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Post by hoyainla on Nov 27, 2014 0:49:57 GMT -5
Josh's first flagrant was correctly called although the rule is atrocious. The second one his big ass bicep hit the guy in the face which is not a flagrant.
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 27, 2014 0:50:58 GMT -5
Not to be a wet blanket, we aren't playing with anything close to "House Money" right now. Losing out in the Bahamas would be a bad thing. We have precious few chances for any more high quality OOC wins - IU has been defrocked, and even Kansas has taken a historic whipping this year. Winning tomorrow would give us a bit of breathing room, but it's a long season. Have you seen what the Big East as a whole has been doing this week? The way it's going, we're going to be playing in a top three conference. If quality games are what you want, we'll get PLENTY of them. 2 apiece against Nova, Butler, St. John's, Creighton, Xavier, all of whom have knocked off national teams. Agreed -- the problem before the season started was that many thought the BE wouldn't be so strong in conference, so the wins outside the conference would be premium, but the conference has helped itself by double with the great collective start -- wins against ranked teams, and not just from a Power 3 or 4, but from a broad base, so that the conference wins will also be better respected. Really critical to do it this year, and the conference teams have responded, and with recruiting still seeming strong for the Big East, this is something that can be built upon. Gotta finish these tourneys strong and then show well in the post-season, but this has been a great start for the Big East, and I'm very happy to see it.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 27, 2014 0:51:10 GMT -5
That's a win we would have never sniffed last year without our current depth, which includes guys who don't play scared. White and Peak both seemed completely unfazed by the situation and opponent and were unbelievable down the stretch (don't forget the huge Peak defensive play in OT too). Paul is the zone-buster that Nate and Moses never could be, and it completely changes our offense. Thought Josh's first flagrant was warranted. Second wasn't; Kurtz jumped beneath him right as he was catching the entry pass. The offensive player has the right to establish a position if he's coming back to the ground. I know they have the rules for player safety issues but for chrissakes, you have to allow post players to make post moves. Hop had the most Hop-like game of all time. After all the good and bad plays, I still can't tell if he was a net positive or negative. I guess that's a good thing overall, though. Hopefully the DSR we get tomorrow is the one that played the last 5 minutes of regulation and OT. He willed us to victory down the stretch with his offense, but he can't be a no-show for 35 minutes tomorrow for us to have any chance of pulling it off. Actually agree on all accounts with you. A game we would normally never come close to win given that DSR did essentially nothing until he almost literally swung his dick at the UF defense with five seconds left. Josh should've dominated more, and I'm disappointed he didn't take advantage of the matchup. He should've taken care of a huge amount of the rebounding problem, which wouldn't have made overtime an option. Agree with Hop - made a bunch of random odd plays, including the great offensive rebound and put back he had towards the end which was awesome. Aside from that, ...what the hell? I have no idea how he played? And imagine the DSR we had last year on this team just drilling shots like his last one with some sort of regularity. Damn. Biggest complaint - Copeland. Get it together dude. I missed the first few minutes - did he play? Copeland played. Much like he has looked in the first 3 games, he appeared timid and had the deer-in-the-headlights look. Coach was right in not putting him back in after that. Hopefully he can get some more minutes against lesser opponents, but I doubt we'll see him much for the remainder of this tourney or Kansas. He simply isn't ready. I think the rotation you saw tonight is pretty much what it's going to be moving forward. No Hayes (for obvious reasons), Copeland won't get meaningful minutes until ready, and Cameron will be used if we get into foul trouble. The beauty is depending on who is in foul trouble (a guard or a big), we can put Cameron in and go small/big accordingly. Depth and flexibility is a huge asset this year.
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Post by charlietao on Nov 27, 2014 0:51:30 GMT -5
Now we bring the unfinished game two years ago to an end!!! Great win!
With such a huge body size like Josh, waving elbow is very easily getting him offensive (or even flagrant) foul like today. He needs to stay low a little when receiving the ball and use his shoulders instead of elbows to fight the defense player.
Excited to see the substantial contribution from freshmen except for Copeland. Feel that he's got a little lost on the court for the first four games...
