BurgerMadness
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Post by BurgerMadness on Nov 27, 2014 0:23:52 GMT -5
That losers side of the B4A bracket is ridiculous. AXS may attain their best all-time rating if there's a UNC-UF 5th place game. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.......
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Nov 27, 2014 0:25:31 GMT -5
Great Win. Just very satisfying. So many contributions. DSR a cold blooded scorer for sure. One thing that struck me,however, was how athletic the team is now. I actually felt the Hoyas were not only better than Fla but possibly more athletic, as well. White and Peak can actually elevate over their man and still make a three. They can defend and handle. Tre will be as quick as most any pg we face. An awful lot to like.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 27, 2014 0:26:08 GMT -5
Gutty win. DSR picked this team on his shoulders down the stretch in regulation, but there were contributions from a host of players. As this season goes on, and Florida gets healthier, this win will look even bigger; the Gators will be a handful, and will make a long run in the tournament. And they won't be able to discount the win because Carter and Finney-Smith played the whole game eventhough they said they would not.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 27, 2014 0:26:25 GMT -5
We don't need no stinkin' badgers!
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 27, 2014 0:26:58 GMT -5
Come on, hops! He bit the fake. They spread the floor and went right at him. He made plays late in this game, though.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 27, 2014 0:28:36 GMT -5
That's a win we would have never sniffed last year without our current depth, which includes guys who don't play scared. White and Peak both seemed completely unfazed by the situation and opponent and were unbelievable down the stretch (don't forget the huge Peak defensive play in OT too). Paul is the zone-buster that Nate and Moses never could be, and it completely changes our offense.
Thought Josh's first flagrant was warranted. Second wasn't; Kurtz jumped beneath him right as he was catching the entry pass. The offensive player has the right to establish a position if he's coming back to the ground. I know they have the rules for player safety issues but for chrissakes, you have to allow post players to make post moves.
Hop had the most Hop-like game of all time. After all the good and bad plays, I still can't tell if he was a net positive or negative. I guess that's a good thing overall, though.
Hopefully the DSR we get tomorrow is the one that played the last 5 minutes of regulation and OT. He willed us to victory down the stretch with his offense, but he can't be a no-show for 35 minutes tomorrow for us to have any chance of pulling it off.
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Post by centercourt400s on Nov 27, 2014 0:29:04 GMT -5
Love this team. It really shows the upgrade in talent level the freshman brought this season that the team could hang in there with a talented opponent despite the sloppy play. Then to pull it out at the end with huge shots from White and Peak an the dagger from DSR... can't ask for more at this point in the season.
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Nov 27, 2014 0:31:49 GMT -5
Loved seeing DSR get aggressive down the stretch after struggling all day, and his midrange make probably saved the game at the time.
Does anyone else think that we might be better off going REAL SMALL with Tre at point, DSR at the 2, and whomever else in the frontcourt? I'd take a combo of any two of JT, PW, LJP, and AB, with MH only being relied on to block shots.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 27, 2014 0:33:31 GMT -5
Thought Josh's first flagrant was warranted. Second wasn't; Kurtz jumped beneath him right as he was catching the entry pass. The offensive player has the right to establish a position if he's coming back to the ground. I know they have the rules for player safety issues but for chrissakes, you have to allow post players to make post moves. This.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 27, 2014 0:35:44 GMT -5
Does anyone else think that we might be better off going REAL SMALL with Tre at point, DSR at the 2, and whomever else in the frontcourt? I'd take a combo of any two of JT, PW, LJP, and AB, with MH only being relied on to block shots. No. Tre makes us small which effects us defensively and with rebounds and DSR at the 2 decreases Trawick/Peak/AB's overall minutes.
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wnyhoya
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Post by wnyhoya on Nov 27, 2014 0:35:49 GMT -5
As already stated a huge and crucial win. This one would have stung to lose. DSR taking over and showing why he's our leader even though he struggled the whole game. Paul and LJ...those were big-time shots most freshmen don't even want to take let alone make. So much more athletic this year and that athleticism will keep translating to better basketball as the year progresses. Let's go beat Wisconsin! Hoya Saxa!!!
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 27, 2014 0:38:58 GMT -5
LJP and White led us in mins with 35!
