richfame
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Post by richfame on Mar 8, 2015 11:55:48 GMT -5
I'm shocked with some of the Debbie downer posts. We are fans of a 20 plus win team that has many positives going for it.
I'd hate to love a team and think there going to lose during our biggest moment of the season.
Can't we hold the negativity, unless we flame out that is ha.
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swhoya
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Post by swhoya on Mar 8, 2015 13:09:39 GMT -5
I'm shocked with some of the Debbie downer posts. We are fans of a 20 plus win team that has many positives going for it. I'd hate to love a team and think there going to lose during our biggest moment of the season. Can't we hold the negativity, unless we flame out that is ha. You have 2500+ posts and you're still shocked by the negativity on this board?!?!
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hoya95
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 8, 2015 13:22:46 GMT -5
Lunardi and the other bracket people love to mention that they got 66 or 67 of the 68 teams correct in the end. But they never tout their success as to the actual seeding. Once you get past the obvious top spots, the seeding can get pretty arbitrary. If you go back and check against the last bracketology before the final announcement, the seed lines are often pretty far off. I'd think anything from a 4 to about a 7 seed is in play, but it all depends on what this committee values this year. And there's no way of knowing until they announce it.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 8, 2015 14:00:11 GMT -5
I think 6 minus BET wins is our seeding equation. That's a good way to put it. I agree.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Mar 8, 2015 14:02:13 GMT -5
I'm shocked with some of the Debbie downer posts. We are fans of a 20 plus win team that has many positives going for it. I'd hate to love a team and think there going to lose during our biggest moment of the season. Can't we hold the negativity, unless we flame out that is ha. You have 2500+ posts and you're still shocked by the negativity on this board?!?! I get why someone can be down on the coach or a player as we live and die from game to game. I also get how the negativity can go a bit to far but this team has showed me something. Look at how we beat a decent SH team without our best player. We could have folded but didn't. It's the negativity of people saying chit like we're not going to win 2 tourney games cause of our coach, the name on the front of our jerseys or something equally absurd is killing me.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 8, 2015 14:39:49 GMT -5
Unless we somehow wind up with a 4 seed, we aren't going to be expected, much less favored, to win two NCAA tournament games. And any time you are a 5 or 6 you are going to face a team very capable of winning. These things are true regardless of past tournament outcomes, which have absolutely no bearing on what will happen this season. So it isn't "negative" to not believe the Sweet Sixteen is going to happen. This team is certainly capable of winning two NCAA games. They are probably less likely to do that than some other recent teams that were much better equipped to do so and yet still failed.
But for now, all of this discussion is pointless. The bracket isn't out yet. Let's enjoy each game as it comes, because there may not be many more before the Hoyas are done for the season.
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Post by gutuna on Mar 8, 2015 14:42:50 GMT -5
You have 2500+ posts and you're still shocked by the negativity on this board?!?! It's the negativity of people saying chit like we're not going to win 2 tourney games cause of our coach, the name on the front of our jerseys or something equally absurd is killing me. I disagree. I do not think we are going to win two tourney games because I have hardly seen this exact team, not past teams, put together more than one or two solid halves of basketball in a row. Not history. Not JTIII's timeout strategy. I am pessimistic seeing an up and down team that can not limit turnovers, make free throws, or deny penetration by opposing guards with any consistency.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 8, 2015 14:52:44 GMT -5
I'm bullish on this team solely because we have different ways to score other than jump shots. Maybe this is just me and someone on here will actually quote statistics to prove me wrong, but I've felt like that's been a big problem come tourney time...we have been a bit one dimensional and if we weren't hitting we become easy to guard.
It's obviously hard to not feel wary going in based on our results of the past, (I will be a nervous wreck the next few weeks) but hope springs eternal! It's our turn for a little fortune. Why not us??
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 8, 2015 15:49:01 GMT -5
This team is not the same as the others from the past. Technically we've lost two games that were complete upsets (Davidson & Ohio) and two games that were upsets only because of seeding (VCU & FGCU). Duke has lost just as many but you don't hear them whining about possible early exits. But the real test is that this years team hasn't lost a game that they should never lose. There is no ODU or Depaul loss on the schedule. As long as DSR plays, I'm confident we will beat the teams we are supposed to beat.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 8, 2015 15:50:31 GMT -5
I don't know that it means much but apparently J3 is bullish on this team as well. Speaking of Jabril's last game JTIII said,"I'm going to miss him, a lot. Now hopefully we have 10 or so more games together but it is Senior Night, they all were emotional he just showed his differently." I have never read a report of JTIII saying something this optimistic after a senior day game!
