hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 18, 2014 21:41:17 GMT -5
I just wish Hopkins would stop turning it over when he puts it on the floor. And stop getting stuffed!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 18, 2014 21:51:54 GMT -5
The crowd was pathetic.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Nov 18, 2014 21:53:47 GMT -5
Hooper w/a pretty decent game & folks still nitpick.. He did have a good game. Very active, some blocks, some rebounds, and some scoring to boot. He gets blocked a lot by smaller guys and he sometimes has boneheaded turnovers. That's just who he is, and you have to take the bad with the kid. Really liked what he brought to the table out there today. Agree with this... to an extent. Getting stuffed inside is something that's just going to happen, especially against stronger/bigger competition. He is what he is athletically at this point and we're not getting past that. What I'd like to see is him cutting down on some of the really boneheaded mistakes that are mental. You can throw picking up cheap silly fouls under this category. Also, if he could just eliminate those lazy passes from the post back out to the perimeter or not put himself in a bad position to get double teamed and trapped after picking up the dribble, it would do him wonders. Those are things he can correct. That being said, he has been decent defensively and on the boards thus far. It's those small little mental mistakes that keep his decent minutes from being solidly above average minutes.
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Post by centercourt400s on Nov 18, 2014 21:56:28 GMT -5
The crowd lame local fans who chose not to attend the game in person were pathetic. I really appreciate those who showed up and cheered for the Hoyas however.Fixed it for you.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 18, 2014 22:04:43 GMT -5
Not that San Francisco would ever have this problem but to be fair, it's extremely cold today. One of the coldest days so far this fall.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 18, 2014 22:06:51 GMT -5
I just wish Hopkins would stop turning it over when he puts it on the floor. And stop getting stuffed! Computer AI Hopkins will do inexplicable things like get blocked by the rim, miss layups, run to the corner and throw the ball out of bounds. Player controlled Hopkins will swat shots, draw fouls, grab boards and make reverse layups.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 18, 2014 22:08:06 GMT -5
The crowd lame local fans who chose not to attend the game in person were pathetic. I really appreciate those who showed up and cheered for the Hoyas however.Fixed it for you. Yeah, that's what I meant. Attendance was dismal.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 18, 2014 22:19:17 GMT -5
the crowd WAS pathetic; sigh... I think the center position defensively is a weak spot. rebounding as well. too many easy bunnies 1st 2 games. i'm sure coach knows this. but hoyas will have a tough go if they don't sure it up. that said, was encouraged by the mental toughness.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 18, 2014 22:27:19 GMT -5
We killed them on the boards tonight, 39-23. 18-9 on the O boards, 21-14 on the D.
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Post by navio on Nov 18, 2014 22:45:13 GMT -5
Can somebody tell me why Isaac and Paul only combined for 3 total FG attempts???
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 18, 2014 23:11:17 GMT -5
Can somebody tell me why Isaac and Paul only combined for 3 total FG attempts??? The same reason DSR had 4, really. We focused on tossing it in down low, and went to the line a lot (which reduces FG attempts). Aside from the bigs, and Peak, who drove a lot, the other shots mostly went to Bowen and Jabril almost exclusively on the break or secondary break. We took good shots in general, just committed a few too many turnovers. We couldn't run as much and TAMUCC was definitely trying to slow it down. The result of all of that and a 11-man rotation is that a player like White or Copeland isn't getting a lot of shots.
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Post by chep3 on Nov 18, 2014 23:28:11 GMT -5
When was the last time that we were in a tough first half, and our answer was to speed the game up?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 18, 2014 23:35:05 GMT -5
".More importantly, as importantly, we want to get out and we want to run, but to do that we have to get stops and we have to get rebounds. It's great to say, "hey let's run, let's push it," but you can't if you're giving up second shots and third shots."
"We have one of these teams this year where who knows what the combination is going to be. We have eight, nine, 10, 11 players that we can put out there that I'm comfortable with and they're comfortable with each other. "
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 18, 2014 23:49:39 GMT -5
When was the last time that we were in a tough first half, and our answer was to speed the game up? Our answer was to play defense. It's hard to run when you are giving up buckets. Massive kudos to Bowen and his five steals and Josh for his battling on the boards. Obviously the big differences in the game.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 19, 2014 0:22:41 GMT -5
More kudos to Bowen as I re-watch. He generated so much of his own offense -- steals and grabbing offensive boards. These weren't points generated by others and he just finished -- he generated the possession and generally finished it off.
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 19, 2014 0:50:29 GMT -5
Box score says 4,887 in attendance. I don't care whether its in a damn blizzard (and I have been to a Hoyas game in one--granted against a much better team), that is a big time failing by the athletic department. I suppose part of it is the team's performance last year, but even in the waning Esherick years I don't remember crowds that low. Kudos to the Stonewalls, those guys are doing their darndest to keep some level of atmosphere. But whatever has been done to attract the rank and file to come out regularly is failing miserably.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Nov 19, 2014 4:39:06 GMT -5
Eh, I wouldn't read too much into attendance tonight. I was anticipating a small crowd for a Tuesday night against a college I didn't know existed until recently. I think this is a game that really should have been played in McDonough.
