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Post by blueandgray on Mar 4, 2015 16:07:27 GMT -5
amongst all time Hoyas in the modern era (Pops to present)?
I know its a broad question, highly subjective likely premature, but he arrived with few expectations and since the day he stepped on campus has been a big time player and getting better. Further, his transformation from off guard to running the point has been remarkable to watch....I for one was very concerned about it heading into the season....now, I love him running the point. Have to think he's approaching top 15 territory.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 4, 2015 16:17:50 GMT -5
Only thing holding him back from top 15-20 status is team success. He hasn't really had it yet, although he was the sixth man on the Otto team. This team could make a run to the sweet 16 if things break right. I think next years team has potential to be top-10 and great. If he has a Reggie Williams type senior season, he could go down as an all-time great when it's said and done
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2015 16:24:41 GMT -5
He's the best guard the Hoyas have had since Allen Iverson. I'd put him behind only Jeff, Roy and Otto in the JT3 era, although it's really hard to do this in season, as what they do in the BET / NCAA will make a big difference (i.e. it's a lot easier to put him ahead of Greg Monroe if they make a Sweet 16 or win the BET this year).
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 4, 2015 16:27:45 GMT -5
He's the best guard the Hoyas have had since Allen Iverson. I'd put him behind only Jeff, Roy and Otto in the JT3 era, although it's really hard to do this in season, as what they do in the BET / NCAA will make a big difference (i.e. it's a lot easier to put him ahead of Greg Monroe if they make a Sweet 16 or win the BET this year). b-b-b-b-but balla calls him "Buttercup"...and Balla knew in advance that Roscoe Smith was coming to Georgetown. That has to count for something, right? Right guys?
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Post by prhoya on Mar 4, 2015 16:37:13 GMT -5
He's the best guard the Hoyas have had since Allen Iverson. I'd put him behind only Jeff, Roy and Otto in the JT3 era, although it's really hard to do this in season, as what they do in the BET / NCAA will make a big difference (i.e. it's a lot easier to put him ahead of Greg Monroe if they make a Sweet 16 or win the BET this year). b-b-b-b-but balla calls him "Buttercup"...and Balla knew in advance that Roscoe Smith was coming to Georgetown. That has to count for something, right? Right guys? hoyarooter, does balla like the new hair color?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 4, 2015 16:40:36 GMT -5
There is a lot more of his story to write, but he has been excellent. Easily top thirty in modern area, but quite possibly top twenty.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 4, 2015 16:55:34 GMT -5
So better than Austin Freeman?
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Post by drquigley on Mar 4, 2015 17:01:30 GMT -5
I love DSR but he's no Austin Freeman. When DSR puts up 26 points in one half I will reconsider. If Freeman had stayed healthy he would have been one of our all time greatest.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 4, 2015 17:03:41 GMT -5
b-b-b-b-but balla calls him "Buttercup"...and Balla knew in advance that Roscoe Smith was coming to Georgetown. That has to count for something, right? Right guys? hoyarooter, does balla like the new hair color? My program?
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Mar 4, 2015 17:18:20 GMT -5
So better than Austin Freeman? Did Austin rebound like DSR?
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Post by prhoya on Mar 4, 2015 17:20:32 GMT -5
hoyarooter, does balla like the new hair color? My program? Poor kid continues to be delusional. He'll have a meltdown next year. If only he could erase DSR like his posts re: Roscoe!
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2015 17:22:46 GMT -5
I love DSR but he's no Austin Freeman. When DSR puts up 26 points in one half I will reconsider. If Freeman had stayed healthy he would have been one of our all time greatest. I think I'd take DSR. Their offensive games are comparable, but DSR is a much better rebounder, a better passer and a better defender. He's also unquestionably the best player / lead guard / team leader on this year's team, which are roles Austin never held (those titles generally went to Chris Wright or Greg Monroe). Additionally, I think you have to take Austin's career for what actually happened, not what should have happened. Of course, this will be an easier argument to make / better discussion to have if we knew how DSR's junior season ended.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 4, 2015 17:23:55 GMT -5
He really needs some hardware. He has 2 more post-seasons and one more full season. Lets wait to judge him all time until hes done.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 4, 2015 17:33:29 GMT -5