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 8, 2015 16:40:08 GMT -5
This team is not the same as the others from the past. Technically we've lost two games that were complete upsets (Davidson & Ohio) and two games that were upsets only because of seeding (VCU & FGCU). Duke has lost just as many but you don't hear them whining about possible early exits. But the real test is that this years team hasn't lost a game that they should never lose. There is no ODU or Depaul loss on the schedule. As long as DSR plays, I'm confident we will beat the teams we are supposed to beat. I agree with your sentiments generally, but if it is true that Duke fans are nor whining about early exits that may have something to do with what they have done in the years they did not suffer early exits. Slightly different than our history.
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 8, 2015 19:16:20 GMT -5
Josh Smith had 1 foul yesterday. Regardless of seeding, that is the formula for us making a run.
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Post by blueeagle on Mar 8, 2015 21:10:21 GMT -5
Want to remain positive with the upcoming tournaments. The last time we had a deep run in the BET was when we lost to WVU. D' Butler did us in. We then went on to lay an egg against Ohio at the big dance. That was probably the most perplexing of our recent early exits from the tourney given our personnel and our BET near success. Not sure we have really made any noise at MSG since then.
If we do well next week, I may feel more confident going into the tourney. Despite our inconsistent outside shooting, this year's team seems the best equipped and most balanced in years. We have a credible shooter in DSR and an undeniable inside presence in Smith. As others have already pointed out, we can play fast, slow, and physical. We have a legitimate bench. We should be well rested. We need a consistent third scoring option though if we are going to beat a good team. Is it going to be Ike, Jabril, LJ, Tre? Someone has to be our Deandre Daniels. How are the zebras going to call our games? Can we play from behind if we face a hot shooting squad?
Lots of factors not yet known to really allow a credible discussion about the NCAA tournament. Regardless, I already made a decision to be far away when the tourney starts. This used to be one of my favorite times of the year. But our NCAA woes have taken its toll. I really think we got half of a monkey off our backs when we won against Belmont. FGCU though was devastating. I had the tv on in the next room as I lay on my daughter's bed in disbelief. And that was in the first half. I just couldn't go through watching our guys lose in such a fashion. There was almost a sense of submission to an inevitable tragic fate. Not this again.
Perhaps things will be different. I hope the coaches and our players do not have the same unresolved angst that I feel. I will be wishing them well half way around the world.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 8, 2015 21:19:56 GMT -5
We must have the most PTSD fan base in all of sports. Sheesh. (And like I said earlier, sadly I get it). Need to get this monkey off our back.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Mar 9, 2015 6:48:48 GMT -5
Josh Smith had 1 foul yesterday. Regardless of seeding, that is the formula for us making a run. Those ref's were the best. I doubt we will get refs like those in the tourney. They really let the guys play without letting the game get out of hand. I saw at least two more fouls a normal reffing Crew could have gave smith.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 9, 2015 7:09:42 GMT -5
Agreed about the refs on Saturday. They also allowed SHU to lean all over Campbell for most of the afternoon, although they got it right at the end. In the NCAAs, we should expect more of the fouls they called on Bowen versus Butler. ACC referees who make Jay Bilas happy.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 9, 2015 8:37:00 GMT -5
The basketball gods still owe us for Steph Curry. You know, that guy who is the best player in the NBA right now, who played on a #$%%^ 10 SEED.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 9, 2015 8:39:33 GMT -5
With each new opportunity in the NCAAs comes renewed optimism. However, I think this year I feel better versus others. I never saw the FGCU debacle coming, however, I kind of knew that team was overachieving. It was just too hard for that team to score and Otto was relied on too heavily. Never thought we would lose in the 1st round, but never felt confident we could live up to the #2 seed.
This year is different. The SHU game is a great example. Without DSR, the team still played pretty decent basketball, withstood a solid run by SHU and brought home the game. I also think Josh Smith gives us a huge steadying influence on offense that we have not had in a while. Anytime you need a bucket and it does not have to be a jumpshot, that is a good thing. The obvious concern is foul trouble for Josh. He needs to be smart, no dumb fouls, he will get plenty of whistles without being lazy or taking unneeded risks.
Being a 6 seed will also take some pressure off. I think we will do better when expectations are lower and we can be a true darkhorse. I also think that fits this team's personality better.
I am excited to see where we wind up, regardless of how this all works out, I would not trade it for missing the NCAAs like last year. This should be the fun part.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 9, 2015 9:08:22 GMT -5
The basketball gods still owe us for Steph Curry. You know, that guy who is the best player in the NBA right now, who played on a #$%%^ 10 SEED. In his home state. Don't forget that.
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Post by ksf42001 on Mar 9, 2015 10:23:45 GMT -5
The basketball gods still owe us for Steph Curry. You know, that guy who is the best player in the NBA right now, who played on a #$%%^ 10 SEED. In his home state. Don't forget that. I remember an article online a year or two ago that analyzed the most underseeded and overseeded teams in the past. Davidson was one of those wildly underseeded teams, should have been 4 or 5 spots higher if i remember correctly. Still should have won of course...
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