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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 11:33:02 GMT -5
Well, Northwestern beat Brown by 13, and Brown beat Providence by 10, so doesn't that mean that Northwestern is 23 points better than Providence? And Providence beat us twice, so Northwestern must be at least 25 points better than the Hoyas. Right?
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Post by tashoya on Feb 26, 2015 11:36:51 GMT -5
Well, Northwestern beat Brown by 13, and Brown beat Providence by 10, so doesn't that mean that Northwestern is 23 points better than Providence? And Providence beat us twice, so Northwestern must be at least 25 points better than the Hoyas. Right? A certain poster that likes to sign his name would be proud.
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Post by seaweed on Feb 26, 2015 11:56:03 GMT -5
Well, Northwestern beat Brown by 13, and Brown beat Providence by 10, so doesn't that mean that Northwestern is 23 points better than Providence? And Providence beat us twice, so Northwestern must be at least 25 points better than the Hoyas. Right? 46 I think - they beat us twice, 2 X 23 = 46. Common core math man!
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 26, 2015 13:13:49 GMT -5
Carmody had better teams and it was often a piece of bad luck that kept them from getting over the hump -- one year their best returning player decided to quit basketball. Not transfer, but quit. It'd be like if DSR decided he wanted to focus exclusively on classes next year. Collins has shown he's not a miracle worker or even better than Carmody on doing more with less. But in his defense a bit, they are a very young team with not a ton of talent. The freshman class doesn't look awful and I think he has some recruits coming in. Using RPI to judge opponents is pretty useless when there are better metrics. Iowa's ranked 27 in Pomeroy; Indiana 46 and Minnesota 60. This is a nice little win streak for them. Northwestern is still ranked 99th, though. Solid analysis here, SF. I do disagree with the "very young" comment, however. 4 of NW's top 6 scorers are Bill Carmody recruits that have been on campus for at least 3 years (Demps, Olah, Cobb, and Lumpkin). While he's brought in some decent (though mostly raw) wings, plus freshman guard McIntosh who is very good, Collins' big man recruiting has been horrible. I'll admit to being a bit sensitive on the NW issue as I live in Big Ten country, watch a bunch of games and keep hearing how Collins is doing such a great job. Carmody wasn't very well-liked by the media, but he actually had a decent amount of success for Northwestern, and I don't see the young players currently on the team plus Collins' incoming recruits as being good enough to take NW to another level. And to this point, what little success Northwestern has had under Collins has happened in large part due to players Carmody left him. All a long winded way of saying Indiana losing to Northwestern last night was, in fact, a terrible loss that shouldn't have happened based on IU's talent level and how the Hoosiers have played much of the season.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 26, 2015 15:39:04 GMT -5
Northwestern is 311th in terms of years of experience, weighted by minutes. Yes, they have a decent group of juniors and seniors, but it's really only 2 juniors and one senior. There's a ton of freshman minutes.
Yes, it's a bad loss and I'm not impressed by Collins. But none of K's proteges are great coaches.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 26, 2015 16:00:17 GMT -5
Northwestern is 311th in terms of years of experience, weighted by minutes. Yes, they have a decent group of juniors and seniors, but it's really only 2 juniors and one senior. There's a ton of freshman minutes. Yes, it's a bad loss and I'm not impressed by Collins. But none of K's proteges are great coaches. It's not easy to school kids in the nuances of the floor-slapping game. Don't get me started on the art of the flop.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 26, 2015 17:18:41 GMT -5
Northwestern is 311th in terms of years of experience, weighted by minutes. Yes, they have a decent group of juniors and seniors, but it's really only 2 juniors and one senior. There's a ton of freshman minutes. Yes, it's a bad loss and I'm not impressed by Collins. But none of K's proteges are great coaches. Are you making a value judgment already on Wojo, or are you simply ignoring him because he hasn't been around long enough? Either way, I'm curious of your impression so far. I can't fathom a Buzz Williams team ever finishing in 10th place in this conference, but then again it was the deal with the devil that Buzz that got them into this no-depth hole that they're in now.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 17:58:35 GMT -5
Awfully early to pass judgment on Wojo one way or the other. The loss of Carlino cost them, but that only goes so far to explain why MU is in tenth place and not ninth.
Let's see what happens once a few years of Wojo's recruits make their way onto campus in Milwaukee. Until then, he is saddled with the dreck left over from Buzz, and it isn't fair to judge him on that basis.