It reminded me a lot of the High Point game last year, which apparently was on Thursday, December 5, and only attracted 4,676. Is it disappointing? Of course. Is it somewhat expected for an academic school of ~6,000 undergrads in a 20,000-seat NBA arena in a major city for a program coming off an NIT appearance that hasn't made it past the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament in 7 years? My heart says no, that we're better than that, but my mind says yes, it's basically true.
One thing the athletic department really needs to do (and I've been harping on this for years) is create incentives to attend games like this, especially with the students. You want front row seats to the Villanova game? Sorry, those are reserved for those who made it out to the Corpus Christi game. You should have gone.
Thankfully, that's our last "cupcake" weekday game of the non-conference schedule, the rest of our home games in 2014 are on weekends, except for Kansas on Wednesday, December 10. I would expect crowds in the 7-9K range for the rest of the weekend games, with 12K+ for Kansas. We did surpass the attendance of our 2013-14 season opener, 7,854 to 7,350. The thing was, this year's home season opener was on a Saturday, last year's was on a Wednesday.
I think this will fix itself, provided the team keeps winning. I think the biggest problem is that our multiple NCAA Tournament flameouts from 2010-2013 really crushed the energy that JT3's teams created from 2006-08. I thought 2013 was finally the year that we were going to get over the hump, we had a star (Otto Porter), and we won the Big East regular season title, with two emotional victories over 'Cuse along the way. That's why I think the FGCU loss to this day still hurts so much, because unfortunately it basically erased all the great successes and momentum of that regular season in the minds of many fans.
So I am hoping the team goes on a nice winning streak and gets itself back into the top 25 at some point this season, as that would only help matters. In the meantime, kudos to the Stonewalls, students, and fans who make it out to games like this and try to create a fun, festive, collegiate atmosphere at a cavernous arena that is entirely too large for a school of our size. Maryland would have a hard time drawing fans to a game like tonight's.
For reference, here are the attendance stats for the 2013-14 non-conference slate, and what we have for 2014-15 so far.
Wednesday, November 13, 2013, vs. Wright State: 7,350 Saturday, November 30, 2013, vs. Lipscomb: 8,165 Thursday, December 5, 2013, vs. High Point: 4,676 Saturday, December 7, 2013, vs. Colgate: 7,966 Tuesday, December 17, 2013, vs. Elon: 7,586 Saturday, December 28, 2013, vs. FIU: 7,824
2013-14 non-conference home attendance average: 7,261
Saturday, November 15, 2014, vs. St. Francis Brooklyn: 7,854 Tuesday, November 18, 2014, vs. Texas A&M-Corpus Christi: 4,887 Saturday, November 22, 2014, vs. Robert Morris: ? Sunday, December 7, 2014, vs. Towson: ? Wednesday, December 10, 2014, vs. Kansas: ? Saturday, December 13, 2014, vs. Radford: ? Saturday, December 20, 2014, vs. Charlotte: ?
2014-15 non-conference home attendance average: 6,370 through 2 games, but should go up.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Nov 19, 2014 6:39:23 GMT -5
When was the last time that we were in a tough first half, and our answer was to speed the game up? Our answer was to play defense. It's hard to run when you are giving up buckets. Massive kudos to Bowen and his five steals and Josh for his battling on the boards. Obviously the big differences in the game. One reason I'm optimistic that this team will eventually not have to be read the riot act to play defense all 40 minutes is that their senior leader is Bowen. Past the first half defense, it really is amazing how one skill/mental approach of one player could make a huge difference for this team. If Hopkins just keeps the ball high and doesn't bring the ball to waist level or try to dribble, his shooting goes up and turnovers go down. Correcting that one habit for one player might make the Hoyas a top 15 team. The good news is, I think we are that close to being very good.
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Post by richfame on Nov 19, 2014 7:49:39 GMT -5
I didn't get to see any pre season stuff or the first game so this was my first look at the hoyas this year and I have to say I'm very pleased at the look at this years team. My early thoughts:
Addition by subtraction- getting rid of the dead weight of lubic, Moses, and Domingo makes us better. Moses and Lube were so plodding and slowed us down.
The new blood is exciting. Peak is a star, explosive and dynamic I haven't been this excited since AI. Although I haven't seen much if cope and tre and white it seems like they can play and will contribute once they get comfortable in the college game.
I like our depth, and inside outside threat of dsr and smith.
Lastly I think hopper can have a solid year. Kid has all the tools just needs to be confident and put it together.
Should be a fun year and really set up next season and the season after to make some nice runs in the tournament.
Just forget about this year. Kentucky may not lose all season ha.
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Post by Jack on Nov 19, 2014 9:28:20 GMT -5
Am I remembering correctly that people thought Willis Wilson was a hot name to replace Esherick back in 2005? I guess he would have been a better choice than Bobby Gonzalez, but it sure seems like Frank Rienzo and Jim Higgins did pretty well to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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