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Post by MrDouglass on Nov 27, 2014 0:52:11 GMT -5
Fantastic Win. According to the Battle 4 Atlantis site, we will be on ESPN from here on out. So will Butler. I love that ESPN will be forced to show the Big East. They weren't even listing the Gtown score on the ticker earlier in the evening. They can't keep us down!!!
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Post by WVHoyasfan on Nov 27, 2014 0:56:27 GMT -5
I LOVE IT!!!
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 27, 2014 1:00:26 GMT -5
What's the Big East's record now vs non-con opponents? I believe 38-2. 38-3 - DePaul lost.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Nov 27, 2014 1:01:27 GMT -5
Copeland did not play, which is really scary when you think of where this team maybe at the end of the year. It's obvious that Copelland has not got the defense down pat yet, so in a game like tonight III could not afford tolay him.. White had an overall good game but he too hot lost several times in the defensive sets that resulted in easy baskets by the Gators. When Copeland gets the defense down pat he will again be one of the first off the bench because the kid is super talented. More worrisome is Cameron. He has to hit more threes than 1 out of seven like the lady two games or he is useless. He must still be ahead of Copeland in knowing the defense, because he brought little offensively tonight yet III used him over Copeland. Again though by conference time Copeland and White will be on the floor a lot together.
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Post by lucky on Nov 27, 2014 1:04:48 GMT -5
I heard many Wisconsin fans celebrating the Georgetown victory on the walk back to our room. I think they are happy not to be playing Florida, that the the Hoyas will be a cakewalk. I beg to differ. I think Wisconsin is going to have a very hard time with GU in round 2.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 27, 2014 1:05:51 GMT -5
Some significant stats: White 1 foul in 35 minutes; Peak 2 in 35 minutes.
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Post by gahoya on Nov 27, 2014 1:06:36 GMT -5
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Post by gahoya on Nov 27, 2014 1:08:30 GMT -5
Copeland did not play, which is really scary when you think of where this team maybe at the end of the year. It's obvious that Copelland has not got the defense down pat yet, so in a game like tonight III could not afford tolay him.. White had an overall good game but he too hot lost several times in the defensive sets that resulted in easy baskets by the Gators. When Copeland gets the defense down pat he will again be one of the first off the bench because the kid is super talented. More worrisome is Cameron. He has to hit more threes than 1 out of seven like the lady two games or he is useless. He must still be ahead of Copeland in knowing the defense, because he brought little offensively tonight yet III used him over Copeland. Again though by conference time Copeland and White will be on the floor a lot together. Which is why it is all so aggravating. Last year, having Bowen in was not much fun. This year, Bowen improved, and Copeland has shown nothing. It is now inexcusable to have Cope in over Bowen. I hope this changes as Copeland could and most likely will be awesome, but it'd be nice to speed it all up.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 27, 2014 1:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 27, 2014 1:12:29 GMT -5
Some significant stats: White 1 foul in 35 minutes; Peak 2 in 35 minutes. Excellent point. We're starting to also rid ourselves of guys who can't help but foul all the time for guys who are smart enough to avoid them. Those 6-8 free throws (sometimes even more) the other team doesn't see just because we have players who can stay disciplined make a huge difference. Tonight was a great example.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 27, 2014 1:25:59 GMT -5
We are still a work n progress, but I think tonight we got a climpse of the future. People, believe me when I say, this team was built--and is being built--for success. DSR maintained his composure; Peak and White came up huge. Most importantly we have options. It is not manditory for our "star" player, or players, to play well, necessarily to pull out the win. Flrida was a tough opponent. They really wanted this one. Yet we wrestled it away from them even though the threes were not falling and Josh had a bad night.
We should all be very proud of this team. Until tomorrow, Hoyas. Great win!