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Post by wrestlemania on Feb 26, 2015 19:12:55 GMT -5
Awfully early to pass judgment on Wojo one way or the other. The loss of Carlino cost them, but that only goes so far to explain why MU is in tenth place and not ninth. Let's see what happens once a few years of Wojo's recruits make their way onto campus in Milwaukee. Until then, he is saddled with the dreck left over from Buzz, and it isn't fair to judge him on that basis. Wojo hasn't done a bad job with what he has there -- they play hard for him. No one has been able to make it work at Northwestern. But they've been very competitive this year against superior opponents. Collins eventually will make them better but will be out of there once he does. I have to wonder if Crean's stay of execution will expire if IU doesn't turn it around. Likewise McCaffery at Iowa.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 19:25:18 GMT -5
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IN THE FIRST HALF Liberty* 17, Radford 6 (10:51 to play) Long Island-Brooklyn* 16, St. Francis (New York) 10 (11:44) Robert Morris* 23, Wagner 12 (10:48)
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 19:49:40 GMT -5
*- home team
IN THE FIRST HALF Liberty* 30, Radford 25 (1:55 to play) St. Francis (New York) 25, Long Island-Brooklyn* 24 (3:46) Robert Morris* 44, Wagner 29 (0:30)
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 20:17:40 GMT -5
*- home team
IN THE SECOND HALF Radford 43, Liberty* 41 (15:28 to play) Long Island-Brooklyn* 32, St. Francis (New York) 29 (19:13) Robert Morris* 58, Wagner 34 (14:46)
IN THE FIRST HALF North Texas* 14, North Carolina Charlotte 7 (14:56)
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 20:46:55 GMT -5
*- home team
IN THE SECOND HALF Liberty* 63, Radford 62 (5:04 to play) Long Island-Brooklyn* 47, St. Francis (New York) 42 (7:56) Robert Morris* 85, Wagner 52 (4:15)
IN THE FIRST HALF North Texas* 34, North Carolina Charlotte 24 (2:14)
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 21:18:37 GMT -5
*- home team
FINAL SCORES Liberty* 80, Radford 69 Robert Morris* 91, Wagner 59
IN THE SECOND HALF Long Island-Brooklyn* 58, St. Francis (New York) 55 (0:41 to play) North Texas* 49, North Carolina Charlotte 34 (14:24)
IN THE FIRST HALF #7 Arizona 8, Colorado* 4 (15:40) #21 Southern Methodist 5, Memphis* 5 (15:46)
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 21:44:45 GMT -5
*- home team
FINAL SCORES Liberty* 80, Radford 69 Robert Morris* 91, Wagner 59
IN OVERTIME St. Francis (New York) 71, Long Island-Brooklyn* 69 (0:29 to play)
IN THE SECOND HALF North Texas* 68, North Carolina Charlotte 51 (4:18)
IN THE FIRST HALF #7 Arizona 31, Colorado* 20 (4:24) #21 Southern Methodist 22, Memphis* 22 (3:55)
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 22:04:58 GMT -5
*- home team
FINAL SCORES Liberty* 80, Radford 69 Robert Morris* 91, Wagner 59 St. Francis (New York) 74, Long Island-Brooklyn* 69; overtime North Texas* 81, North Carolina Charlotte 65
AT HALFTIME #7 Arizona 37, Colorado* 25 #21 Southern Methodist 30, Memphis* 28
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 26, 2015 22:23:17 GMT -5
Northwestern is 311th in terms of years of experience, weighted by minutes. Yes, they have a decent group of juniors and seniors, but it's really only 2 juniors and one senior. There's a ton of freshman minutes. Yes, it's a bad loss and I'm not impressed by Collins. But none of K's proteges are great coaches. Are you making a value judgment already on Wojo, or are you simply ignoring him because he hasn't been around long enough? Either way, I'm curious of your impression so far. I can't fathom a Buzz Williams team ever finishing in 10th place in this conference, but then again it was the deal with the devil that Buzz that got them into this no-depth hole that they're in now. Forgot him. I don't think he's awful -- but he has the talent coming in next year to make his team pretty decent. If they are terrible again next year, it's going to be tough.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 22:29:58 GMT -5
*- home team
FINAL SCORES Liberty* 80, Radford 69 Robert Morris* 91, Wagner 59 St. Francis (New York) 74, Long Island-Brooklyn* 69; overtime North Texas* 81, North Carolina Charlotte 65
IN THE SECOND HALF #7 Arizona 53, Colorado* 34 (11:15 to play) #21 Southern Methodist 41, Memphis* 34 (15:24)
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 23:01:23 GMT -5
*- home team
FINAL SCORES Liberty* 80, Radford 69 Robert Morris* 91, Wagner 59 St. Francis (New York) 74, Long Island-Brooklyn* 69; overtime North Texas* 81, North Carolina Charlotte 65
IN THE SECOND HALF #7 Arizona 76, Colorado* 54 (1:32 to play) #21 Southern Methodist 63, Memphis* 52 (2:23)
IN THE FIRST HALF #13 Utah* 15, Arizona State 7 (9:31)
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 26, 2015 23:25:23 GMT -5
*- home team
FINAL SCORES Liberty* 80, Radford 69 Robert Morris* 91, Wagner 59 St. Francis (New York) 74, Long Island-Brooklyn* 69; overtime North Texas* 81, North Carolina Charlotte 65 #7 Arizona 82, Colorado* 54 #21 Southern Methodist 66, Memphis* 57
AT HALFTIME #13 Utah* 41, Arizona State 9
IN THE FIRST HALF #3 Gonzaga* 5, San Diego 5 (15:49 to play)
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