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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 13, 2005 11:22:27 GMT -5
That goes to show you these Recruiting sites don't know squat. The Best coaches/recruiters spot the best talent that can succeed on the court with or without press clippings or so-called "insiders/gurus" analysis. Have you seen him play or are you projecting that he's a good player? |
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Post by Nitrorebel on Apr 13, 2005 11:30:24 GMT -5
That goes to show you these Recruiting sites don't know squat. The Best coaches/recruiters spot the best talent that can succeed on the court with or without press clippings or so-called "insiders/gurus" analysis. That's just nonsense. Since most gurus are finite human beings, it is impossible for them to see the 10s of 1000s of HS players around the country. So they concentrate their efforts on the AAU season, and the big HS tournaments, and throw in big games involving an Oak Hill. They also rely on their connections to coaches and scouts around the country for info. When a guy like Jeff Green doesn't play AAU and doesn't play for a DeMatha or Oak Hill, the probability of his being seen by the gurus is low to none. That's nothing they need to be ashamed about. Look at consensus rankings from year's past. A large percentage of players do end up living up to their rankings, with a few guys playing way better than expected, and a few ending up as busts. Look at All-BE, All-American teams: almost all the players were ranked highly by those same gurus you disparage. I'm also very critical of some rankings, but for the most part, these guys are very good at assessing talent. There's no way they can see everyone. Anyway, sorry for the diatribe. Let's stick to Marvin Williams. He sounds like a very interesting player with skills suited to our offense. |
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 13, 2005 12:51:54 GMT -5
I am excited by this prospect, Williams, he seems to have everything our offense needs. Do we know just how seriously he is considering Gtown over the other schools mentioned in the article? I am not bothered by his size at all, in our offense a versatile 6'7" will be much higher valued than a slow footed 6'10" guy.
I agree that the recruiting scouts just cannot possibly cover everyone, especially when the player misses AAU ball or the high profile camps. However, this program seems to be a power in FL so why no one knew about him is pretty embarassing. An all-state player in such a large state like FL is big-time.
I have only one question about this kid based on nothing more than what has been written - is he a contributor or a leader? I think we have plenty of contributors, but we do need guys who will take the last shot and motivate teammates. Given he was not the first option on a team his whole career, I wonder if his physical gifts carrying him rather than a competitive drive necessary in big time D1 ball.
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Post by the_way on Apr 13, 2005 12:54:47 GMT -5
I am excited by this prospect, Williams, he seems to have everything our offense needs. Do we know just how seriously he is considering Gtown over the other schools mentioned in the article? I am not bothered by his size at all, in our offense a versatile 6'7" will be much higher valued than a slow footed 6'10" guy. I agree that the recruiting scouts just cannot possibly cover everyone, especially when the player misses AAU ball or the high profile camps. However, this program seems to be a power in FL so why no one knew about him is pretty embarassing. An all-state player in such a large state like FL is big-time. I have only one question about this kid based on nothing more than what has been written - is he a contributor or a leader? I think we have plenty of contributors, but we do need guys who will take the last shot and motivate teammates. Given he was not the first option on a team his whole career, I wonder if his physical gifts carrying him rather than a competitive drive necessary in big time D1 ball. Well it remains to be seen. Bowman and Cook were not the 1st or 2nd or even 3rd option on their high school team, but they have taken or made clutch shots during their time at GU. It seems like the kid has a good attitude from has been reported. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 13, 2005 13:33:14 GMT -5
At least Jeff was on the Rivals sites. I can't believe a first team all stater isn't does not even have a profile on those sites. I mean even pawdunk 5'11'' crap ballers have profiles on those things. If he is all-state in FL then something is good about him. It probably means something, but bear in mind that FL has 6 teams of "first team" all staters. 1A FL State Men's first team 2A FL State Men's first team 3A FL State Men's first team 4A FL State Men's first team 5A FL State Men's first team 6A FL State Men's first team It's fine to get excited about another possible recruit, but we really have no idea how good he is. Some of the posts in this thread are incredibly optimisitic, especially considering that some of these same posters doubt that Marc Egerson -- 6'6, 2 time Del State POY -- can be a significant addition to our frontcourt. Or check out the following, How would you like to get this recruit: "Can play both small forward and shooting guard...has the strength to become a very good rebounder...excellent three point shooter. Averaged 25 points, 10 rebounds and 6 steals...high school team went 30-1 and were Virginia State Group AA Champions under the winningest coach in state history...Virginia State AA Co-Player of the Year...scored over 2000 points and had over 1000 rebounds during high school career." Do you think the above recruit can rebound? Is that someone you'd like to see on GU? Do we think he could help us? Good for the Princeton offense? Guess what... he's already here. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 13, 2005 14:05:13 GMT -5
That's just nonsense. Since most gurus are finite human beings, it is impossible for them to see the 10s of 1000s of HS players around the country. So they concentrate their efforts on the AAU season, and the big HS tournaments, and throw in big games involving an Oak Hill. They also rely on their connections to coaches and scouts around the country for info. When a guy like Jeff Green doesn't play AAU and doesn't play for a DeMatha or Oak Hill, the probability of his being seen by the gurus is low to none. You are right on the money nitro. And I'd add that Jeff was very highly regarded locally -- by the media in DC/Balto that follows local hoops. He was co-POY with Rudy wasn't he? and first team all met etc? Point is, those who saw him realized how good he was. But since he wasn't at the AAU summer camps, those guys didn't get to see him. It would be different if he were there and they missed how much talent he has. The evaluators are not infallible, and there are tons of additional reasons why a HS kid succeeds or not in college --chemistry (not the class!), homesickness, injuries, relationship to coach and other players, quickness and size of college vs. HS players, etc. Our most highly regarded recruit last year was Cornelio. On a national basis, Jeff was not. So look what happened. But the norm is for the higher rated kids to play close to expectations. Still, if we can steal one because M. Williams turns out to be a hidden gem... WOW that would be fantastic. But it is not wise to raise expectations on what we know so far. |
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Post by nychoya3 on Apr 13, 2005 14:15:59 GMT -5
It's very simple SirSaxa. If he comes to GU, he's a steal. If he goes elsewhere, we dodged a bullet because he sucks anyway. See, doesn't that make sense?  If he's really 6'7'' and he can really do a little of everything, then awesome. You can never have enough guys like that, and that goes double for the Princeton offense. |
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Post by bmartin on Apr 13, 2005 16:05:53 GMT -5
That's just nonsense. Since most gurus are finite human beings, it is impossible for them to see the 10s of 1000s of HS players around the country. So they concentrate their efforts on the AAU season, and the big HS tournaments, and throw in big games involving an Oak Hill. They also rely on their connections to coaches and scouts around the country for info. That's why it is stupid to rank recruits. I can see rating players as five, four, three, two, one star recruits, but unless you assume that the players you have seen are necessarily better than the players you haven't seen, how can you rank the class? |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 13, 2005 16:12:04 GMT -5
Is it just me, or is there a lot of excitement surrounding a kid who is most likely our fifth best recruit out of our class of five?
If JTIII picks him up, that's great. He might be an "unknown quantity" but I'd bet he's not better than "decidedly known quantity" Octavius Spann.
If he fits the system, sweet. But unless he shocks the world as a freshman, he's right now hanging out with Sead on the depth chart.
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Post by Healy on Apr 13, 2005 16:25:40 GMT -5
If he is all-state in FL then something is good about him. Ryan Beal was, I think, 2nd team Florida all-state. Doesn't mean much. We'll see if he can play if and when he gets here. |
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