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Post by gahoya on Nov 27, 2014 0:39:08 GMT -5
That's a win we would have never sniffed last year without our current depth, which includes guys who don't play scared. White and Peak both seemed completely unfazed by the situation and opponent and were unbelievable down the stretch (don't forget the huge Peak defensive play in OT too). Paul is the zone-buster that Nate and Moses never could be, and it completely changes our offense. Thought Josh's first flagrant was warranted. Second wasn't; Kurtz jumped beneath him right as he was catching the entry pass. The offensive player has the right to establish a position if he's coming back to the ground. I know they have the rules for player safety issues but for chrissakes, you have to allow post players to make post moves. Hop had the most Hop-like game of all time. After all the good and bad plays, I still can't tell if he was a net positive or negative. I guess that's a good thing overall, though. Hopefully the DSR we get tomorrow is the one that played the last 5 minutes of regulation and OT. He willed us to victory down the stretch with his offense, but he can't be a no-show for 35 minutes tomorrow for us to have any chance of pulling it off. Actually agree on all accounts with you. A game we would normally never come close to win given that DSR did essentially nothing until he almost literally swung his dick at the UF defense with five seconds left. Josh should've dominated more, and I'm disappointed he didn't take advantage of the matchup. He should've taken care of a huge amount of the rebounding problem, which wouldn't have made overtime an option. Agree with Hop - made a bunch of random odd plays, including the great offensive rebound and put back he had towards the end which was awesome. Aside from that, ...what the hell? I have no idea how he played? And imagine the DSR we had last year on this team just drilling shots like his last one with some sort of regularity. Damn. Biggest complaint - Copeland. Get it together dude. I missed the first few minutes - did he play?
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BurgerMadness
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Post by BurgerMadness on Nov 27, 2014 0:39:10 GMT -5
What's the Big East's record now vs non-con opponents?
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Nov 27, 2014 0:41:19 GMT -5
Thought Josh's first flagrant was warranted. Second wasn't; Kurtz jumped beneath him right as he was catching the entry pass. The offensive player has the right to establish a position if he's coming back to the ground. I know they have the rules for player safety issues but for chrissakes, you have to allow post players to make post moves. This. I take issue even with the application of the rule on his first foul. It's preposterous to allow a defender to not allow a player to turn around when he possesses the ball. If they want to prevent players getting an elbow in the head, then there should be an equivalent of the principle of verticality (call it the "Cylinder of Elbows"), whereby if a player invades the space of a ballhandler with his head and gets popped, then THE DEFENDER gets called for putting himself in danger.
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gahoya
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Post by gahoya on Nov 27, 2014 0:42:30 GMT -5
What's the Big East's record now vs non-con opponents? I believe 38-2.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Nov 27, 2014 0:44:16 GMT -5
Hop looking much better. Especially on D. Playing with house money now. Not to be a wet blanket, we aren't playing with anything close to "House Money" right now. Losing out in the Bahamas would be a bad thing. We have precious few chances for any more high quality OOC wins - IU has been defrocked, and even Kansas has taken a historic whipping this year. Winning tomorrow would give us a bit of breathing room, but it's a long season. Have you seen what the Big East as a whole has been doing this week? The way it's going, we're going to be playing in a top three conference. If quality games are what you want, we'll get PLENTY of them. 2 apiece against Nova, Butler, St. John's, Creighton, Xavier, all of whom have knocked off national teams.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 27, 2014 0:47:11 GMT -5
I take issue even with the application of the rule on his first foul. It's preposterous to allow a defender to not allow a player to turn around when he possesses the ball. If they want to prevent players getting an elbow in the head, then there should be an equivalent of the principle of verticality (call it the "Cylinder of Elbows"), whereby if a player invades the space of a ballhandler with his head and gets popped, then THE DEFENDER gets called for putting himself in danger. Completely agree. It's the rule that sucks. Big men have been taught what Josh did since the beginning of time. And now they can't do that just because defenders who play defense by leading with their face (like idiots) might get hurt. My beef with the 2nd flagrant was that Josh should have never been in a position to get the flagrant. Kurtz should have been immediately called for a foul because he undercut Josh. Problem is Josh is just too damn big for Kurtz, so he doesn't fall or lose his balance like most people would have, so the foul isn't obvious. Blow the whistle when the first foul occurs, and the elbow to the face never happens.
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Nov 27, 2014 0:48:31 GMT -5
Does anyone else think that we might be better off going REAL SMALL with Tre at point, DSR at the 2, and whomever else in the frontcourt? I'd take a combo of any two of JT, PW, LJP, and AB, with MH only being relied on to block shots. No. Tre makes us small which effects us defensively and with rebounds and DSR at the 2 decreases Trawick/Peak/AB's overall minutes. Really? Tre is our best on the ball defender, and it allows DSR guard the opponent's two, which gives him a break. As for rebounding, I am not sure size helps us there - Josh & Hops cant d-rebound to save their lives. Trawick / Bowen / Peak are all big enough to play the 3. And our small lineup saved the game tonight. Just saying.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 27, 2014 0:48:41 GMT -5
As usual followed the game via various scoreboards and got the real story by reading this thread. Great hang-on win for the Hoyas. It should be an interesting game vs Wisco.
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