motion. I laid out specifics in this thread earlier about the Hoyas, but in general, Georgetown simply reflected the overall issues with game today - lack of offense, top-end talent that is too young, foul rate that is way too high. Makes for some underwhelming performances and it is not all on Georgetown to fix it. I agree with this 100%. The NCAA's failure to address the fact that many of the "good" defenses are predicated on holding cutters in the paint can not be overstated. Until they address that, I think college basketball has a real problem.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 27, 2015 8:55:17 GMT -5
I am not sure it was just a Georgetown problem, I think the Hoyas simply reflect a bigger issue with NCAA basketball. This season CBB as a whole has been boring. I hope it turns around in the next week or so, but let's be honest having a team be #1 the entire season and not get challenged in a poor conference takes away a lot from the typical highs and lows of a season. Kentucky is not only dominant, but bcause of the 10 man rotation, the player remain fairly anonymous. When I watch UK I see that they are ridiculously big, the Harrison guys make shots and they are not playing a top 20 team and somehow Calipari is still yelling at everyone. And UK reflects the bigger issue with CBB, defense is priority #1 and #2 at the expense of offense. Georgetown clearly reflected this trend with our 8 minute scoring droughts and our inability to shoot over a sagging man to man. I know the NCAA is looking into ways to boost scoring and pace, but mens college basketball is the only sport in America that has allowed its game to become more defense oriented rather than less. Part of it is constantly losing skilled players to the NBA after just one year, but the lack of cohesive play on offense make the games hard to watch and the refs do more harm than good. Rather than cleaning the game up from hand checks, holding/grabbing cutters; they are too busy calling charges, moving screens and traveling any time there is an awkward motion. I laid out specifics in this thread earlier about the Hoyas, but in general, Georgetown simply reflected the overall issues with game today - lack of offense, top-end talent that is too young, foul rate that is way too high. Makes for some underwhelming performances and it is not all on Georgetown to fix it. I agree with this 100%. The NCAA's failure to address the fact that many of the "good" defenses are predicated on holding cutters in the paint can not be overstated. Until they address that, I think college basketball has a real problem. Yup. Not to mention that one of the most effective ways to guard a big guy in the post is to fall down at the first hint of his move.
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 27, 2015 9:30:46 GMT -5
Well, my season kicked off Thanksgiving Eve, in my kitchen, making ginger carrot bisque and prepping brussels for the big day, listening to GTown's last second victory over Florida, letting Chvotkin's "Hoya Wins" wash over me like cool spring water on a hot Summer day. Ike's big shot against Butler, DSR's block to seal the win. Smoking 'Nova, Butler on the road. "I Can't Breathe", Tyler Adams. Kareem Abdul Stainbrook. Hayes leading us out of our NCAA wilderness, a gutty performance with L.J. breaking out of his maximum security Freshman prison. Jabril Trawick taking chest bumps to a whole new level.
I thought it was a fine season, lots of fun, and leaves me plenty optimistic, and really excited, to see what next year's crew of talented Frosh and Sophs, a superstar and, finally, a 7 Footer, might be able to do. Bored? No.
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 27, 2015 9:52:40 GMT -5
"Boring" is relative -- Esh's last year drew a lot of interest but for the wrong reasons.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 27, 2015 11:27:14 GMT -5
Well, my season kicked off Thanksgiving Eve, in my kitchen, making ginger carrot bisque and prepping brussels for the big day, listening to GTown's last second victory over Florida, letting Chvotkin's "Hoya Wins" wash over me like cool spring water on a hot Summer day. Ike's big shot against Butler, DSR's block to seal the win. Smoking 'Nova, Butler on the road. "I Can't Breathe", Tyler Adams. Kareem Abdul Stainbrook. Hayes leading us out of our NCAA wilderness, a gutty performance with L.J. breaking out of his maximum security Freshman prison. Jabril Trawick taking chest bumps to a whole new level. I thought it was a fine season, lots of fun, and leaves me plenty optimistic, and really excited, to see what next year's crew of talented Frosh and Sophs, a superstar and, finally, a 7 Footer, might be able to do. Bored? No. Good call on the brussels. Under appreciated vegetable to serve on Thanksgiving. How was the Carrot Ginger bisque?
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 27, 2015 11:32:16 GMT -5
"Boring" is relative -- Esh's last year drew a lot of interest but for the wrong reasons. Of course its relative. I suppose on the spot I agree with DanMcQ and others--a Hoyas season is ultimately never boring. And it was certainly more interesting than last year. But from an excitement standpoint, the only JTIII season in the "old" BE that I would rate below this one would be 2009. Here's the overall "boring" rankings since I set foot on campus, in reverse order of "boringness": 1. 2007 2. 2006 3. 2008 4. 2013 5. 2010 6. 2001 7. 2002 (just a crazy, if disappointing, year) 8. 2011 9. 2012 (not counting the China brawl) 10.2015 11.2005 (good things started happening) 12.2009 13.2014 14.2000 (the NIT win over Virginia felt like a monumental achievement at the time) 15.2003 (things fall apart) 16.2004 (speculation about the end) 17.1999 (completely forgettable except for JT's resignation) 18.1998 (just the worst--the only thing I remember is shaking Marion Barry's hand at the MCI Center opening)
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Post by thebin on Mar 27, 2015 11:39:36 GMT -5
Yes. It was a boring season.
I also constantly felt that we were getting more respect than we actually deserved. Never felt like we were in danger of winning two tough games in a row or even three lousy games in a row.
We lost a good number of games and I was never really surprised to lose any of them. That's not a good sign.
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 27, 2015 12:34:26 GMT -5
Well, my season kicked off Thanksgiving Eve, in my kitchen, making ginger carrot bisque and prepping brussels for the big day, listening to GTown's last second victory over Florida, letting Chvotkin's "Hoya Wins" wash over me like cool spring water on a hot Summer day. Ike's big shot against Butler, DSR's block to seal the win. Smoking 'Nova, Butler on the road. "I Can't Breathe", Tyler Adams. Kareem Abdul Stainbrook. Hayes leading us out of our NCAA wilderness, a gutty performance with L.J. breaking out of his maximum security Freshman prison. Jabril Trawick taking chest bumps to a whole new level. I thought it was a fine season, lots of fun, and leaves me plenty optimistic, and really excited, to see what next year's crew of talented Frosh and Sophs, a superstar and, finally, a 7 Footer, might be able to do. Bored? No. Good call on the brussels. Under appreciated vegetable to serve on Thanksgiving. How was the Carrot Ginger bisque? It was spicy and delicious, my lady made some gougeres to serve with the bisque, yum. That and a cheese course helped mitigate the lateness of the dinner....
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 27, 2015 12:38:20 GMT -5
Yes. It was a boring season. I also constantly felt that we were getting more respect than we actually deserved. Never felt like we were in danger of winning two tough games in a row or even three lousy games in a row. We lost a good number of games and I was never really surprised to lose any of them. That's not a good sign. I felt like we were a serious threat to get all of our talents working at the same time. That, with the size and athletic depth we had, hey, who knows. The win at Butler was a tease, in retrospect, though the start of the Utah game had me thinking Final Four. I was just always too hopeful of the high ceiling to be bored.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 28, 2015 8:30:47 GMT -5
I thought "I'm bored" was only spoken by teenagers. Guess I was right. Ok, I'll get off your lawn.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 28, 2015 13:30:58 GMT -5
I thought "I'm bored" was only spoken by teenagers. Guess I was right. Ok, I'll get off your lawn. Guess the glove fit.
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