I love DSR but he's no Austin Freeman. When DSR puts up 26 points in one half I will reconsider. If Freeman had stayed healthy he would have been one of our all time greatest. I think I'd take DSR. Their offensive games are comparable, but DSR is a much better rebounder, a better passer and a better defender. He's also unquestionably the best player / lead guard / team leader on this year's team, which Austin never was (those titles generally went to Chris Wright or Greg Monroe). Additionally, I think you have to take Austin's career for what actually happened, not what should have happened. Of course, this will be an easier argument to make / better discussion to have if we knew how DSR's junior season ended. Somewhat similar, but Freeman's junior year he went 59/133 (44.4%) from 3, 142/250 (56.8%) from 2, and 83/97 (85.6%) from the line for a 60.2% eFG and 63.4% TS. DSR (and almost every other high major guard) isn't getting anywhere close to those numbers on shooting efficiency. But DSR is a better passer, gets to the line more often, and is a much better defender and rebounder. Given that DSR's O Rating is 2 points better than Freeman's junior year (his best season) and the defense isn't even really close, I give the nod to DSR, even if Freeman's single-game peak is way higher than DSR's. This is no doubt influenced by the fact that I know Freeman's junior season ends with Armon Bassett running circles around him, but I think it's DSR over Freeman.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2015 17:38:00 GMT -5
Austin career numbers:
13.7 ppg, 49.8% FG, 38.0% 3FG, 3.6 RPG, 2.1 APG, 0.8 SPG
DSR's career numbers:
14.1 ppg, 42.5% FG, 37.9% 3FG, 4.1 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.2 SPG
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 4, 2015 17:41:44 GMT -5
I think I'd take DSR. Their offensive games are comparable, but DSR is a much better rebounder, a better passer and a better defender. He's also unquestionably the best player / lead guard / team leader on this year's team, which Austin never was (those titles generally went to Chris Wright or Greg Monroe). Additionally, I think you have to take Austin's career for what actually happened, not what should have happened. Of course, this will be an easier argument to make / better discussion to have if we knew how DSR's junior season ended. Somewhat similar, but Freeman's junior year he went 59/133 (44.4%) from 3, 142/250 (56.8%) from 2, and 83/97 (85.6%) from the line for a 60.2% eFG and 63.4% TS. DSR (and almost every other high major guard) isn't getting anywhere close to those numbers on shooting efficiency. But DSR is a better passer, gets to the line more often, and is a much better defender and rebounder. Given that DSR's O Rating is 2 points better than Freeman's junior year (his best season) and the defense isn't even really close, I give the nod to DSR, even if Freeman's single-game peak is way higher than DSR's. This is no doubt influenced by the fact that I know Freeman's junior season ends with Armon Bassett running circles around him, but I think it's DSR over Freeman. I'll agree that Freeman was a better scorer, but DSR's close enough that his superiority in the other aspects of the game gives him the nod over Freeman. Both guys have won us games by going off as scorers, but I don't remember Austin ever making plays like the two defensive plays DSR's made this year to seal the wins against Butler. (obviously, memory can be untrustworthy, so please correct me if I'm forgetting Austin's comparable plays).
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 4, 2015 17:48:57 GMT -5
I love DSR but he's no Austin Freeman. When DSR puts up 26 points in one half I will reconsider. If Freeman had stayed healthy he would have been one of our all time greatest. He had 24 in the second half/OT against Indiana a mere 2+months ago, that's pretty damn close.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 4, 2015 17:58:55 GMT -5
I think I'd take DSR. Their offensive games are comparable, but DSR is a much better rebounder, a better passer and a better defender. He's also unquestionably the best player / lead guard / team leader on this year's team, which Austin never was (those titles generally went to Chris Wright or Greg Monroe). Additionally, I think you have to take Austin's career for what actually happened, not what should have happened. Of course, this will be an easier argument to make / better discussion to have if we knew how DSR's junior season ended. Somewhat similar, but Freeman's junior year he went 59/133 (44.4%) from 3, 142/250 (56.8%) from 2, and 83/97 (85.6%) from the line for a 60.2% eFG and 63.4% TS. DSR (and almost every other high major guard) isn't getting anywhere close to those numbers on shooting efficiency. But DSR is a better passer, gets to the line more often, and is a much better defender and rebounder. Given that DSR's O Rating is 2 points better than Freeman's junior year (his best season) and the defense isn't even really close, I give the nod to DSR, even if Freeman's single-game peak is way higher than DSR's. This is no doubt influenced by the fact that I know Freeman's junior season ends with Armon Bassett running circles around him, but I think it's DSR over Freeman. Freeman vs. Uconn - 33 pts (28 2nd half), 12-20 FG (5-9), 4-4 FT, 7 Rebs, 2 Assts, 3 Steals, 3 TOs DSR vs. Indiana this year - 29 pts (24 2nd half/OT), 9-18 FG (5-7), 6-9 FT, 2 Rebs, 4 Assts, 4 Steals, 0 TOs Freeman's line may get the nod here, but not by more than a hair. The fact that DSR was playing point and managed to go 4-0 Assist-TO is very impressive. Also, is this even DSR's best game? I feel like he has many other lines that may be as good if not better, but this one came to mind because it was recent and he did almost all his damage after halftime.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 4, 2015 18:07:16 GMT -5
DSR is our best offensive and defensive player on a tournament-bound Hoya team.
Has another guard ever been the best offensive and defensive player on any team in the JTIII era? Since AI even?
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