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 27, 2014 1:38:48 GMT -5
No. Tre makes us small which effects us defensively and with rebounds and DSR at the 2 decreases Trawick/Peak/AB's overall minutes. Really? Tre is our best on the ball defender, and it allows DSR guard the opponent's two, which gives him a break. As for rebounding, I am not sure size helps us there - Josh & Hops cant d-rebound to save their lives. Trawick / Bowen / Peak are all big enough to play the 3. And our small lineup saved the game tonight. Just saying. No it didn't. Most of the lineups did not include Tre Campbell. Campbell only played 13 minutes which is about right for him. We were still big in the back court with our "small" lineup. Assuming you want DSR playing 35-40 minutes (barring foul trouble). Then Playing Tre at the 1 forces Trawick/Peak/Bowen to split all their minutes at small forward. Essentially getting only 17 minutes from Peak, 17 minutes from Trawick and 5 minutes from Bowen. You want about 30+ minutes from Peak, 30+ minutes from Trawick and maybe 15 minutes from Bowen. The only way to do that is to play DSR at the point. If you gave me the choice between Peak and Trawick or Tre Campbell I will take Peak and Trawick every time.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 27, 2014 1:56:05 GMT -5
As someone who was unable to watch the game can someone tell me if the Hoyas' pace was the result of Florida slowing the game down or III doing that himself? With five Hoyas playing over 30 minutes I'm thinking it was the latter and that III fell into his old comfort zone of a orchestrating a deliberate game with a shorter rotation of players. That shorter rotation may bite us in the *** considering our team is not only not-rested but will have to play a much earlier game the next day against an elite team.
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 27, 2014 1:57:19 GMT -5
As someone who was unable to watch the game can someone tell me if the Hoyas' pace was the result of Florida slowing the game down or III doing that himself? With five Hoyas playing over 30 minutes I'm thinking it was the latter and that III fell into his old comfort zone of a orchestrating a deliberate game with a shorter rotation of players. That shorter rotation may bite us in the *** considering our team is not only not-rested but will have to play a much earlier game the next day against an elite team. From listening to the game, it sounded more like the pace wasn't that slow, it just that there were lots of misses. Interested to hear what people who watched the game thought as well, MCI.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Nov 27, 2014 2:18:40 GMT -5
Really? Tre is our best on the ball defender, and it allows DSR guard the opponent's two, which gives him a break. As for rebounding, I am not sure size helps us there - Josh & Hops cant d-rebound to save their lives. Trawick / Bowen / Peak are all big enough to play the 3. And our small lineup saved the game tonight. Just saying. No it didn't. Most of the lineups did not include Tre Campbell. Campbell only played 13 minutes which is about right for him. We were still big in the back court with our "small" lineup. Assuming you want DSR playing 35-40 minutes (barring foul trouble). Then Playing Tre at the 1 forces Trawick/Peak/Bowen to split all their minutes at small forward. Essentially getting only 17 minutes from Peak, 17 minutes from Trawick and 5 minutes from Bowen. You want about 30+ minutes from Peak, 30+ minutes from Trawick and maybe 15 minutes from Bowen. The only way to do that is to play DSR at the point. If you gave me the choice between Peak and Trawick or Tre Campbell I will take Peak and Trawick every time. Fair point. But what I was saying is that I would welcome a TC, DSR, LJP, JT perimeter lineup with either Josh or MH in the middle. I think it would scare the crap out of defenses.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 27, 2014 2:27:56 GMT -5
No it didn't. Most of the lineups did not include Tre Campbell. Campbell only played 13 minutes which is about right for him. We were still big in the back court with our "small" lineup. Assuming you want DSR playing 35-40 minutes (barring foul trouble). Then Playing Tre at the 1 forces Trawick/Peak/Bowen to split all their minutes at small forward. Essentially getting only 17 minutes from Peak, 17 minutes from Trawick and 5 minutes from Bowen. You want about 30+ minutes from Peak, 30+ minutes from Trawick and maybe 15 minutes from Bowen. The only way to do that is to play DSR at the point. If you gave me the choice between Peak and Trawick or Tre Campbell I will take Peak and Trawick every time. Fair point. But what I was saying is that I would welcome a TC, DSR, LJP, JT perimeter lineup with either Josh or MH in the middle. I think it would scare the crap out of defenses. That lineup on top of being small at each position would get killed at the power forward spot by even a serviceable 6-9 power forward because you are essentially trying to play Peak or Trawick at power forward. There's no reason to do that and play small ball just to accommodate Tre Campbell.
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